What was said or posted at any point in this event by any authority figure that could have possibly led any of you to assume this was ever going to be a dreadnought?
Sadly, this is similar to what occurred with the Valiant class - players convincing themselves of how something should be and then ranting that their personal interpretation/pipedream didn't come to pass.
Yup...entitlement and spoil running rampant...never saw the level of complaining over the Gal-X or Prometheus...like all the sudden around the release of the Valiant the level of entitlement went up 10 fold and when they didn't deliver on the delusion that it would get pilot maneuvers and a 5/2...people calling it useless and said it sucks.
Same thing with the Jupiter...people are delusional...people out of no where for no logical reason assumed it would be a Dreadnought...well it isn't and now people say it sucks.
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What was said or posted at any point in this event by any authority figure that could have possibly led any of you to assume this was ever going to be a dreadnought?
I concur. The Development Team CLEARLY was making a Carrier. Don't know why people would assume it would have a dreadnought set-up with 4/4. It's a carrier, meaning, limited armament. It's meant for long range tactical strikes with fighters and escorts, not a freaking dreadnought for ship to ship. Carriers operate poorly in Ship to Ship Combat, so they use their fighters and escorts for long range attacks.
it's replacing a KNOWN Dreadnought. ANd it's a T6 so they expect more for their money or effort.
For me insteadof a bunble have the commander slot be universal. gives the ship flexibility and a 4/3 layout for weapons. I wish the frigate pet was a miranda though.
Yeah...the NPC version (Since there is no player version was called a Dreadnought) well you know what? The NPC Vo'Quv is also called a Dreadnought...it's a 3/3 with 3 tac consoles as well.
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fool me once with the atrox, shame on me. fool me twice with this pos? sorry, I aint biting. I was SO excited to finally be able to upgrade my JHDC but no. there is literally NOTHING to make me want to switch ships. bad trait, bad console, bad console lay out, bad weapons layout, bad starship trait, bad pets....I mean there is literally nothing here that would make me want to change ships. It would have been nice to see trait that when you faw, or csv it makes your pets faw or csv instead of the current single target version, hell give me a trait that makes my pets fire hy or torp spread.....but transport torpedo? ugh gross. The pets dont even have a beam on them! how the hell am I supposed to make them BO when I BO? I cant. "oh but you can make them crf!" sure, if I want to use up one of the few precious tac slots this ship has with crf...and put cannons on the damn thing, then sure yeah I could do that....it would also suck balls as a ship, but that doesn't really seem to matter to cryptic.
What was said or posted at any point in this event by any authority figure that could have possibly led any of you to assume this was ever going to be a dreadnought?
I concur. The Development Team CLEARLY was making a Carrier. Don't know why people would assume it would have a dreadnought set-up with 4/4. It's a carrier, meaning, limited armament. It's meant for long range tactical strikes with fighters and escorts, not a freaking dreadnought for ship to ship. Carriers operate poorly in Ship to Ship Combat, so they use their fighters and escorts for long range attacks.
it's replacing a KNOWN Dreadnought. ANd it's a T6 so they expect more for their money or effort.
For me insteadof a bunble have the commander slot be universal. gives the ship flexibility and a 4/3 layout for weapons. I wish the frigate pet was a miranda though.
The Vo'Quv is also a Dreadnaught when used by NPCs. For players, it's a Carrier.
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I think I should get a medal or a drink for reading this whole thread.
I'm not sure who I should more sad for. Trendy, people who like science more then tactical, the KDF, Romulans, or people trying to turn a SCIENCE CARRIER into yet another dreadnought.
About that last part...
You see, Cryptic themselves said "Very early on, we were pretty sure this ship could potentially replace the Jupiter class Dreadnought."
So is it really too much to ask that the Jupiter V2.0 is actually a Jupiter V2.0, and not an Atrox V1.5?
If the original ship was a dreadnought why can't it's replacement be a dreadnought carrier, like the JHDC?
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You know what amazes me about the Development Team in this game?
Their total lack of knowdege about the actual game they freaking make happen.
