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johnwatson71
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(NOTE: I will not be responding to replies on this thread. This is me giving my 2 cents, and that's all. If you all want to debate or discuss, feel free. But I won't be taking part other than posting this)
What is it with all the saltiness and bitterness of the playerbase lately? Nothing pleases you. Nothing satisfies you. You what the adult thing to do when a game no longer offers you enjoyment? You stop playing instead of ruining it for the people who do enjoy the game.
Also, not sure why people need to be reminded, but the devs are not here to cater to people's personal desires. Just because you want something, doesn't make the devs obligated to give it to you. This is THEIR game, we just play it. If we don't like it, well no one is forcing us to play or to give them money.
But literally, all these forums and the playerbase has become is people complaining about every single fracking thing they don't like. You know what? You're not going to love everything. And while your opinions on the game are indeed valid, don't delude yourself into thinking that you are the only one who can be correct. The devs might change things, they might not. And they will have their reasons for both courses of action.
I'll use the "nerf bfaw" threads as an example. I have never seen a more salty group of people b**ch about something so small in my entire life. Honestly its so insignificant, and the fact that 2 threads, that don't even include REAL discussion but instead, sarcasm, petty humor and plain whining, is just so so sad.
Now, the devs might very well nerf bfaw. They might not. And they are fully entitled to take either course of action and frack whatever YOU want. Again, this is THEIR game. And its a free one to play. No one forces you to pay money. Just because you VOLUNTARILY give them money, does not make them obligated to shape this game into what you personally desire. If you can't accept and handle that, then maybe you need to find a new game. The fact that this is a free game, means that you have far much less entitlement to anything than you think.
Also, the fact that this is a game BASED on a source material, does not mean that content or game mechanics/dynamics have to be a slave to the canon all or any of the time. This game is not the star trek show. there are going to be things that were not in the show. Because it is a game. If you can;t accept that either, then you should probably move on.
The forums have become nothing but pissing and moaning. Which I acknowledge is pretty much what I am doing here. And I know for a fact that I am not the only one that feels this way. Haters and salties are usually always the loudest minorities.
And you might want to dismiss the illusion that the people on the forums represent the entire, or even the majority of the player base, because, no they don't. All the forums represent are the people that use the forums. Because believe it or not, some people are content and even happy with the game the play. Or are not so falsely entitled that they don't come on here making demands like all ships being reprogrammed to be 5/3 or that a certain ability be nerfed because they can't make it work as well as other people.
This is a GAME. For f***s sake. If you hate it, if it doesn't bring you fun, or all you do is complain about it, well you know what? There are other games out there. And don't pull the "this is the only star trek mmo" card, because that is irrelevant. EVERY game like this will always have balancing issues. Will ALWAYS ahve mechanics or dynamics that people don't like, will ALWAYS have things that some people can make work well and others can't.
Yes, there are things I don't like about this game too. Trust me. But you know what? I just ignore those parts. And if they are something integral to the game I need to experience, then I learn to work with them. I don't come on here and demand like soem falsely oppressed person that the entire game be changed on my behalf. That is ridiculous. Unreasonable. And laughable at best.
Sometimes the devs can and will accommodate, and we should be thankful. But they are under NO obligation to accommodate everything we want or ask for. And they never will be.
What will happen, is the devs will create content and mechanics THEY like, and that are likely to please a majority of the players. And that's exactly how it should be done. And once again no, the forums do not represent the majority of the players.
Bottom line TL:DR:
This is a free game. You are not forced to pay for it, no matter how much you try to rationalize that you are. If this game no longer brings you joy or enjoyment. And it is no longer fun. Find a game that is and is more in line with what you want instead. Stop trying to turn this one into your own personal idea of perfection because I can guarantee that you will be constantly and perpetually disappointed as long as you play it.
What is it with all the saltiness and bitterness of the playerbase lately? Nothing pleases you. Nothing satisfies you. You what the adult thing to do when a game no longer offers you enjoyment? You stop playing instead of ruining it for the people who do enjoy the game.
