Seriously, is homosexuality still an issue in the 25th century?

doctornex · December 2015

Why can't my male toons wear cropped jackets! How heteronormative of Cryptic.

sennahcherib · December 2015

why cropped jackets should be a symbol of homosexuality?

doctornex · December 2015

Because they're non-gender conforming.
I guess the next thing Cryptic will tell is us that women can't be in Starfleet because they ought to be cooking and cleaning.

lamyrs · December 2015

sennahcherib wrote: »

why cropped jackets should be a symbol of homosexuality?

Was wondering the same thing.

kontarnus · December 2015

Space Barbie problem = non-problem.

artan42 · December 2015

doctornex wrote: »

Why can't my male toons wear cropped jackets! How heteronormative of Cryptic.

Fashion is nothing to do with sexuality in any way.

But, sure, lets have them for males anyway. I would't wear 'em, but I would't wear 'em on my female characters either.

doctornex · December 2015

HEY HEY, HO HO, COVERED NAVELS HAVE GOT TO GO, HEY HEY, HO HO, ...

cidjack · December 2015

I predict this topic will be locked in 3,2.....

thegrandnagus1 · December 2015

cidjack wrote: »

I predict this topic will be locked in 3,2.....

Nope. Your timer was off. Try again.

doctornex · December 2015

cidjack wrote: »

I predict this topic will be locked in 3,2.....

Why should it be locked? It's a legitimate request for cropped jackets to be made available to male toons. Locking the thread would itself be further evidence of discrimination.

kodachikuno · December 2015

and here I was just joking about my desire to put a cropped jacket on my gorn

k20vtec · December 2015

In before lock and why Cropped= homosexual, clearly you are the one with prejudice.

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doctornex · December 2015

k20vtec wrote: »

In before lock and why Cropped= homosexual, clearly you are the one with prejudice.

As I said it has to do with gender identity which is clearly a homosexual/transsexual issue (as courts have found again and again). This is why students can wear traditionally-opposite-sex clothes at school, because wearing clothes that traditionally belong to the opposite sex is protected expression that is also intimately intertwined with one's gender identity.

sheldonlcooper · December 2015

well, by the 25th century I'm sure that medical technology will have fixed any gender identity problems. Tacky fashion sense - not so much.

isthisscience · December 2015

I am torn between supporting gender neutral fashion (I do really want one for one particular male toon) and finding the idea of a crop top heavy winter coat an utterly stupid idea. I mean, come on! It is a winter coat that exposes your navel, I'm not from Newcastle for christs sake! What next, a bikini EVA and a topless Breen suit? Lets have some proper autumn/winter fashion, you can still look fabulous AND warm!

Of course you can never wear them on a Gorn, because apparently their women aren't allowed to serve in the KDF. Just abolish the gender distinction in clothes and sliders. Andorians and Rigellians have more than two genders after all so allow people be a little genderqueer in their characters if they fancy.

qjunior · December 2015

Asking for those jackets to be available to male characters is one thing. Using a real life issue as a front for doing so is shameful imho.

doctornex · December 2015

isthisscience wrote: »

I am torn between supporting gender neutral fashion (I do really want one for one particular male toon) and finding the idea of a crop top heavy winter coat an utterly stupid idea. I mean, come on! It is a winter coat that exposes your navel, I'm not from Newcastle for christs sake! What next, a bikini EVA and a topless Breen suit? Lets have some proper autumn/winter fashion, you can still look fabulous AND warm!

Of course you can never wear them on a Gorn, because apparently their women aren't allowed to serve in the KDF. Just abolish the gender distinction in clothes and sliders. Andorians and Rigellians have more than two genders after all so allow people be a little genderqueer in their characters if they fancy.

I think this is the right approach. I agree that the idea of a crop-top winter jacket in general is a stupid idea, it's just the gender disparity that bothers me.

kontarnus · December 2015

doctornex wrote: »

k20vtec wrote: »

In before lock and why Cropped= homosexual, clearly you are the one with prejudice.

As I said it has to do with gender identity which is clearly a homosexual/transsexual issue (as courts have found again and again). This is why students can wear traditionally-opposite-sex clothes at school, because wearing clothes that traditionally belong to the opposite sex is protected expression that is also intimately intertwined with one's gender identity.

Objectively, what you're saying is fine. The problem is that not everyone who plays this game will agree with you, and will violently disagree in this forum, sooner rather than later. Star Trek Online and Star Trek fandom, is not limited to those with liberal outlooks.

bobbydazlers · December 2015

doctornex wrote: »

Why can't my male toons wear cropped jackets! How heteronormative of Cryptic.

I don't think its a case of cryptic being heteronormative more a case of excess material in certain areas of protrudiness.
unless you want your character to look like he has manboobs.

artan42 · December 2015

@pwlaughingtrendy

cidjack · December 2015

I seriously have no issue on other people's lifestylel. I stated the lock comment for a couple of reasons.

1.) insulting Cryptic does not lead to a postive experience on the forums.

2.) If you are going to ask for a change to the game it is best to provide a clear argument that provides evidence that can be backed up.