How the heck can the Dev team say that the Federation side doesn't have enough Science ships? Oh my f**king god, do these people even sit down and play this game or even realize what the add to the game? It is totally 100% obvious they do not. Federation has MORE SCIENCE SHIPS THEN ALL THE OTHER DAMN FACTIONS COMBINED MAN, what the hell is wrong with you people?!
The only disappointment I see on this new Jupiter carrier is the 3/3 weapon layout. This is a T6, why are you people still with the damn 3/3 layout?! It makes no damn sense, we got the Jem'Hadar that is a T-5 ship with 2 hangers and 4/3. We got the damn Vonph that is a T6 with 2 hangers and 4/3. Seriously, how low is your IQ that you just couldn't make out that this new carrier had to be a 4/3 layout? With a 3/3 layout, what's the damn point of having the ability to use heavy cannons on it? Makes no damn sense.
The things these people bring to the game just amazes me even more and more.
I just wish and hope that it will stop and they will sit down and actually do things right instead of bringing out the same BS every single time.
The point is not if people are trying to turn it into a dreadnought, the freaking point is that this thing is massive so how the hell can it not have more damn weapons?! Don't get one thing confused with the other, stop getting it all twisted!
The Jem'Hadar, the Vonph and the Narcine too are escort carriers, that's why they have a 4/3. The Jupiter is a science carrier like the Recluse, the Vo'Quv or the Atrox. Also, Fed is a defensive faction. If you want a 4/3 carrier, go play Klg.
No, the first three you listed are Dreadnought Carriers, not escort carriers. And this ship is supposed to replace a Dreadnought, not some typical Sci Carrier.
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You know what amazes me about the Development Team in this game?
Their total lack of knowdege about the actual game they freaking make happen.
How the heck can the Dev team say that the Federation side doesn't have enough Science ships? Oh my f**king god, do these people even sit down and play this game or even realize what the add to the game? It is totally 100% obvious they do not. Federation has MORE SCIENCE SHIPS THEN ALL THE OTHER DAMN FACTIONS COMBINED MAN, what the hell is wrong with you people?!
The only disappointment I see on this new Jupiter carrier is the 3/3 weapon layout. This is a T6, why are you people still with the damn 3/3 layout?! It makes no damn sense, we got the Jem'Hadar that is a T-5 ship with 2 hangers and 4/3. We got the damn Vonph that is a T6 with 2 hangers and 4/3. Seriously, how low is your IQ that you just couldn't make out that this new carrier had to be a 4/3 layout? With a 3/3 layout, what's the damn point of having the ability to use heavy cannons on it? Makes no damn sense.
The things these people bring to the game just amazes me even more and more.
I just wish and hope that it will stop and they will sit down and actually do things right instead of bringing out the same BS every single time.
The point is not if people are trying to turn it into a dreadnought, the freaking point is that this thing is massive so how the hell can it not have more damn weapons?! Don't get one thing confused with the other, stop getting it all twisted!
The Jem'Hadar, the Vonph and the Narcine too are escort carriers, that's why they have a 4/3. The Jupiter is a science carrier like the Recluse, the Vo'Quv or the Atrox. Also, Fed is a defensive faction. If you want a 4/3 carrier, go play Klg.
No, the first three you listed are Dreadnought Carriers, not escort carriers. And this ship is supposed to replace a Dreadnought, not some typical Sci Carrier.
The Dreadnought Carriers are considered a more powerful class of carrier, while Escort carriers are the smallest. But this is a Science Carrier, bigger then Escort type carriers. And the Federation Jupiter-Class Carrier is not intended to be like the Dreadnought Carriers, it's a SCIENCE CARRIER, which have 3/3 layout unlike the 4/3 layout that comes with Dreadnought Carriers.
Additionally;
The Jupiter Class Carrier is the first of its kind to be built by Starfleet Engineering. It was designed to serve as a mobile fighter launching platform with durability and fleet support in mind.
Durability and Fleet Support, meaning it's not meant to be like the Dreadnought Carriers. It's meant to be a simple support carrier with science role.
...And this ship is supposed to replace a Dreadnought, not some typical Sci Carrier.
