Because this isn't a situation where Romulans and Andorians gained ridges from better makeup or Tellarites got shorter and slightly more piglike. This is going from humanoid cat people to people with a tail and pointed ears. They don't even have fur. Only two other races have undergone such a radical change: Klingons and Trill. In both cases the vastly different versions are clarified in canon to be the same races.
So unless some on-screen mention is made of a Caitian augment virus or the humans with odd ears and a tail are called Caitians on-screen they remain an unnamed race that resembles a normal human with pointed ears and a tail.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
(...)
So unless some on-screen mention is made of a Caitian augment virus or the humans with odd ears and a tail are called Caitians on-screen they remain an unnamed race that resembles a normal human with pointed ears and a tail.
That I can accept, but for me even if it's about JJ-Trek, please no forced "explanation" why costumes are different. The "augment" schmu of ENT I almost hate as much as the big Borg debacle of FC and beyond
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I support the request for female Nausicaan, because I think they'd sell. I honestly don't see a female Lethean doing that well on the market though, and female Gorn - how would you even distinguish that? What is/does a female Gorn even look like? You can't exactly just go ahead and strap bigger TRIBBLE to the Gorn model and give it long hair, cause that just wouldn't look right.
I'd think female Gorn would not turn a profit, alike female Lethean. Again though, fully supporting female Nausicaan. I think we'd do well to have them.
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I'd think female Gorn would not turn a profit, alike female Lethean. Again though, fully supporting female Nausicaan. I think we'd do well to have them.
At least I personally couldn't care less if anything "turns a profit" for Cryptic, I just ask for them to do a complete job and not half-TRIBBLE things. They can see for themselves where they get their profits.
Not directly aimed at you, but I am tired of seeing people adding "you can sell me this for big moneyz!" to each suggestion thread because they think that somehow nobody at Cryptic/PWEs thinks about how to monetize stuff.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
At least I personally couldn't care less if anything "turns a profit" for Cryptic, I just ask for them to do a complete job and not half-TRIBBLE things. They can see for themselves where they get their profits.
Not directly aimed at you, but I am tired of seeing people adding "you can sell me this for big moneyz!" to each suggestion thread because they think that somehow nobody at Cryptic/PWEs thinks about how to monetize stuff.
I completely get your argument, but from a business point of view (lets face it, Cryptic/PWE care more about that than they do us) they're not going to put time into something that they don't see themselves making a profit out of.
To me, female Nausicaan would be utilized, whereas female Gorn and female Lethean wouldn't. They'd essentially make money back from a female Nausicaan. Lets face it, they're not exactly doing anything else with the KDF at the moment, are they?
I can deal with no female Gorn as honestly in most reptilian creatures it is harder to identify male from female, though would be nice to have some identifying markings that could be specific scale patterns, coloration, or even things that might be used in a mating type ritual to denote one gender from the other (Frills, large crests, spines, and such.). Most of this is that in the reptile species it is the size of the reptile that can determine the gender, since males are normally smaller than females, but you can also use things like adornments on the species to determine the gender as well. Examples of this could be things like frills, crests, spines, and other things that could have been used in the past of the race to forecast a male's/female's prowess to the other gender. This would be nice to have as than you could make more interesting, and varied Gorns from a more vast set of choices, also would be nice to see maybe some other variations in the Gorn that could be from them living in different arts of their world that these sub-groups had developed in the past, and so would give the Gorn more variety in their look based on their being many different kinds of them that evolved in the different parts of their world an from maybe different groups of reptilian ancestors.
With the fact of female Lethean i agree with many that it would be much harder to do something that could be denoted as female as they don't seem to share alot of reptilian characteristics that could be used to convey a gender. I would go more the route as weird as it sound that they shift their gender to be male or female only during their specific mating season, and they would actually denote this change with a aroma or specific coloration their skin takes on during this season, but then after the end of the season they return to being a non-gender specific race.
At least I personally couldn't care less if anything "turns a profit" for Cryptic, I just ask for them to do a complete job and not half-TRIBBLE things. They can see for themselves where they get their profits.
