BTW: Smaller auxiliary nacelles could be used to modify the warp field to allow for frigate deployment at warp speed (make it temporarily bigger, so that frigates have some room to engage their own warp engines and safely fly away from the ship).
Who cares what it looks like, although I am quite happy with the work on the model you chose that I did not like as the contest progressed. Can I just get my carrier with a real bridge? The Obelisk is annoying and lacks a ready room... you have to have a desk you can sit down at on a fed starship where /facepalm and /doublefacepalm can occur without the crew watching.
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I would of found this "designing" better if we the players could choose EACH PART of the ship that was going to become the whole ship. All we did was just choose from pre-made ships that were created by the DEVELOPMENT TEAM. This is just another damn ship by Cryptic, not us.
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I found it rather funny some of the early concepts were basically Mirandas or Scryers from the top view. And that the final carrier concept happened to basically be a modernized take on the Jupiter (and of course, won).
Glad to see the Omega getting one step closer to joining us. Like another commenter said though; I preferred the flatter Eclipse-style nacelles. The current ones are a little ugly. Here's hoping it releases with the original flat nacelles as an alternate config option.
Now just one of two remaining set options will make this a guaranteed day-1 buy:
Option 1: Have frigates, a 2ndary deflector, and be a Sci-oriented Carrier
Option 2: Have frigates and be a Tac-oriented carrier
Anything less and it'll become a maybe-buy depending on stats.
Judging just from the way it looks, I'm starting to suspect that the frigate level pets we may see with this thing will essentially be some kind of..... super-heavy assault fighters. They'll still be relatively small craft, but I imagine with heftier weaponry and maybe some Specialization powers (Pilot tree is a likely suspect here).
I'm personally wishing for Elite Phantoms with SS3 and Ionic Turbulence or Elite Pilot ships with Pilot Maneuvers. One can wish.
By default, it would come with a set of Defiant frigates (with the torpedo barrage console used every 2 minutes they're alive and in combat). The Advanced ships would be the Alita/Armitage (with both point-defense consoles and serve as anti-fighter/anti-frigate/anti-HY torp "frigates"). But the Elites would be either Elite Phantoms or Elite Pilot ships.
Have the stats for this new ship been released yet? It's silly that you have to ask why the Feds need a carrier- there's a reason the Caitian Atrox exists. Of course, a T6 carrier if done well could certainly fill a niche
I have just a few questions, ok, well...... two to be fair
1. is that a Third Hangar bay i see above the Deflector Dish?
2. Will this ship be able to launch Frigates? ( doesn't even matter if they are only Mirandas or the NX class, would still be cool to have o.o )
Anyways, My name for this ship ( not a Class name, mind you, just one i will name it ), U.S.S. All Under Heaven
I really hope it's a tactical-engineering carrier. I really get a kick out of the comments asking for it to be science based. You do know the Federation already has a Sci Carrier, right? Granted, it's not tier 6, but there hasn't been an engineering based carrier yet (Yes, I realize the Fed Gal-X has a hanger, but that was an afterthought. It wasn't designed to be a carrier, at least not like the Atrox or the T-5 and T-6 Akira.)
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I didn't really like the initial design that was picked but in that last picture it look gorgeous. That's gotta be one of the most detailed ships I've seen in game.
I'm not a fan of the smaller secondary nacelles but hopefully it can be like the Prometheus and Eclipse and have them swapped about to match etc.
Now a lot rests on the stats of the thing and it's abilities etc but it does look mighty appealing right now.
Thanks for the view into the design process; I always enjoy these articles. I like the design. I thought I saw a bit of NX/Akira in there too. Working on original designs are important to the creative process but it's nice to see continuity and allusions to canon design at the same time.
I really hope it's a tactical-engineering carrier. I really get a kick out of the comments asking for it to be science based. You do know the Federation already has a Sci Carrier, right? Granted, it's not tier 6, but there hasn't been an engineering based carrier yet (Yes, I realize the Fed Gal-X has a hanger, but that was an afterthought. It wasn't designed to be a carrier, at least not like the Atrox or the T-5 and T-6 Akira.)
The Obelisk is actually an Engie-focused carrier.
And I doubt anyone is trying to say the Gal-X is a carrier, as it seems that dreadnoughts now seem to have a hangar bay tacked on to launch support craft of some kind.
Cool!