I say it again - the Jupiter Dreadnought NPC ship is the exact same as the Voquv Dreadnought NPC ship. There was simply nothing to compare the Jupiter to in terms of playable ships before now, which is why the general assumption is that it should be a Dreadnought - contrarily, there was and still is a playable ship to which the Voquv Dreadnought can be compared with, and that is the Voquv Carrier.
Just because the ship is ranked as a Dreadnought in the NPC classifications, does not mean that it must and should be a Dreadnought when/if that ship is ever released to the players. EDIT: Must I also point out that the NPC Recluse Carrier is classed as a Battleship? Yet the playable Tholian Recluse Carrier is a Science Carrier.
I think I should get a medal or a drink for reading this whole thread.
I'm not sure who I should more sad for. Trendy, people who like science more then tactical, the KDF, Romulans, or people trying to turn a SCIENCE CARRIER into yet another dreadnought.
About that last part...
You see, Cryptic themselves said "Very early on, we were pretty sure this ship could potentially replace the Jupiter class Dreadnought."
So is it really too much to ask that the Jupiter V2.0 is actually a Jupiter V2.0, and not an Atrox V1.5?
If the original ship was a dreadnought why can't it's replacement be a dreadnought carrier, like the JHDC?
I don't remember that...but either way the Jupiter is a NPC Dreadnought...same category the Vo'Quv is in.
Well, for one thing, no one should have really expected it to be on par with lockbox/lobi ships... Who would buy those, if they could get the same performance out of relatively easily farmable 3k of zen? Also, since com sci and lt uni were pretty much a given, and support vessel like a carrier basically *needs* lt com engi to be "supportive", it didn't leave much to move around... Like the only possible alternative could be ltcom tac + ens sci instead of lt tac + lt sci, plus variants with command instead of intel...
You know what amazes me about the Development Team in this game?
Their total lack of knowdege about the actual game they freaking make happen.
How the heck can the Dev team say that the Federation side doesn't have enough Science ships? Oh my f**king god, do these people even sit down and play this game or even realize what the add to the game? It is totally 100% obvious they do not. Federation has MORE SCIENCE SHIPS THEN ALL THE OTHER DAMN FACTIONS COMBINED MAN, what the hell is wrong with you people?!
The only disappointment I see on this new Jupiter carrier is the 3/3 weapon layout. This is a T6, why are you people still with the damn 3/3 layout?! It makes no damn sense, we got the Jem'Hadar that is a T-5 ship with 2 hangers and 4/3. We got the damn Vonph that is a T6 with 2 hangers and 4/3. Seriously, how low is your IQ that you just couldn't make out that this new carrier had to be a 4/3 layout? With a 3/3 layout, what's the damn point of having the ability to use heavy cannons on it? Makes no damn sense.
The things these people bring to the game just amazes me even more and more.
I just wish and hope that it will stop and they will sit down and actually do things right instead of bringing out the same BS every single time.
The point is not if people are trying to turn it into a dreadnought, the freaking point is that this thing is massive so how the hell can it not have more damn weapons?! Don't get one thing confused with the other, stop getting it all twisted!
The Jem'Hadar, the Vonph and the Narcine too are escort carriers, that's why they have a 4/3. The Jupiter is a science carrier like the Recluse, the Vo'Quv or the Atrox. Also, Fed is a defensive faction. If you want a 4/3 carrier, go play Klg.
No, the first three you listed are Dreadnought Carriers, not escort carriers. And this ship is supposed to replace a Dreadnought, not some typical Sci Carrier.
The Dreadnought Carriers are considered a more powerful class of carrier, while Escort carriers are the smallest. But this is a Science Carrier, bigger then Escort type carriers. And the Federation Jupiter-Class Carrier is not intended to be like the Dreadnought Carriers, it's a SCIENCE CARRIER, which have 3/3 layout unlike the 4/3 layout that comes with Dreadnought Carriers.
Additionally;
The Jupiter Class Carrier is the first of its kind to be built by Starfleet Engineering. It was designed to serve as a mobile fighter launching platform with durability and fleet support in mind.
