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NEED IDEA for new KDF ship. Help?
lapisexillis
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I am a KDF tac. New toon about a month old. Anyways. I want to buy a new ship. Currently using Kurak. Thinking either Bortasqu Tac or Ty'Gokor. I already have a presidio on one of my FED toons. Ty'go looks like a KDF copy. Any info would be great thanks.
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My character Tsin'xing
Do I need to use cannons with Mat'Ha or can I use dual beams?
How does it compare to the Fleet Mogai. I use it on a Rom Tac. It does good DPS. I prefer big beam boats. But Mat'Ha sounds tempting.
*hides in a bunker*
Qib is also a top ship able to use SS3; this light battlecruiser has great turn and battlecloak. For me at least, i rate just under Kurak: that's 5th forward weapons is great.
Mat'ha is a raptor, has that nose cannon that gets buffed from disruptor consoles; it's a beast in terms of burst damage. DBB works on them but DHC makes them shine. Same goes for the pilot raptors; all 3 have nice starship traits and are incredible fast.
Kor the T6 raider is an aquired taste; it's weaknesses are overrated as people underrate the full uni layout. The starhip trait gives altmost full uptime to cannon scatter voley.
OP, your Kurak Battlecruiser outstrips the Command FDCs in combat capability in every meaningful way and it's trait is pretty nice.
If you got the resources, get All Hands On Deck and use it on another ship ASAP.
Best science ship in the KDF nothing wrong about that besides the fact it is about the only actual science ship the entire faction can get.
As for solid dps it has it and enough engineering you can combine the two for a lethal combination. On the command cruisers still trying to figure that one out in my head right now for other reasons.
Not counting the dyson. Varanus is basically a nebula and fun to fly.
Mat'ha isn't really much better. The trait is uselles. There is no reason to use BO and THY. Even if you use it, why would you want to scatter your targets ? You want them clustered, not scattered.
The cannon is a nice gimmick, but that's about it.
That leaves ships with good traits. Tac command cruiser is probably your best bet here.
No, the best KDF Science Vessel is the Dyson Science Destroyer. It might not be as good as the Fed Vesta. There is a thread about the DSD already, though, so I won't elaborate - the key thing is - use it like a science vessel and treat the destroyer mode as a gimmick.
Otherwise:
The Pilot Escorts are still the best Escorts in the game. They come with the 5/2 weapon loadout like the Mat'ha and as such, all 4 ships (3 Pilot Escorts, and the Mat'ha) are excellent both for DHC and DBB builds.
theres still a huge amount of hate flung at it tho so I expected huge flames to chase me into the bunker
Most players in this game do not get how to get a Science Vessel to perform and wonder why they can't spec it up to be a TAC Cruiser and have it succeed (I'll lump the 2-hangar slot Fed Jupiter Carrier in that mix). Within the portion of the population that DO know how to put a Science Vessel together, there's an even fewer group that know how to make such ships perform with a super heavy SCI BOFF layout that has only a a Lt TAC station.
"There's no LtCmdr TAC! Whatever am I going to do on a Science Vessel?"
My character Tsin'xing
The Bort is generally disliked by most KDF players, but still might suit your needs.
It's not that the Bort isn't a good ship, it's that it's not a very 'Klingon' style ship. It's just another big beam boat that can't get out of it's own way. As far as Beam Boats go, it's a powerful ship but overall is nothing special. If you're looking for honest advice, I would avoid it simply because it's T5. T5 is a dead end, but if you really want a beam boat 'starfleet style' ship, then the Bort is probably your answer.
I suspect though that we have differing views since you already have my personal favorite KDF ship the Mogh/Kurak. Kurak is a great ship IMO.
My character Tsin'xing
No ship in the KDF lineup will get you a more flame-filled thread on opinions than the Bortasqu'. You either love these ships or hate them to no end.
There are 2 good things about the Bortasqu' pack.
1. The TAC version is the only TAC Cruiser with FIVE TAC Consoles in the entire game.
2. There is a version with Sensor Analysis and 4 TAC Consoles. Not even the Odyssey with Sensor Analysis that is adored has that.
Outside that, the consoles and set bonus are absolute Grade-F Garbage. The Disruptor Autocannon Console has interesting use but you're talking about a narrow-arc, long CD clicky console being used on a ship with one of the worst Inertia and handling ratings in the game. The Hoh'Sus BOP is an NPC unit, so thereby it's useless. Even worse it has a long CD when you recover it because it ALWAYS gets destroyed easily, quickly.
Which brings me to my next point.
This ship's handling is absolute garbage. The ship slips and slides out of combat. If you're going a tad bit too fast and miss a turn, CONGRATS! You just Power Slid yourself several Km out of combat range and you'll now spend the next minute trying to slow down, turn the proper direction, and slowly get speed to get back into range! You want to use DHCs? LOL!
Now, you will get some guys here eventually that will say, "Well there are abilities and gear to fix the Inertia and Turn Rate issues and get the Bort to acceptable levels of handling."
To that, I will give you my reply here and now: It's pointless.
The build space of a ship you're sacrificing to get the Bortasqu' to even somewhat barely acceptable levels of handling is a waste. There are far superior, very hard hitting KDF TAC Battlecruisers out there that have already excellent handling:
T5 Fleet Vor'Cha
T5/T6 Mogh
T6 Intel Qib
These ships can dedicate more build space for hitting power or whatever since they already handle well. And they are not flimsy ships, either.
My character Tsin'xing
If you're just looking for more damage, check out Mat'ha, you can load it the same as you'd your Kurak (it's 5/2 vs Kurak's 5/3) in terms of weapons, it boasts alot of tac boff powers, it offers very well survivability for an escort and healthy amount of engineering seatings, 5 tac consoles and Lt Intel as well, for OSS. Mat'ha is capable of doing high dps.
I don't personally like Bortasque, it handles like a whale and while it's tough, it's only really truely usable with beam arrays. I tend to think whatever Bort can do, Mogh or Negh'var can do as well (and better), specially Mogh. If you have to get one, imo, the version with sensor analysis is the better one between the three.
The problem with the Bortasqu' is that it will slide itself out of combat range. Then it will try to spend the next minute to get back in 10km range.
My character Tsin'xing
My character Tsin'xing