So what is the purpose of the smaller lower nacelles?
Well, if we know what quad nacelles are for, maybe we had a bit more of an idea, but as it is, we can only make stuff up.
My favorite is: The secondary nacelles are basically to have more control over the warp field the ship generates, allowing it also to extent the field so that ships can be deployed even at high warp, and the ship can also perform docking maneuvers with considerably more safety and easier procedures at warp than would be normal (where it's a complicated and somewhat dangerous maneuver). The ship might even be able to carry smaller ships like a Nova, Icarus or Defiant in its extended warp field, even though they 'd never fit inside the hangar bays.
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but the eighth was designed with some cues from the Jupiter class in mind.
Rigged. The moment that design made it in... the whole contest was a farce. Nice to know the truth though.
I still remember saying that the numbers weren't matching in the last vote session and that alpha every hour was losing a few votes at a time, I did some snipping of it for picture references and was told it wasn't rigged, dunno how votes vanish but they did,
doesn't really matter, I am happy for the Jupiter fans that still think its a Jupiter so they can toss money at cryptic for it, as I said, ill stick with my vesta and blow the new carrier up after doing about 20 laps around it first before it gets its second bay launched.
but the eighth was designed with some cues from the Jupiter class in mind.
Rigged. The moment that design made it in... the whole contest was a farce. Nice to know the truth though.
Bah, that's just silly. How else were they to approach it? They took the most sensible road, by far. They put together one design that built on an existing and well-loved design. How could they not? They put together a number of fresh designs to bring new ideas to the table as well. How could they not? Then they opened the selection process up to the community, even. This they certainly didn't have to do, but they chose to make it fun and meaningful. I don't see how they've "rigged" the process at all. I'm not personally fond of the previous Jupiter, and I didn't actually vote for this incarnation either. However I can't even begin to complain about the process that brought it about. I had my vote. So did everyone else. I'm in the minority opinion, and I'm okay with that. I suggest you get okay with it, too. The alternative is just bad feelings and irritation.
It doesn't make me want to own the carrier as much as it makes me want to sit down with Blender and start cranking out my own ships. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing. Blender doesn't have a learning curve so much as a learning cliff.
but the eighth was designed with some cues from the Jupiter class in mind.
Rigged. The moment that design made it in... the whole contest was a farce. Nice to know the truth though.
It'd be nice if you can toss in some kind of proof to back that up.
Its right there int he quote in my post... where the one design that won, happens to be the design taking cues from the one ship in the game that everyone has had a hard on for since the beginning.
but the eighth was designed with some cues from the Jupiter class in mind.
Rigged. The moment that design made it in... the whole contest was a farce. Nice to know the truth though.
Bah, that's just silly. How else were they to approach it? They took the most sensible road, by far. They put together one design that built on an existing and well-loved design. How could they not? They put together a number of fresh designs to bring new ideas to the table as well. How could they not? Then they opened the selection process up to the community, even. This they certainly didn't have to do, but they chose to make it fun and meaningful. I don't see how they've "rigged" the process at all. I'm not personally fond of the previous Jupiter, and I didn't actually vote for this incarnation either. However I can't even begin to complain about the process that brought it about. I had my vote. So did everyone else. I'm in the minority opinion, and I'm okay with that. I suggest you get okay with it, too. The alternative is just bad feelings and irritation.
How else were they to approach it? By not including a design taking any cues from a ship in the game. By including one design that takes cues from another design in game, (and one design that a great amount of people love), youve automatically biased the results of any contest toward that design, and against any of the others.
If the Jupiter had never existed, and this design won, I would be unhappy but atleast every design would have had its fair chance and I would have felt like my voice actually mattered in the process. With the Jupiter existing however it skews the results and any contest that was had was just going through the motions to get one design done, and anyone who voted for anything other than Omega didnt actually matter in the grand scheme of it.
This feels less like I had a choice in the design and more like the ship team wanted to redo the Jupiter, but didnt have the free time to do it on their own, so they had to get it through other means.
This was a poor contest. Not because my favourite design lost. But because not all of the designs were impartial. One design clearly had a bias. That one design won, not because it was objectively better (not even because it was subjectively better), it won because it was partially based on an earlier ship in game. Thats not how you run a contest. And any contest run that way is rigged. Just as this one was.