No that's what your saying.. they never said it was going to be a sci carrier.. what they said was a replacement for the Jupiter DREADNOUGHT.. not the Jupiter sci ship... so its not really a surprise that people expected one of the largest newest ships the Starfeet would be a dreadnought carrier.... nothing about the old Jupiter was sci based anything... This ship should be like a Narcine oh Jem dread carrier... I could live with it slow turn rate.. give it some flavor as a big dread carrier...
I have the Atrox.. and I never use it.. haven't for a long long time... this just seems to be Atrox 2.0.. Like others I was 100% for getting this ship and now I'm very heavily reconsidering getting it.. as the Atrox for me was not fun to play.. but I really liked my Narcine and Jem Dread carriers.. if they make this a dread carrier I would buy it in a heart beat.
No that's what your saying.. they never said it was going to be a sci carrier.. what they said was a replacement for the Jupiter DREADNOUGHT.. not the Jupiter sci ship... so its not really a surprise that people expected one of the largest newest ships the Starfeet would be a dreadnought carrier.... nothing about the old Jupiter was sci based anything... This ship should be like a Narcine oh Jem dread carrier... I could live with it slow turn rate.. give it some flavor as a big dread carrier...
I have the Atrox.. and I never use it.. haven't for a long long time... this just seems to be Atrox 2.0.. Like others I was 100% for getting this ship and now I'm very heavily reconsidering getting it.. as the Atrox for me was not fun to play.. but I really liked my Narcine and Jem Dread carriers.. if they make this a dread carrier I would buy it in a heart beat.
I hate to burst your bubble, but from Day 1 of the Design Phase this was going to be a Carrier. In addition, as @lianthelia pointed out, the Jupiter Dreadnought NPC uses multiple science abilities - if it were a Dreadnought Carrier as opposed to a Pure Carrier, those abilities would be far more tactically-flavoured. Also, all playable carriers to-date have been science-focused unless they were the grand prize for a lockbox/lobi store release a la the Dreadnought Carriers.
And to people saying it needs extra tac consoles or weapons or a Lt. Com tac seat.....try flying something without all that for once and see if you can enjoy it before slagging off something you've never tried.
By what arrogance do you assume we have not? I have 13 toons, and have flown all manner of ships with all types of officers. I don't need fighters on a science ship, and I see no point in (another) science-centric carrier.
So is it really too much to ask that the Jupiter V2.0 is actually a Jupiter V2.0, and not an Atrox V1.5?
Yes. It is. Because you were told, from the very beginning, that this was going to be a carrier. Not a Dreadnought. Not explicitly an upgraded Jupiter. A carrier. You idiots voted for the Jupiter-esque design, decided for yourselves it would be a Jupiter Dreadnought, and are acting disappointing when it turned out to be exactly the thing they promised instead of the thing you deluded yourselves into thinking it was going to be.
So is it really too much to ask that the Jupiter V2.0 is actually a Jupiter V2.0, and not an Atrox V1.5?
Yes. It is. Because you were told, from the very beginning, that this was going to be a carrier. Not a Dreadnought. Not explicitly an upgraded Jupiter. A carrier. You idiots voted for the Jupiter-esque design, decided for yourselves it would be a Jupiter Dreadnought, and are acting disappointing when it turned out to be exactly the thing they promised instead of the thing you deluded yourselves into thinking it was going to be.
You know I didn't think about it till you mentioned it...makes me wonder if people voted for it because they thought it would be some kind of a Dreadnought...ROFL...silly people.
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1: Thanks for replacing that eyesore NPC with something nicer.
2: Is the Jupiter going to be bigger than the Odyssey? The in-game lore says the Odyssey is the biggest starship that Starfleet has built, thus making an exception for the Atrox, which was a Caitian (not Starfleet) design.
I would think it would be larger then the oddy , and i think the in game lore needs some reworking i read some of it recently and it just doesnt match up to current in game events.
I think I should get a medal or a drink for reading this whole thread.
I'm not sure who I should more sad for. Trendy, people who like science more then tactical, the KDF, Romulans, or people trying to turn a SCIENCE CARRIER into yet another dreadnought.
About that last part...
