Female Gorn, Nausicans,...etc.

hunger95

I think we need femal Characters for Gorn, Leethans and Nausicans. The Remans have females too, and I saw never a woman Reman in a Star Trek movie or episode.
What is your opineon ?
Yes or No Female Characters?


Sry, for my bad English

hypl

Female Nausicaan concept that never made it into the game.



Would be nice to add female genders to these races, or at least explain why males are only available. (androgynous, societal issues, etc.)

jorantomalak

From my understanding the Gorn and Letheans are single sex species , i think the word is androgynous not 100% sure
the Nausicaans im not sure though i think seen somewhere that they do have females, though i shudder to think of what a female nausicaan would look like.

kapla5571

jorantomalak wrote: »

From my understanding the Gorn and Letheans are single sex species , i think the word is androgynous not 100% sure
the Nausicaans im not sure though i think seen somewhere that they do have females, though i shudder to think of what a female nausicaan would look like.

The letheans have never had their backstory developed enough to know whether they have females or not. The Gorn are in pretty much the same boat unless you care to refrence this - "In the alternate reality, the Federation and the Gorn made contact by 2259. Leonard McCoy mentioned he delivered live Gorn octuplets via a caesarean section and that they were rather vicious. (Star Trek Into Darkness)" - which would indicate that Gorn are born from a host and not from an egg as some have conjectured. Since in our reality caesareans are performed on females to facilitate a difficult childbirth you could draw a conclusion that there are Gorn females they were just never shown on screen quite like the Reman females we have in game also not shown on screen.
Most likely, Cryptic just has never devoted developer time to fleshing out these KDF species hopefully they will in the future, as I personally would sacrifice some of my captains to a warp core breach to open some roster space if necessary.

kodachikuno

Arguably... the big massive gorn you see walking around ARE female :P Real world reptiles have no TRIBBLE, and the female are generally larger. Gorn in prime universe are (generally) considered to be egg layers.... We also have a DOFF assignment to partake in a Gorn festival to their Egg-layer goddess. But yes, Id like to see more character options

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really?? b oo bs and br eas ts are censored??!

jorantomalak

kapla5571 wrote: »

jorantomalak wrote: »

From my understanding the Gorn and Letheans are single sex species , i think the word is androgynous not 100% sure
the Nausicaans im not sure though i think seen somewhere that they do have females, though i shudder to think of what a female nausicaan would look like.

The letheans have never had their backstory developed enough to know whether they have females or not. The Gorn are in pretty much the same boat unless you care to refrence this - "In the alternate reality, the Federation and the Gorn made contact by 2259. Leonard McCoy mentioned he delivered live Gorn octuplets via a caesarean section and that they were rather vicious. (Star Trek Into Darkness)" - which would indicate that Gorn are born from a host and not from an egg as some have conjectured. Since in our reality caesareans are performed on females to facilitate a difficult childbirth you could draw a conclusion that there are Gorn females they were just never shown on screen quite like the Reman females we have in game also not shown on screen.
Most likely, Cryptic just has never devoted developer time to fleshing out these KDF species hopefully they will in the future, as I personally would sacrifice some of my captains to a warp core breach to open some roster space if necessary.

Im no trek wealth of knowledge as i mentioned i had read it somewhere, so idk if its factual or just a fan boy dime novelette that i came across, if there are female gorn then i think they should be added, aswell as lethean and nausiccaan *shudders*.

captainhunter1

Common 'humanoid' female traits for these races would be attributed to the Preservers as these races are actually more humanoid than the animals they are based on (Gorn have no tails common to lizards, for example)....

twg042370

My Gorn are always lady Gorn.

orangeitis

hypl wrote: »

http://gaming.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/startrekonline/conceptart/concept16.jpg

Also, we need that hair style.

kodachikuno wrote: »

Arguably... the big massive gorn you see walking around ARE female :P Real world reptiles have no TRIBBLE, and the female are generally larger. Gorn in prime universe are (generally) considered to be egg layers.... We also have a DOFF assignment to partake in a Gorn festival to their Egg-layer goddess. But yes, Id like to see more character options

That would mean that, in the time divergence when the Narada appeared before the Kelvin, the Gorn species went from egg-laying to live-birthers. That... doesn't make a lot of sense.

pulserazor

hunger95 wrote: »

femal Characters for Gorn, Leethans and Nausicans

Gross

kodachikuno

orangeitis wrote: »

hypl wrote: »

http://gaming.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/startrekonline/conceptart/concept16.jpg

Also, we need that hair style.

kodachikuno wrote: »

Arguably... the big massive gorn you see walking around ARE female :P Real world reptiles have no TRIBBLE, and the female are generally larger. Gorn in prime universe are (generally) considered to be egg layers.... We also have a DOFF assignment to partake in a Gorn festival to their Egg-layer goddess. But yes, Id like to see more character options