Also, not sure why people need to be reminded, but the devs are not here to cater to people's personal desires. Just because you want something, doesn't make the devs obligated to give it to you. This is THEIR game, we just play it. If we don't like it, well no one is forcing us to play or to give them money.
But literally, all these forums and the playerbase has become is people complaining about every single fracking thing they don't like. You know what? You're not going to love everything. And while your opinions on the game are indeed valid, don't delude yourself into thinking that you are the only one who can be correct. The devs might change things, they might not. And they will have their reasons for both courses of action.
I'll use the "nerf bfaw" threads as an example. I have never seen a more salty group of people b**ch about something so small in my entire life. Honestly its so insignificant, and the fact that 2 threads, that don't even include REAL discussion but instead, sarcasm, petty humor and plain whining, is just so so sad.
Now, the devs might very well nerf bfaw. They might not. And they are fully entitled to take either course of action and frack whatever YOU want. Again, this is THEIR game. And its a free one to play. No one forces you to pay money. Just because you VOLUNTARILY give them money, does not make them obligated to shape this game into what you personally desire. If you can't accept and handle that, then maybe you need to find a new game. The fact that this is a free game, means that you have far much less entitlement to anything than you think.
Also, the fact that this is a game BASED on a source material, does not mean that content or game mechanics/dynamics have to be a slave to the canon all or any of the time. This game is not the star trek show. there are going to be things that were not in the show. Because it is a game. If you can;t accept that either, then you should probably move on.
The forums have become nothing but pissing and moaning. Which I acknowledge is pretty much what I am doing here. And I know for a fact that I am not the only one that feels this way. Haters and salties are usually always the loudest minorities.
And you might want to dismiss the illusion that the people on the forums represent the entire, or even the majority of the player base, because, no they don't. All the forums represent are the people that use the forums. Because believe it or not, some people are content and even happy with the game the play. Or are not so falsely entitled that they don't come on here making demands like all ships being reprogrammed to be 5/3 or that a certain ability be nerfed because they can't make it work as well as other people.
This is a GAME. For f***s sake. If you hate it, if it doesn't bring you fun, or all you do is complain about it, well you know what? There are other games out there. And don't pull the "this is the only star trek mmo" card, because that is irrelevant. EVERY game like this will always have balancing issues. Will ALWAYS ahve mechanics or dynamics that people don't like, will ALWAYS have things that some people can make work well and others can't.
Yes, there are things I don't like about this game too. Trust me. But you know what? I just ignore those parts. And if they are something integral to the game I need to experience, then I learn to work with them. I don't come on here and demand like soem falsely oppressed person that the entire game be changed on my behalf. That is ridiculous. Unreasonable. And laughable at best.
Sometimes the devs can and will accommodate, and we should be thankful. But they are under NO obligation to accommodate everything we want or ask for. And they never will be.
What will happen, is the devs will create content and mechanics THEY like, and that are likely to please a majority of the players. And that's exactly how it should be done. And once again no, the forums do not represent the majority of the players.
Bottom line TL:DR:
This is a free game. You are not forced to pay for it, no matter how much you try to rationalize that you are. If this game no longer brings you joy or enjoyment. And it is no longer fun. Find a game that is and is more in line with what you want instead. Stop trying to turn this one into your own personal idea of perfection because I can guarantee that you will be constantly and perpetually disappointed as long as you play it.
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'Stop complaining and quit because no body cares'
Ironic isn't it that he wrote a big wall of text about it?
Having a generic rage about others raging is such a waste of time and, yes, pointless. If there is someone specific complaining, then go to THAT thread and reply to it saying otherwise.
Making a NEW thread about it and saying it in a generalized manner doesn't work...at all. I read the first line of the TL:DR portion.
What is sad is I prefer unproductive complainer threads than these....
Oh yeah, pot meet kettle.
Well devs? Where is my T10 Temporal Science Escort Carrier Dreadnaught... oh and make if Fed only.
On a more serious note though, I do have to agree with the OP here.
Who said that the devs should cater to personal desires of individuals?