You see, Cryptic themselves said "Very early on, we were pretty sure this ship could potentially replace the Jupiter class Dreadnought."
So is it really too much to ask that the Jupiter V2.0 is actually a Jupiter V2.0, and not an Atrox V1.5?
If the original ship was a dreadnought why can't it's replacement be a dreadnought carrier, like the JHDC?
I don't remember that...but either way the Jupiter is a NPC Dreadnought...same category the Vo'Quv is in.
Golly...would you look at that...the Jupiter uses multiple Science abilities!
So please...stop with the Dreadnought junk.
In fact, the NPC Jupiter was never even a Carrier.
It just always made sense for that ship to be a Carrier, because it just... looked like one. The whole design just seemed to say "hey, if Star Trek had actually Carriers, and Starfleet had them too, this ship looks like something that could be a Carrier." But in game, it was just a Dreadnought with a few science abilities, no pets IIRC.
It was originally also the command ship at the Battle Group Omega, until it was replaced by the Galaxy-X.
The Vo'Quv however was a player carrier, with no talk of Dreadnought in the name, but the NPC version was a Carrier and a Dreadnought.
Ultimately, NPC ship classifications do not necessarily mean much for player ship classification and stats. The Bird of Prey is after all both a frigate type ship and pet, but also a Raider that can bring as much firepower and destruction to the table as a playable Carrier.
The contest was always about a Federation Carrier. Not a Dreadnought. That one of the designs was inspired by the Jupiter didn'T mean that if they end up taking that design, it would become a dreadnought.
I think the only real surprise is that it's not a Command ship. I think Carriers as Command ship make perfect sense. But I suppose Intel might make a bit of sense if we assume it's also send to do recon/exploration missions. (Load it up with Delta Flyers and Runabouts then.)
Still wish they would actually create some drone/probe type pets, instead of all those flying coffins.
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Not to ruin any ongoing arguments, but I want to write something so yeah.
I was wondering why call this ship the "U.S.S. Jupiter" rather than the U.S.S. Omega? (which of course, isn't an issue at all ... just me doing history study when I came across a coincidence).
Well, anyway, as we are all too well aware, this ship is going to be a full-fledged carrier. So, how to name it. Let's pretend that Cryptic never made the Jupiter-Dreadnought, and think alternatively. One reason for Jupiter was that the planet of its namesake is massive, and has many "pets" or moons of its own. Besides that, and this is all just a coincidence, the name Jupiter goes back to another carrier ... The U.S.S. Langley CV-1. While not called a "Jupiter-Class" the Langley was built from the Collier Ship "U.S.S. Jupiter". A very historically based reason why Starfleet would name the ship the way they did, and highly improbable ... but hey, free history lesson!
Also, story-wise, if we are marching towards an era of exploration, it would make sense for starfleet to build something sciencey and explorey, not a friggin dreadnaught of pewpewy doom :-D
I would think it would be larger then the oddy , and i think the in game lore needs some reworking i read some of it recently and it just doesnt match up to current in game events.
I'll just leave my comment here from a prev. page @jorantomalak
In-game an acquaintance in my armada shared a link to a Twitter post that compared the new Jupie (yes, I'm coining that! ^^) to an Intrepid. There was a length included as well.
It said 1466m.
For reference, the Sovie is somewhere between 685-700m long, and the Oddy is roughly 1000m.
I think I should get a medal or a drink for reading this whole thread.
I'm not sure who I should more sad for. Trendy, people who like science more then tactical, the KDF, Romulans, or people trying to turn a SCIENCE CARRIER into yet another dreadnought.
About that last part...
You see, Cryptic themselves said "Very early on, we were pretty sure this ship could potentially replace the Jupiter class Dreadnought."
So is it really too much to ask that the Jupiter V2.0 is actually a Jupiter V2.0, and not an Atrox V1.5?
If the original ship was a dreadnought why can't it's replacement be a dreadnought carrier, like the JHDC?
Quite simply?
Because it doesn't have to.
People don't have to like the answer, but that is the answer.
1: Thanks for replacing that eyesore NPC with something nicer.