As for is homosexuality an issue in the 25th century in the realm of Star Trek I direct you to the many Star Trek novels that touches on the subject.

Look up the backstory of Lt. Sean Hawk.

tancrediiv · December 2015

Why does sexual preference in any way need to be discussed here or anywhere else in this game or forum? Your business and personal choices are yours, mine are mine. I don't know any of you, you don't know me and we are very unlikely to meet. It is doubtful any of us will change each other's minds on sexual preference issues so there is no reason for this subject to be outed. Just play the damn game and keep your fantasies in your own head and your own bed. Nuff said.

Devs, please close this thread.

doctornex · December 2015

kontarnus wrote: »

doctornex wrote: »

k20vtec wrote: »

In before lock and why Cropped= homosexual, clearly you are the one with prejudice.

As I said it has to do with gender identity which is clearly a homosexual/transsexual issue (as courts have found again and again). This is why students can wear traditionally-opposite-sex clothes at school, because wearing clothes that traditionally belong to the opposite sex is protected expression that is also intimately intertwined with one's gender identity.

Objectively, what you're saying is fine. The problem is that not everyone who plays this game will agree with you, and will violently disagree in this forum, sooner rather than later. Star Trek Online and Star Trek fandom, is not limited to those with liberal outlooks.

Frankly this is the same reason Star Trek has never had a TRIBBLE character, because Rick Berman was afraid of what the "mommies" would say.

http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/09/star-trek-next-generation-david-gerrold-blood-and-fire/

Gerrold claims that Berman didn’t want to air it for fear of “mommies” disagreeing with its content. Roddenberry’s lawyer, Leonard Maizlish — who had apparently taken it upon himself to assume a position as Roddenberry’s mouthpiece as his health failed — also disputed the episode. In a later confrontation, Gerrold claims that Maizlish called him “an AIDS-infected c*cksucker. A f*cking f*ggot.”

The fact that some people disagree with equality doesn't mean the rest of us should kowtow. There was a time that people were violently opposed to the concept of women serving in the military.

elothox · December 2015

Males can have no shirt at all on in the game. Females can't. Is this discrimination too? Uh... no. Men can't wear skirts in STO either, nor can they wear female Orion clothes. There are plenty of male/female locked swimsuits.

But you're going to pull this card on cropped jackets? Do better.

If you want to open a real discussion about the subject, do so, but this is far from one. This is much less likely an issue of discrimination, and more a matter of practicality.

Adding outfits in the game (and their textures and meshes) takes resources. And quite frankly they add things that they think people would want. (and spend time, or in some form, money to get)

There isn't a large demand for cross gender clothing in the game, so there's not justification for the resources to add them to the game.

It's only about time and money, and has nothing to do with homophobia/transphobia. It's the same reason there isn't a client in Norwegian. It isn't because Cryptic is 'anti-Norway' it's just there isn't a financial reason to make one.

hatepwe · December 2015

cidjack wrote: »

I seriously have no issue on other people's lifestylel. I stated the lock comment for a couple of reasons.

1.) insulting Cryptic does not lead to a postive experience on the forums.

2.) If you are going to ask for a change to the game it is best to provide a clear argument that provides evidence that can be backed up.

As for is homosexuality an issue in the 25th century in the realm of Star Trek I direct you to the many Star Trek novels that touches on the subject.

Look up the backstory of Lt. Sean Hawk.

Or the various references to Trip Tucker's brother and his brother's husband and their kid(s?). Though I'm the only person that watched Enterprise in this thread (some of the books are exceptional FYI)

darthraiderxxx · December 2015

Not getting your desired space barbie options does not equal discrimination. If anything, this thread belittles the problems people are facing that are actually being discriminated in any way.

gulberat · December 2015

Ignoring the other comments, unless we're talking Andorians, who don't have a serious hypothermia risk, doesn't the crop top winter jacket defeat the purpose of winter clothing regardless of gender? None of my toons use it because it seems highly impractical.

artan42 · December 2015

gulberat wrote: »

Unless we're talking Andorians, who don't have a serious hypothermia risk, doesn't the crop top winter jacket defeat the purpose of winter clothing regardless of gender? None of my toons use it because it seems highly impractical.

Other than the fact it looks stupid, that's the reason I don't get it. Not even on my Andorian female.

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kianazero · December 2015

hatepwe wrote: »

cidjack wrote: »

I seriously have no issue on other people's lifestylel. I stated the lock comment for a couple of reasons.

1.) insulting Cryptic does not lead to a postive experience on the forums.

2.) If you are going to ask for a change to the game it is best to provide a clear argument that provides evidence that can be backed up.

As for is homosexuality an issue in the 25th century in the realm of Star Trek I direct you to the many Star Trek novels that touches on the subject.

Look up the backstory of Lt. Sean Hawk.

Or the various references to Trip Tucker's brother and his brother's husband and their kid(s?). Though I'm the only person that watched Enterprise in this thread (some of the books are exceptional FYI)

Don't forget Enterprise F's XO, Samuel Winters is openly TRIBBLE (it's just not covered in-game). And then there's the Klingon TRIBBLE couple, B'Eler and Trevana.

Seriously, is homosexuality still an issue in the 25th century?

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