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bayonettawiccan
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You made this too much of a cash grab. You must have made it one in a million to get the vonph carrier. You could have made money with your ships and other things.
Gotta say, Perfect World, kinda shady, even for you.
Gotta say, Perfect World, kinda shady, even for you.
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Trust me, it's very different.
I have won most of the other ships by opening boxes. Trust me, I didn't spend half as much as I am currently.
Gods do people not realise the only person to blame if you fall into getting suckered by lock boxes is you! Nobody forces you to buy keys to gamble with and nobody forces you to chase after that rare ship.
If you want a rare item you gotta pay the price, it's entirely your call.
But I didn't make them so damned rare, so no, not my fault. And shut up if you have nothing other to contribute than simply 'don't buy it.' It's counterproductive and simplistic.
So no, not this. What you need to do is quit making excuses for the shady practices this game's got itself involved in.
According to some people that opened 1000s of boxes, the Vonph is 1/400 to drop and the Quas is 1/160. That's 2 "good" (depending on whether you think the Vonph is a dud or not) ships compared to a single one from previous lock boxes. YoH the 1 good ship was 1/200. Previous Lock boxes were 1/250.
On a side note, if the price is any indication, the Vonph is a dud. I've seen it being offered for a low of 600m a day or two a go. And for several days it was being offered at 650m. Wait another month and it will probably start showing up on the exchange lol.
I opened like 300 of them and I got nothing but crappy weapons packs and traits I've got no use for.
And seriously, some people opened up 1000s of these. Geez no wonder why they don't wanna change the system. Too many rich kids are playing this.
What's so shameless about it? It's gambling! And the probablities of getting a ship or any other item are common knowledge (and often posted only a few hours after a new lockbox is released). Have you ever played any other Free-to-play games? Believe me, the cash grabbing in STO is nowhere nearly as bad.
I don't like lock boxes, but I got this very simple efficient solution for that. I don't participate in the lock box lottery. Suggest you do the same.
Join the Deltas today!
I play both SWTOR and DCUO. There's cash grabbing in both games, but not nearly as bad or blatant. Also you're using the "it could be worse" argument. Just because there's worse issues in other games, doesn't exactly make the problems here go away.
It is called "Gamblers Fallacy".
I've started opening lock boxes about a month ago as I want to get some of the items you can only get with Lobi. Each weekend I open a few and to date it's probably been about 60 total I've opened, maybe 70. I've been fairly lucky so far. Got a Kemo 1 that I sold, got an Olaen Carrier, a D'Kora and a couple decent traits. Course, if I had been opening them wanting some ship I probably wouldn't have got any of that stuff lol
I understand not winning on the first (though some have) and even the 40th...but 300? come on now. That screams of a blatant cash grab.
Oh and it's she expects, fyi.
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Simple fact is this is all on you OP. You want the shiny ships you gotta pay the price, and that means buying or grinding out keys.
Nobody is forcing you to go after those ships and they definitely are not required to compete in this game.
Cryptic merely supplied the items, you must choose how much you spend chasing after those elusive rarities.
You could open one box and get a big prize straight away.
Or you could open every lockbox that ever existed in the game and win nothing but weapon packs.
Both still have the exact same chance and nothing will change that.
Now opening a larger number of boxes increases the likelihood of winning because it's a bigger sample size, but the chance per box is still exactly the same and that will never change.
But if all you're trying to say is that lock boxes are a cash grab. Then yeah. Everyone knows that already and if you play the game and lose and then still cry about it you just look foolish.
I believe Druk on this Forum a few weeks ago indicated that the odds were closer to 1/750 and not the normal 1/100 or so.
They have (and still do) the same with the Tuffli and the Cell Ship - an extra special prize. It may be, however, that the odds in the latter two cases are probably better than the 1/750.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Let's not forget, the $$ spent on those keys, where else could it go? Let's ask one of those "Feed the Children" campaigns how long $270 (assuming you got your keys on sale, but judging by your decision making processes displayed here, you spent more...) could feed a starving child in Africa. But no, you come bring your entitled little self into the forums and whine about your First World Problems. Heck, even in the First World, there are people who would be utterly flabbergasted that you blew that kind of money on a GAME. People having to decide if they'll pay their mortgage or buy their prescriptions, or pay for heat, or...
Go home, OP, you're... well the forum rules won't let me say. Go home, OP.
^^ This. I'm pretty confident the odds are the same as for any other lockbox.
And don't like the odds? Find someone in trade channel to sell it to you.
Then again, this isn't really suprising as it was mentioned with the release of the box that it would be a special and much rarer price.
For most people this means, btw, that the Quas cruiser will probably be a lot cheaper in some time than other lock box ships. So overall I guess this was an acceptable change to the boxes. One ultra-rare ship, and the rare ship (the Quas) will likely be affordable to more people. And as some have mentioned here: you always get lobi (except when you get a Vonph) and the Baltim raider is a nice ship too.
Don't blame us because you have the mind of goldfish.
I don't play SWTOR, cause it hates my computer, but I did play DC for several years, and their economy is really different. It's really subscriber based, and being premium's pretty painful, because of the cash cap. Their money grab is at the subscriber/free level. STO's pretty sweet for free players. (You want a top level ship? Do this easy game for 14 days. You want to buy c-store unlocks? Here's the dilithium exchange. And have a couple of T5 ships.)
Every time there's a special ship promotion, someone posts here that they spent some ridiculous amount of money opening lock boxes, and they didn't get the ship that they wanted. That's probability. Someone will probably post that they got both ships from the same box, first try. It almost always happens.
That's why you don't open lockboxes.
p is the probability of getting the thing you want, per box.
x is the total number of attempts. Not sequential, no memory of which is which, to be treated as one group.
If p isnt' 1 (100% chance), there will always be a chance you never get the prize. It may be astronomically small, but with finite chances you're never guaranteed the prize.
1/400 is 0.0025, so p = 0.0025. You tried 300 times, so x is 300. The overall chance of your 300 attempts at getting your prize at least once is 1-(1-0.0025)^300 which is 1 - .47192 = .52808, so a massive whopping 52% chance of getting your 1/400 ship at least once with 300 total tries.
Cue "But but Gambler's Fallacy!" cries.
p does not change. The formula doesn't care which attempt succeeds or which fails. Each attempt has a p chance of succeeding. What this formula tells you is that for a total of x tries, no more, no less, the chance of getting at least one success.
Wow OP, you're still arguing?
How many times does it need to be said?
It doesn't matter what the actual probability is for getting a Vonph from a lockbox.
If it's 1/400 or 1/150 or 1/50 ... it doesn't matter if you opened 300 boxes... you still are not GUARANTEED a Vonph.
Yes, EVENTUALLY, if you open enough, you'll get the ship, but there's absolutely no guarantee that you will get it within x number of boxes.
That's MATH.
It's like you're saying to someone:
"Your logical argument is logical, LOGIC SUCKS!, YOU'RE SIMPLISTIC! I HATE YOU!"
Come on now.