Not directly aimed at you, but I am tired of seeing people adding "you can sell me this for big moneyz!" to each suggestion thread because they think that somehow nobody at Cryptic/PWEs thinks about how to monetize stuff.
I completely get your argument, but from a business point of view (lets face it, Cryptic/PWE care more about that than they do us) they're not going to put time into something that they don't see themselves making a profit out of.
To me, female Nausicaan would be utilized, whereas female Gorn and female Lethean wouldn't. They'd essentially make money back from a female Nausicaan. Lets face it, they're not exactly doing anything else with the KDF at the moment, are they?
Im actually trying to remember if Ive EVER seens a player Lethean O.o so... yeah doubt thatd get used much
I completely get your argument, but from a business point of view (lets face it, Cryptic/PWE care more about that than they do us) they're not going to put time into something that they don't see themselves making a profit out of.
To me, female Nausicaan would be utilized, whereas female Gorn and female Lethean wouldn't. They'd essentially make money back from a female Nausicaan. Lets face it, they're not exactly doing anything else with the KDF at the moment, are they?
Im actually trying to remember if Ive EVER seens a player Lethean O.o so... yeah doubt thatd get used much
I understand that, but I still won't ever consider looking for something Cryptic can "profit" from - it's their game and they should deliver a complete job. If it's their decision to do it halfway they'll do that anyway. Not my place to break my head about.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I completely get your argument, but from a business point of view (lets face it, Cryptic/PWE care more about that than they do us) they're not going to put time into something that they don't see themselves making a profit out of.
To me, female Nausicaan would be utilized, whereas female Gorn and female Lethean wouldn't. They'd essentially make money back from a female Nausicaan. Lets face it, they're not exactly doing anything else with the KDF at the moment, are they?
Im actually trying to remember if Ive EVER seens a player Lethean O.o so... yeah doubt thatd get used much
I understand that, but I still won't ever consider looking for something Cryptic can "profit" from - it's their game and they should deliver a complete job. If it's their decision to do it halfway they'll do that anyway. Not my place to break my head about.
totally agree they SHOULD do things right, but they have a long history of half-assing things and later arranging things so they can be lazier.
(...)
So unless some on-screen mention is made of a Caitian augment virus or the humans with odd ears and a tail are called Caitians on-screen they remain an unnamed race that resembles a normal human with pointed ears and a tail.
That I can accept, but for me even if it's about JJ-Trek, please no forced "explanation" why costumes are different. The "augment" schmu of ENT I almost hate as much as the big Borg debacle of FC and beyond
It depends on how much difference there is. Like I said, it really only matters for Klingons and Trill. No other race has changed as drastically as those two (physically anyway, I'll leave aside the issue of the Borg, a race I care little about).
One of my only regrets with DS9 is that we never got even an handwave to the TNG Trill and their vastly different joining process, symbiont domination, and ridges instead of spots.
Other than that I do like explaining away the costume changes. Gorn go from humanoid legs to dog like legs, are they a different type of Gorn, another reptilian species in the Gorn Empire? Some Tellarites have different numbers of fingers, random mutations as with some Humans, or a racial adaptation to different regions on Tellar Prime. Why do some Romulans have ridges? Do some Vulcans as well?
It expands the world of Sci-Fi so much more by making you think about things other than the carboard sets and plastic masks.
That's why I like the idea of ENT Nausicans being the females and the TNG ones being the males, it's alien, and it's original. It also removes the gimping of the Nausicaans.
Plus it seems like Orci has no idea what he's on about when he confirms they are Caitians, he's clearly never heard of the animated series before and is just nodding along answering 'yes' to the question.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I completely get your argument, but from a business point of view (lets face it, Cryptic/PWE care more about that than they do us) they're not going to put time into something that they don't see themselves making a profit out of.
To me, female Nausicaan would be utilized, whereas female Gorn and female Lethean wouldn't. They'd essentially make money back from a female Nausicaan. Lets face it, they're not exactly doing anything else with the KDF at the moment, are they?