That would mean that, in the time divergence when the Narada appeared before the Kelvin, the Gorn species went from egg-laying to live-birthers. That... doesn't make a lot of sense.

oh and BIGEYES the nurse does? Or hairless anime style catgirl Caitian? JJTrek is full of holes bro and he wasnt a fan of trek and didnt care to be unless it was HIS version of trek... Let prime and JJ verses remain separate with their own rules

artan42

kodachikuno wrote: »

oh and BIGEYES the nurse does? Or hairless anime style catgirl Caitian? JJTrek is full of holes bro and he wasnt a fan of trek and didnt care to be unless it was HIS version of trek... Let prime and JJ verses remain separate with their own rules

They aren't Caitians. Also the AR branches from the attack on the Kelvin it doesn't effect anything from before, like species evolution.​​

ihatepwe735

Do we blame the preservers that all alien females have to be sexy by human standards? I rather hope the giant Gorn are female - it would be a novelty to see a female alien that doesn't need the usual forbidden nipple treatment.

lianthelia

Been wanting female Nausicaan for a while...KDF gets shafted...they've added females that weren't in canon for every faction except KDF.

kodachikuno

artan42 wrote: »

kodachikuno wrote: »

oh and BIGEYES the nurse does? Or hairless anime style catgirl Caitian? JJTrek is full of holes bro and he wasnt a fan of trek and didnt care to be unless it was HIS version of trek... Let prime and JJ verses remain separate with their own rules

They aren't Caitians. Also the AR branches from the attack on the Kelvin it doesn't effect anything from before, like species evolution.​​

I love the patent denial of the fact they ARE Caitian as stated by the people that know....

Kirk is seen in bed with two Caitains (according to STID screenwriter Roberto Orci)

Can you confirm that the creatures we see with Kirk during his off-hours on Earth are Caitians?

LINDELOF: You mean the women with the tails?

Yes, this is the species that Lt. M'Ress was, from The Animated Series.

LINDELOF: Yes, we can confirm this.

reference link #1
reference link #2

angrytarg

ihatepwe735 wrote: »

Do we blame the preservers that all alien females have to be sexy by human standards? I rather hope the giant Gorn are female - it would be a novelty to see a female alien that doesn't need the usual forbidden nipple treatment.

I agree. As much as I like what WoW did with Tauren, not all females have to be "sexy". For STO I'd appreciate Gorn females that are, aside from maybe size differences, indistinguishable from males in voice and appearance. I'd also wish for the weird goblin female Tellarites to be redone to feature facial bristles and a more sturdy figure. Letheans I don't know about, I don't even know what the little scarfaces are supposed to be in the first place but please don't just glue the rubber mask on some beach model figure if you go for females.​​

gaevsprivsman

Perhaps there is no females, because they are nor allowed to leave the homeworld/not military?, we dont know their society, perhaps there is not much females so they need to be keept protected?

angrytarg

gaevsprivsman wrote: »

Perhaps there is no females, because they are nor allowed to leave the homeworld/not military?, we dont know their society, perhaps there is not much females so they need to be keept protected?

This explanation already bothers me in Tolkien's realms. First, having so few females that they are not allowed to leave their homes in fear of causing the race to be extinct lets everyone with a basic understanding of social and/or biologic sciences cringe. Then it's an extremely sexist mindset that just doesn't sit well with me. And in STOs case, reptilian species are often associated with female dominance, same for Tellarites by the way (if they build on their porcine-ness, pigs naturally live in matriarchies).

If any I like the explanation better that females are just very hard to distinguish for outsiders that an untrained look at them wouldn't be able to tell them apart (Tolkien's dwarves have both of those. The rarity nonsense and when they leave their home they are basically identical to the males for the untrained eye). I do support a certain sex dimorphism and sometimes it's done very well, but sometimes just saying "they look the same" would be enough already. Better than leaving them completely out of the picture and then label them basically captives for the greater good later on.​​

orangeitis

kodachikuno wrote: »

oh and BIGEYES the nurse does? Or hairless anime style catgirl Caitian? JJTrek is full of holes bro and he wasnt a fan of trek and didnt care to be unless it was HIS version of trek... Let prime and JJ verses remain separate with their own rules

Pretty much. :<

irm1963

orangeitis wrote: »

hypl wrote: »

http://gaming.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/startrekonline/conceptart/concept16.jpg

Also, we need that hair style.

kodachikuno wrote: »

Arguably... the big massive gorn you see walking around ARE female :P Real world reptiles have no TRIBBLE, and the female are generally larger. Gorn in prime universe are (generally) considered to be egg layers.... We also have a DOFF assignment to partake in a Gorn festival to their Egg-layer goddess. But yes, Id like to see more character options

That would mean that, in the time divergence when the Narada appeared before the Kelvin, the Gorn species went from egg-laying to live-birthers. That... doesn't make a lot of sense.