2: Is the Jupiter going to be bigger than the Odyssey? The in-game lore says the Odyssey is the biggest starship that Starfleet has built, thus making an exception for the Atrox, which was a Caitian (not Starfleet) design.
I would think it would be larger then the oddy , and i think the in game lore needs some reworking i read some of it recently and it just doesnt match up to current in game events.
The official length of the Jupiter is 1466 meters long.
Yes. It is. Because you were told, from the very beginning, that this was going to be a carrier. Not a Dreadnought. Not explicitly an upgraded Jupiter. A carrier. You idiots voted for the Jupiter-esque design, decided for yourselves it would be a Jupiter Dreadnought, and are acting disappointing when it turned out to be exactly the thing they promised instead of the thing you deluded yourselves into thinking it was going to be.
I'm throwing all my upvotes at my screen but nothing's happening!
So is it really too much to ask that the Jupiter V2.0 is actually a Jupiter V2.0, and not an Atrox V1.5?
Yes. It is. Because you were told, from the very beginning, that this was going to be a carrier. Not a Dreadnought. Not explicitly an upgraded Jupiter. A carrier. You idiots voted for the Jupiter-esque design, decided for yourselves it would be a Jupiter Dreadnought, and are acting disappointing when it turned out to be exactly the thing they promised instead of the thing you deluded yourselves into thinking it was going to be.
So I'm an idiot for thinking logically, that if the Klingons already have both a Science focused carrier and a Tactical focused carrier, that the Federation's new carrier would not be another Science focused carrier, which they already have?
For the record, I've always hated the Jupiter, its ugly. But for years some of us have wanted a Kar'Fi for the federation side, We came so close to that possibility, its understandable that some would be upset. We already have a Sci carrier. Why not have a ship that we can buy that is tactical focused and does not cost hundreds of millions of EC or countless real dollars in lock boxes?
So is it really too much to ask that the Jupiter V2.0 is actually a Jupiter V2.0, and not an Atrox V1.5?
Yes. It is. Because you were told, from the very beginning, that this was going to be a carrier. Not a Dreadnought. Not explicitly an upgraded Jupiter. A carrier. You idiots voted for the Jupiter-esque design, decided for yourselves it would be a Jupiter Dreadnought, and are acting disappointing when it turned out to be exactly the thing they promised instead of the thing you deluded yourselves into thinking it was going to be.
So I'm an idiot for thinking logically, that if the Klingons already have both a Science focused carrier and a Tactical focused carrier, that the Federation's new carrier would not be another Science focused carrier, which they already have?
For the record, I've always hated the Jupiter, its ugly. But for years some of us have wanted a Kar'Fi for the federation side, We came so close to that possibility, its understandable that some would be upset. We already have a Sci carrier. Why not have a ship that we can buy that is tactical focused and does not cost hundreds of millions of EC or countless real dollars in lock boxes?
Isn't this already existing ship pretty much exactly what you're looking for? Heavy Escort Carrier T6
So is it really too much to ask that the Jupiter V2.0 is actually a Jupiter V2.0, and not an Atrox V1.5?
Yes. It is. Because you were told, from the very beginning, that this was going to be a carrier. Not a Dreadnought. Not explicitly an upgraded Jupiter. A carrier. You idiots voted for the Jupiter-esque design, decided for yourselves it would be a Jupiter Dreadnought, and are acting disappointing when it turned out to be exactly the thing they promised instead of the thing you deluded yourselves into thinking it was going to be.
So I'm an idiot for thinking logically, that if the Klingons already have both a Science focused carrier and a Tactical focused carrier, that the Federation's new carrier would not be another Science focused carrier, which they already have?
For the record, I've always hated the Jupiter, its ugly. But for years some of us have wanted a Kar'Fi for the federation side, We came so close to that possibility, its understandable that some would be upset. We already have a Sci carrier. Why not have a ship that we can buy that is tactical focused and does not cost hundreds of millions of EC or countless real dollars in lock boxes?