Im actually trying to remember if Ive EVER seens a player Lethean O.o so... yeah doubt thatd get used much
I understand that, but I still won't ever consider looking for something Cryptic can "profit" from - it's their game and they should deliver a complete job. If it's their decision to do it halfway they'll do that anyway. Not my place to break my head about.
totally agree they SHOULD do things right, but they have a long history of half-assing things and later arranging things so they can be lazier.
honestly... I don't think they'd charge for female Gorn/Nausicaans/Letheans if they did add them to the game. which might be part of why they're low priority.
I support the request for female Nausicaan, because I think they'd sell. I honestly don't see a female Lethean doing that well on the market though, and female Gorn - how would you even distinguish that? What is/does a female Gorn even look like? You can't exactly just go ahead and strap bigger TRIBBLE to the Gorn model and give it long hair, cause that just wouldn't look right.
Common 'humanoid' female traits for these races would be attributed to the Preservers as these races are actually more humanoid than the animals they are based on (Gorn have no tails common to lizards, for example)....
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So unless some on-screen mention is made of a Caitian augment virus or the humans with odd ears and a tail are called Caitians on-screen they remain an unnamed race that resembles a normal human with pointed ears and a tail.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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This, yes. They also blame bad record-keeping and the KDF's inability to tell male from female for them being labeled male. =P
Alternately, they tell people that all Gorn are both male and female, so they really don't care what people assume.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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That I can accept, but for me even if it's about JJ-Trek, please no forced "explanation" why costumes are different. The "augment" schmu of ENT I almost hate as much as the big Borg debacle of FC and beyond
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I'd think female Gorn would not turn a profit, alike female Lethean. Again though, fully supporting female Nausicaan. I think we'd do well to have them.
At least I personally couldn't care less if anything "turns a profit" for Cryptic, I just ask for them to do a complete job and not half-TRIBBLE things. They can see for themselves where they get their profits.
Not directly aimed at you, but I am tired of seeing people adding "you can sell me this for big moneyz!" to each suggestion thread because they think that somehow nobody at Cryptic/PWEs thinks about how to monetize stuff.
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To me, female Nausicaan would be utilized, whereas female Gorn and female Lethean wouldn't. They'd essentially make money back from a female Nausicaan. Lets face it, they're not exactly doing anything else with the KDF at the moment, are they?
With the fact of female Lethean i agree with many that it would be much harder to do something that could be denoted as female as they don't seem to share alot of reptilian characteristics that could be used to convey a gender. I would go more the route as weird as it sound that they shift their gender to be male or female only during their specific mating season, and they would actually denote this change with a aroma or specific coloration their skin takes on during this season, but then after the end of the season they return to being a non-gender specific race.
then you should leave this convo and let us speak
Im actually trying to remember if Ive EVER seens a player Lethean O.o so... yeah doubt thatd get used much
I understand that, but I still won't ever consider looking for something Cryptic can "profit" from - it's their game and they should deliver a complete job. If it's their decision to do it halfway they'll do that anyway. Not my place to break my head about.
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totally agree they SHOULD do things right, but they have a long history of half-assing things and later arranging things so they can be lazier.
It depends on how much difference there is. Like I said, it really only matters for Klingons and Trill. No other race has changed as drastically as those two (physically anyway, I'll leave aside the issue of the Borg, a race I care little about).
One of my only regrets with DS9 is that we never got even an handwave to the TNG Trill and their vastly different joining process, symbiont domination, and ridges instead of spots.
Other than that I do like explaining away the costume changes. Gorn go from humanoid legs to dog like legs, are they a different type of Gorn, another reptilian species in the Gorn Empire? Some Tellarites have different numbers of fingers, random mutations as with some Humans, or a racial adaptation to different regions on Tellar Prime. Why do some Romulans have ridges? Do some Vulcans as well?
It expands the world of Sci-Fi so much more by making you think about things other than the carboard sets and plastic masks.
That's why I like the idea of ENT Nausicans being the females and the TNG ones being the males, it's alien, and it's original. It also removes the gimping of the Nausicaans.
Plus it seems like Orci has no idea what he's on about when he confirms they are Caitians, he's clearly never heard of the animated series before and is just nodding along answering 'yes' to the question.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I dunno...this seems to work well.
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