Maybe it's egg-chute was gummed up ? (eeeewwww)

kapla5571

i'm curious, we have 28 distinct playable species variants [including 3 different types of lib borg species] all with male-female equivilents except 3 - Nausicaan, Gorn, Lethean who happen to all belong to 1 faction. Is it gonna hurt that much if they decide to finally add the female types to those 3 races after 6 years? If they add more races to the game in the future should they be male only, too much development time to create the female cardassian perhaps?

twg042370

angrytarg wrote: »

If any I like the explanation better that females are just very hard to distinguish for outsiders that an untrained look at them wouldn't be able to tell them apart... ​​

Terry Pratchett used this. As a result all my Dwarves in LOTRO are ladies.

unotetsu

I would love the "alien" preset to have changeable gender with male, female, androgynous options.

Then I think they should put gorn and nausican and lethean into the androgynous category

artan42

kodachikuno wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

kodachikuno wrote: »

oh and BIGEYES the nurse does? Or hairless anime style catgirl Caitian? JJTrek is full of holes bro and he wasnt a fan of trek and didnt care to be unless it was HIS version of trek... Let prime and JJ verses remain separate with their own rules

They aren't Caitians. Also the AR branches from the attack on the Kelvin it doesn't effect anything from before, like species evolution.

I love the patent denial of the fact they ARE Caitian as stated by the people that know....

Kirk is seen in bed with two Caitains (according to STID screenwriter Roberto Orci)

Can you confirm that the creatures we see with Kirk during his off-hours on Earth are Caitians?

LINDELOF: You mean the women with the tails?

Yes, this is the species that Lt. M'Ress was, from The Animated Series.

LINDELOF: Yes, we can confirm this.

reference link #1
reference link #2

That's cool. But also not canon.

You can't cry they don't know anything about Star Trek in one breath and then present them as experts the next. Canon exists for a reason and part of it is to prevent people being stupid with the establishment. Caitians appear in TAS and one of the TOS films, do the creatures in ID resemble them in any way, shape, or form? No, ergo, not Caitians.​​

markhawkman

angrytarg wrote: »

ihatepwe735 wrote: »

Do we blame the preservers that all alien females have to be sexy by human standards? I rather hope the giant Gorn are female - it would be a novelty to see a female alien that doesn't need the usual forbidden nipple treatment.

I agree. As much as I like what WoW did with Tauren, not all females have to be "sexy". For STO I'd appreciate Gorn females that are, aside from maybe size differences, indistinguishable from males in voice and appearance. I'd also wish for the weird goblin female Tellarites to be redone to feature facial bristles and a more sturdy figure. Letheans I don't know about, I don't even know what the little scarfaces are supposed to be in the first place but please don't just glue the rubber mask on some beach model figure if you go for females.​​

Letheans are a DS9 race. Aside from the obvious they looked like typical humanoids. Sooo yeah. I'd go for the Reman approach and add interesting skin textures.:)

kodachikuno

artan42 wrote: »

That's cool. But also not canon.

You can't cry they don't know anything about Star Trek in one breath and then present them as experts the next. Canon exists for a reason and part of it is to prevent people being stupid with the establishment. Caitians appear in TAS and one of the TOS films, do the creatures in ID resemble them in any way, shape, or form? No, ergo, not Caitians.​​

Actually TWO of the ToS movies... and Im not calling them experts at Trek Canon, Im calling them experts on the movies they made... they decided those are Caitian in their universe... deal with it... JJTrek and Prime Trek are two different animals, non-related... deal with it.

gaevsprivsman

angrytarg wrote: »

gaevsprivsman wrote: »

Perhaps there is no females, because they are nor allowed to leave the homeworld/not military?, we dont know their society, perhaps there is not much females so they need to be keept protected?

This explanation already bothers me in Tolkien's realms. First, having so few females that they are not allowed to leave their homes in fear of causing the race to be extinct lets everyone with a basic understanding of social and/or biologic sciences cringe. Then it's an extremely sexist mindset that just doesn't sit well with me. And in STOs case, reptilian species are often associated with female dominance, same for Tellarites by the way (if they build on their porcine-ness, pigs naturally live in matriarchies).