People who create threads with suggestions or requests don't assume (at least I assume that they don't) that devs will change their plans just because one person makes the requests, but it's a Forum. We post threads to see if there are others who share our opinion, and if enough people do, or if ideas are shared, it may have some influence. I asked for a T6 Andorian ship a while ago. Of course I'm not going to assume it will be made simply because I post it somewhere in a 'dream ship' thread. It's simply part of the relationship between customer and producer: showing what you are willing to spend money on.
Continuing on that, I don't agree with your point of view. You basically say that everything should be decided by the devs, but they still have customers and their wishes which they should keep in mind. You present only one part of the relationship between the producers of the product and its users. And that's where a significant part of your argument is based on, which I, because of its imcompleteness and one-sidedness (is that a word?
Taking FAW again as an example then, people weren't complaining just because they wanted to complain, it's because they want their builds to be viable. Why would they want their builds to be viable? I guess because they enjoy playing the game in their own way. Which becomes difficult if everything is killed with one mixture of (when combined) OP abilities before you can reach the enemy.
No one is complaining simply because they can, but because there are important imbalances that we feel that need to be adressed. And in those threads, there was discussion (on drop off and distances, targeting arcs for cannons etc.) beside all the negative things and attitudes you mention.
Some people should probably look up what Forums are meant for. Earlier this week there was someone else who basically wanted the (according to him self-proclaimed) 'experts' to stop posting simply because he didn't like the suggestions. If you don't like reading others' ideas, requests or feedback, then I honestly don't understand why you visit a Forum. You should expect different opinions that may look like complaining to you, but which aren't necessarily meant as a complaint.
Also:
Bear in mind, some of us (including yours truly) aren't native speakers of the English language and if we're discontent with certain elements of the game it's usually harder to express those feelings and ideas.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
providing they do it without resorting to outright profanity or I quit threads there is no harm in it.
what people ask for might not be what other players want to see but everyone doesn't think in the same way but that does not mean they are not entitled to have an opinion.
not everything that is asked for ever comes to the game but many do so perhaps these comments are often helpful in some way to the devs and give them ideas they may not have thought of including.
who knows what the game would be like if it wasn't for player input, it may well be something you would not enjoy as much as you enjoy the game now.
indeed it is the devs who have the final say as to whether any ideas are included but that doesn't mean they don't appreciate having these ideas put forward whether they use them or not.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
OP wants us to shut up and read his point of view, because apparently only his viewpoint matters.
Nope OP. Forums are to discuss things, not for us all to pay attention to you and only you. That's why I read others' replies but NOT your sermon.
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Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
I say, "preach on brother".
You know... and I say this to all of you that are under 30 years of age, there is a distinct difference in behaviour, attitude, and outlook, between you and those of us over 30 years old. It's noticeable, even if there's only a few years difference. It's something we notice, that we don't see when we compare ourselves to people are few years older than us, or when they compare themselves to us. To us, most of you are shallow idiots with an overblown sense of entitlement. Keep that in mind, think about it... don't mindlessly react to it, think about it, and ask yourselves why. (I'm not answering that for you, think about it, on your own.)
I prefer the irony thread. There was definitely a lot of vinegar in the OP.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
In the end its up to the devs - they rarely if ever have followed social consensus from the forums so if they change it, they change it..if not...well, thats just the way it is
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Then, if OP had Another clue, or at least had ever visited the 'official' forums of every other game ever published, he would realize that this behavior is hardly unique to this title. Official forums for any title are nothing but salty lamentations and diatribe. The reason it it permitted is that publishers cant just delete the posts, because then it would cause people to complain about censorship.
tl:dr? if you want to be a part of a productive community who gets together to focus on enjoying the game they spend so much of their leisure time on: Do Not aspire to be a part of a community on a title's 'Official' forum.
This is my rant about someone ranting about ranting. Observe as someone else rants about my rant about people ranting about people ranting.
OP tells other people to leave if they aren't enjoying the game. Guess what? That exact same logic applies to the forums. If he won't even follow his own advice, no one else should either.
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Why are you so salty about salty posts?
tl;dr
Things have escalated in the last few months...now you basically have so many people demanding their favorite ship be buffed.
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