Isn't this already existing ship pretty much exactly what you're looking for? Heavy Escort Carrier T6
You know how it goes - it doesn't have two hangar bays and cannot launch frigates, hence it's not a "true" carrier ;-)
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Yup...entitlement and spoil running rampant...never saw the level of complaining over the Gal-X or Prometheus...like all the sudden around the release of the Valiant the level of entitlement went up 10 fold and when they didn't deliver on the delusion that it would get pilot maneuvers and a 5/2...people calling it useless and said it sucks.
Same thing with the Jupiter...people are delusional...people out of no where for no logical reason assumed it would be a Dreadnought...well it isn't and now people say it sucks.
Yeah...the NPC version (Since there is no player version was called a Dreadnought) well you know what? The NPC Vo'Quv is also called a Dreadnought...it's a 3/3 with 3 tac consoles as well.
I agree 100%
The Vo'Quv is also a Dreadnaught when used by NPCs. For players, it's a Carrier.
Mhm. Even the NPC Oddysey Class is called a Dreadnought when it's really a Flagship-type for players.
About that last part...
You see, Cryptic themselves said "Very early on, we were pretty sure this ship could potentially replace the Jupiter class Dreadnought."
So is it really too much to ask that the Jupiter V2.0 is actually a Jupiter V2.0, and not an Atrox V1.5?
If the original ship was a dreadnought why can't it's replacement be a dreadnought carrier, like the JHDC?
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No, the first three you listed are Dreadnought Carriers, not escort carriers. And this ship is supposed to replace a Dreadnought, not some typical Sci Carrier.
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The Dreadnought Carriers are considered a more powerful class of carrier, while Escort carriers are the smallest. But this is a Science Carrier, bigger then Escort type carriers. And the Federation Jupiter-Class Carrier is not intended to be like the Dreadnought Carriers, it's a SCIENCE CARRIER, which have 3/3 layout unlike the 4/3 layout that comes with Dreadnought Carriers.
Additionally; Durability and Fleet Support, meaning it's not meant to be like the Dreadnought Carriers. It's meant to be a simple support carrier with science role.
I say it again - the Jupiter Dreadnought NPC ship is the exact same as the Voquv Dreadnought NPC ship. There was simply nothing to compare the Jupiter to in terms of playable ships before now, which is why the general assumption is that it should be a Dreadnought - contrarily, there was and still is a playable ship to which the Voquv Dreadnought can be compared with, and that is the Voquv Carrier.
Just because the ship is ranked as a Dreadnought in the NPC classifications, does not mean that it must and should be a Dreadnought when/if that ship is ever released to the players. EDIT: Must I also point out that the NPC Recluse Carrier is classed as a Battleship? Yet the playable Tholian Recluse Carrier is a Science Carrier.
I don't remember that...but either way the Jupiter is a NPC Dreadnought...same category the Vo'Quv is in.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Jupiter_Class_Dreadnought
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Vo'Quv_Dreadnought
Golly...would you look at that...the Jupiter uses multiple Science abilities!
So please...stop with the Dreadnought junk.
No that's what your saying.. they never said it was going to be a sci carrier.. what they said was a replacement for the Jupiter DREADNOUGHT.. not the Jupiter sci ship... so its not really a surprise that people expected one of the largest newest ships the Starfeet would be a dreadnought carrier.... nothing about the old Jupiter was sci based anything... This ship should be like a Narcine oh Jem dread carrier... I could live with it slow turn rate.. give it some flavor as a big dread carrier...
I have the Atrox.. and I never use it.. haven't for a long long time... this just seems to be Atrox 2.0.. Like others I was 100% for getting this ship and now I'm very heavily reconsidering getting it.. as the Atrox for me was not fun to play.. but I really liked my Narcine and Jem Dread carriers.. if they make this a dread carrier I would buy it in a heart beat.
Most unexpectedly, this turned into a flame-fest! Closed it goes!. /sigh What flamefestery is this? pwlaughingtrendy
There never was a playable Jupiter in the game, so no, you can't.
I hate to burst your bubble, but from Day 1 of the Design Phase this was going to be a Carrier. In addition, as @lianthelia pointed out, the Jupiter Dreadnought NPC uses multiple science abilities - if it were a Dreadnought Carrier as opposed to a Pure Carrier, those abilities would be far more tactically-flavoured. Also, all playable carriers to-date have been science-focused unless they were the grand prize for a lockbox/lobi store release a la the Dreadnought Carriers.