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Glad to see the Omega getting one step closer to joining us. Like another commenter said though; I preferred the flatter Eclipse-style nacelles. The current ones are a little ugly. Here's hoping it releases with the original flat nacelles as an alternate config option.
Now just one of two remaining set options will make this a guaranteed day-1 buy:
Option 1: Have frigates, a 2ndary deflector, and be a Sci-oriented Carrier
Option 2: Have frigates and be a Tac-oriented carrier
Anything less and it'll become a maybe-buy depending on stats.
By default, it would come with a set of Defiant frigates (with the torpedo barrage console used every 2 minutes they're alive and in combat). The Advanced ships would be the Alita/Armitage (with both point-defense consoles and serve as anti-fighter/anti-frigate/anti-HY torp "frigates"). But the Elites would be either Elite Phantoms or Elite Pilot ships.
Rigged. The moment that design made it in... the whole contest was a farce. Nice to know the truth though.
I'll give that a +1. Waaay better with 2.
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1. is that a Third Hangar bay i see above the Deflector Dish?
2. Will this ship be able to launch Frigates? ( doesn't even matter if they are only Mirandas or the NX class, would still be cool to have o.o )
Anyways, My name for this ship ( not a Class name, mind you, just one i will name it ), U.S.S. All Under Heaven
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I'm not a fan of the smaller secondary nacelles but hopefully it can be like the Prometheus and Eclipse and have them swapped about to match etc.
Now a lot rests on the stats of the thing and it's abilities etc but it does look mighty appealing right now.
The Obelisk is actually an Engie-focused carrier.
And I doubt anyone is trying to say the Gal-X is a carrier, as it seems that dreadnoughts now seem to have a hangar bay tacked on to launch support craft of some kind.
It'd be nice if you can toss in some kind of proof to back that up.
My favorite is: The secondary nacelles are basically to have more control over the warp field the ship generates, allowing it also to extent the field so that ships can be deployed even at high warp, and the ship can also perform docking maneuvers with considerably more safety and easier procedures at warp than would be normal (where it's a complicated and somewhat dangerous maneuver). The ship might even be able to carry smaller ships like a Nova, Icarus or Defiant in its extended warp field, even though they 'd never fit inside the hangar bays.
I still remember saying that the numbers weren't matching in the last vote session and that alpha every hour was losing a few votes at a time, I did some snipping of it for picture references and was told it wasn't rigged, dunno how votes vanish but they did,
doesn't really matter, I am happy for the Jupiter fans that still think its a Jupiter so they can toss money at cryptic for it, as I said, ill stick with my vesta and blow the new carrier up after doing about 20 laps around it first before it gets its second bay launched.
Bah, that's just silly. How else were they to approach it? They took the most sensible road, by far. They put together one design that built on an existing and well-loved design. How could they not? They put together a number of fresh designs to bring new ideas to the table as well. How could they not? Then they opened the selection process up to the community, even. This they certainly didn't have to do, but they chose to make it fun and meaningful. I don't see how they've "rigged" the process at all. I'm not personally fond of the previous Jupiter, and I didn't actually vote for this incarnation either. However I can't even begin to complain about the process that brought it about. I had my vote. So did everyone else. I'm in the minority opinion, and I'm okay with that. I suggest you get okay with it, too. The alternative is just bad feelings and irritation.
Its right there int he quote in my post... where the one design that won, happens to be the design taking cues from the one ship in the game that everyone has had a hard on for since the beginning.
How else were they to approach it? By not including a design taking any cues from a ship in the game. By including one design that takes cues from another design in game, (and one design that a great amount of people love), youve automatically biased the results of any contest toward that design, and against any of the others.
If the Jupiter had never existed, and this design won, I would be unhappy but atleast every design would have had its fair chance and I would have felt like my voice actually mattered in the process. With the Jupiter existing however it skews the results and any contest that was had was just going through the motions to get one design done, and anyone who voted for anything other than Omega didnt actually matter in the grand scheme of it.
This feels less like I had a choice in the design and more like the ship team wanted to redo the Jupiter, but didnt have the free time to do it on their own, so they had to get it through other means.
This was a poor contest. Not because my favourite design lost. But because not all of the designs were impartial. One design clearly had a bias. That one design won, not because it was objectively better (not even because it was subjectively better), it won because it was partially based on an earlier ship in game. Thats not how you run a contest. And any contest run that way is rigged. Just as this one was.