If any I like the explanation better that females are just very hard to distinguish for outsiders that an untrained look at them wouldn't be able to tell them apart (Tolkien's dwarves have both of those. The rarity nonsense and when they leave their home they are basically identical to the males for the untrained eye). I do support a certain sex dimorphism and sometimes it's done very well, but sometimes just saying "they look the same" would be enough already. Better than leaving them completely out of the picture and then label them basically captives for the greater good later on.​​

I agree with you, but also, maybe their females does not travel, like the bee queen?, they send males to do the work?, and about you not feeling confotable with that explanation.. i dont feel confortable with a lot of people costumes and religion.. but i have to accept them anyway, we cannot impose our views to other societys.. Prime Directive??

lianthelia

gaevsprivsman wrote: »

angrytarg wrote: »

gaevsprivsman wrote: »

Perhaps there is no females, because they are nor allowed to leave the homeworld/not military?, we dont know their society, perhaps there is not much females so they need to be keept protected?

This explanation already bothers me in Tolkien's realms. First, having so few females that they are not allowed to leave their homes in fear of causing the race to be extinct lets everyone with a basic understanding of social and/or biologic sciences cringe. Then it's an extremely sexist mindset that just doesn't sit well with me. And in STOs case, reptilian species are often associated with female dominance, same for Tellarites by the way (if they build on their porcine-ness, pigs naturally live in matriarchies).

If any I like the explanation better that females are just very hard to distinguish for outsiders that an untrained look at them wouldn't be able to tell them apart (Tolkien's dwarves have both of those. The rarity nonsense and when they leave their home they are basically identical to the males for the untrained eye). I do support a certain sex dimorphism and sometimes it's done very well, but sometimes just saying "they look the same" would be enough already. Better than leaving them completely out of the picture and then label them basically captives for the greater good later on.​​

I agree with you, but also, maybe their females does not travel, like the bee queen?, they send males to do the work?, and about you not feeling confotable with that explanation.. i dont feel confortable with a lot of people costumes and religion.. but i have to accept them anyway, we cannot impose our views to other societys.. Prime Directive??

So...it just happens that only the females of KDF races do that...yet no Federation aligned race or Reman does that?

It's just they half-TRIBBLE$'ed the KDF long ago and it's something that hasn't been rectified...especially if it is true and the really large Gorn are the females...they're already in game...or if you want to make females unique...maybe give them some special scale tones or other unique markers.

So Saurian females don't stay home and lay eggs yet the Gorn do (I know just because they're both reptilian doesn't mean they function the same, but Cryptic did go out of their way to make females for a race that almost no one plays on the Fed side, in fact all 3 non-canon females they made hardly are played if at all.)

kodachikuno

lianthelia wrote: »

Saurian females don't stay home and lay eggs yet the Gorn do (I know just because they're both reptilian doesn't mean they function the same, but Cryptic did go out of their way to make females for a race that almost no one plays on the Fed side, in fact all 3 non-canon females they made hardly are played if at all.)

The fact that Saurian females have br easts suggest they have much more in common with most mammals in that they bear live young and nurse them. Yes I know thats a weak excuse for Cryptic laziness but you know it'll be used by someone

artan42

kodachikuno wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

That's cool. But also not canon.

You can't cry they don't know anything about Star Trek in one breath and then present them as experts the next. Canon exists for a reason and part of it is to prevent people being stupid with the establishment. Caitians appear in TAS and one of the TOS films, do the creatures in ID resemble them in any way, shape, or form? No, ergo, not Caitians.

Actually TWO of the ToS movies... and Im not calling them experts at Trek Canon, Im calling them experts on the movies they made... they decided those are Caitian in their universe... deal with it... JJTrek and Prime Trek are two different animals, non-related... deal with it.

They can decide whatever headcanon they want behind the scenes, if they don't but it into the film it's not canon. The cat-girls are only Caitians in the heads of those two. As soon as they establish they are Caitians in canon, then the real 'Klingons-in-TMP' fanwankery can begin, but until then, they remain, not Caitians.​​

angrytarg

artan42 wrote: »

They can decide whatever headcanon they want behind the scenes, if they don't but it into the film it's not canon. The cat-girls are only Caitians in the heads of those two. As soon as they establish they are Caitians in canon, then the real 'Klingons-in-TMP' fanwankery can begin, but until then, they remain, not Caitians.

How about it's simple costume difference? It is indeed Klingons in TMP. I have no problem accepting that they are supposed to be Caitians, they wanted "exotic sex" but aren't ready to go whole hog as people like to play certain morality cards they don't know anything about and to avoid that they just decided that's the costumes they use in their movies.

I really don't care either way, those movies are in the same league as Enterprise - a terribly written mess you simply cannot save, so just consider it it's own thing and be done with it (in another thread there was a discussion about the Enterprise crew in ENT being able to heal Borg assimilation, create phasers that are unadaptable etc. in the 22nd century - you cannot make sense of it. Just deal with it XD)

Abrams wanted to make a Star Wars movie and it shows. Everything in Trek 09 and ID screams Star Wars, visually and storytelling wise. It just shows he wanted funny goofy aliens in every shot ​​