By what arrogance do you assume we have not? I have 13 toons, and have flown all manner of ships with all types of officers. I don't need fighters on a science ship, and I see no point in (another) science-centric carrier.
Yes. It is. Because you were told, from the very beginning, that this was going to be a carrier. Not a Dreadnought. Not explicitly an upgraded Jupiter. A carrier. You idiots voted for the Jupiter-esque design, decided for yourselves it would be a Jupiter Dreadnought, and are acting disappointing when it turned out to be exactly the thing they promised instead of the thing you deluded yourselves into thinking it was going to be.
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You know I didn't think about it till you mentioned it...makes me wonder if people voted for it because they thought it would be some kind of a Dreadnought...ROFL...silly people.
I would think it would be larger then the oddy , and i think the in game lore needs some reworking i read some of it recently and it just doesnt match up to current in game events.
In fact, the NPC Jupiter was never even a Carrier.
It just always made sense for that ship to be a Carrier, because it just... looked like one. The whole design just seemed to say "hey, if Star Trek had actually Carriers, and Starfleet had them too, this ship looks like something that could be a Carrier." But in game, it was just a Dreadnought with a few science abilities, no pets IIRC.
It was originally also the command ship at the Battle Group Omega, until it was replaced by the Galaxy-X.
The Vo'Quv however was a player carrier, with no talk of Dreadnought in the name, but the NPC version was a Carrier and a Dreadnought.
Ultimately, NPC ship classifications do not necessarily mean much for player ship classification and stats. The Bird of Prey is after all both a frigate type ship and pet, but also a Raider that can bring as much firepower and destruction to the table as a playable Carrier.
The contest was always about a Federation Carrier. Not a Dreadnought. That one of the designs was inspired by the Jupiter didn'T mean that if they end up taking that design, it would become a dreadnought.
I think the only real surprise is that it's not a Command ship. I think Carriers as Command ship make perfect sense. But I suppose Intel might make a bit of sense if we assume it's also send to do recon/exploration missions. (Load it up with Delta Flyers and Runabouts then.)
Still wish they would actually create some drone/probe type pets, instead of all those flying coffins.
I was wondering why call this ship the "U.S.S. Jupiter" rather than the U.S.S. Omega? (which of course, isn't an issue at all ... just me doing history study when I came across a coincidence).
Well, anyway, as we are all too well aware, this ship is going to be a full-fledged carrier. So, how to name it. Let's pretend that Cryptic never made the Jupiter-Dreadnought, and think alternatively. One reason for Jupiter was that the planet of its namesake is massive, and has many "pets" or moons of its own. Besides that, and this is all just a coincidence, the name Jupiter goes back to another carrier ... The U.S.S. Langley CV-1. While not called a "Jupiter-Class" the Langley was built from the Collier Ship "U.S.S. Jupiter". A very historically based reason why Starfleet would name the ship the way they did, and highly improbable ... but hey, free history lesson!
I'll just leave my comment here from a prev. page @jorantomalak
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Found it!
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
Quite simply?
Because it doesn't have to.
People don't have to like the answer, but that is the answer.
The official length of the Jupiter is 1466 meters long.
Odyssey is about 1000 meters long. so yeah its larger than the Odyssey.
I'm throwing all my upvotes at my screen but nothing's happening!
So I'm an idiot for thinking logically, that if the Klingons already have both a Science focused carrier and a Tactical focused carrier, that the Federation's new carrier would not be another Science focused carrier, which they already have?
For the record, I've always hated the Jupiter, its ugly. But for years some of us have wanted a Kar'Fi for the federation side, We came so close to that possibility, its understandable that some would be upset. We already have a Sci carrier. Why not have a ship that we can buy that is tactical focused and does not cost hundreds of millions of EC or countless real dollars in lock boxes?
Isn't this already existing ship pretty much exactly what you're looking for?
Heavy Escort Carrier T6
You know how it goes - it doesn't have two hangar bays and cannot launch frigates, hence it's not a "true" carrier ;-)