Star Trek The New Series - What do you want to see?

rickysmith1 · November 2015

By now we have all seen the official announcment; startrek.com/article/new-star-trek-series-premieres-january-2017

The Producers of the J.J.Abrams films will be taking charge but it has been stated that the new series will not have anything to do with the upcoming Star Trek Beyond.
The previous development team that includes Rick Berman will also be out of the picture, this all means we could get anything being produced by CBS, my question is; What do you want to see?

Additional 03/11/2015:
Alex Kurtzman will be the executive producer of the new “Star Trek” series. Is he a good choice?
see; nypost.com/2015/11/02/cbs-is-already-ruining-the-star-trek-tv-reboot/

Additional 08/11/2015
The upcoming CBS Star Trek series will be based on the canned script “Star Trek: The Academy Years”
see; worldofoddballs.com/rumors-cbs-star-trek-is-based-on-star-trek-academy-years-fan-cast-1/

capnmanx · November 2015

I'd like to see a Primeverse series that borrows from both DS9 and more traditional Trek series'.

A ship, out doing the standard 'explore strange new worlds' thing, but which has a home base that it regularly heads back to.

I'm thinking like a sector command starbase, with a small fleet attached to it; this allows for a roster of recurring ships and characters, and means that we would have the time to get to know local races and local issues (instead of something completely new every single week). Maybe even the occasional episode that focuses on one of the other ships in that fleet (just for a change of pace).

ammianus · November 2015

Primeverse obviously...that is a Trek, JJverse is not even close. For what I would like to see, best would be to do a clean slate, like TNG did. So keep all major races, like Romulans, Klingons, Cardassia, Ferengi etc. but set a show half a century in a future after events of Nemesis, or even a century...with occasional cameos (in the case of fifty years, for sure). A number of actors expressed their will to reprise his role: like Dorn, Frakes, or even Stewart.
Or they can continue where Enterprise ended...with Romulan war. In any case, no JJ Verse, please...

bioixi · November 2015

More alien main characters, I'm tired of humans and the occasional klingon/Vulcan/Romulan.

jonsills · November 2015

It's being helmed by one of the producers of the movies - Abrams is busy with SW, and Kurtzman and Orci apparently have had a bit of a falling-out.

What I'd like to see is more of what IMO helped make TOS great - hiring actual professional SF writers to contribute scripts. Think about some of the most memorable stories from the original; most lists include episodes like "Amok Time" (Theodore Sturgeon), "City On the Edge of Forever" (Harlan Ellison), and "The Trouble With Tribbles" (David Gerrold). Imagine some new Trek with scripts by, say, William Gibson or Allan Steele or David Brin or Ann Leckie or Charles Strauss or...

mustrumridcully0 · November 2015

I dunno.

Something Star Trek.

Something that continues the story of the prime timeline.

Something that is funny, sad, serious, whimsical, emotional, logical at the same time.

Something that still represents a hopeful future without feeling irrelevant.

An ensemble cast with lots of supporting secondary and tertiary characters to get some emotional investment so it becomes more interesting when they get into peril or are killed off.

A series with a bit of a plan on where it wants to go, while still giving room to some episodes to stand on their own.

A cool ship that also occassionally gets into cool space fights.

rickysmith1 · November 2015

There has been two factors repeated so far:

Prime Timeline (No JJ)
Return to Exploration (No Gimics)

I have to say that I agree with this in everyway, but I would like to see a series set on the Enterprise-B. There is SO much potential in an Era left untold.
I am picturing John Harroman dying in similar circumstances to James Kirk. Then once the ship is repaired and recrewed a few months later, Admiral Sulu wants his daughter to take command. Two Full Cirlcles before the Pilot story goes ahead.
You could have so much material to draw from:

Mirror Kirk (Cameo)
Klingon/Breen War
Beginning of Conflict with Cardassians
Gradual break down of treaty wit Klingons (see Enterprise C)
An Ambassador Class Pathfinder gets stolen.
Where did the Organians go?
V'Ger returns.
T'Pol Cameo - Truth of her father.

And finally for a specail and emotional episode, Admiral Sulu dies a hero and his daughter was powerless to prevent it.
(Excelsior goes boom, Enterprise goes NOOOOO)

If you can't tell, this is a concept I have thought about for a long time.

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messahla · November 2015

rickysmith1 wrote: »

There has been two factors repeated so far:

Prime Timeline (No JJ)

Return to Exploration (No Gimics)

I have to say that I agree with this in everyway, but I would like to see a series set on the Enterprise-B. There is SO much potential in an Era left untold.
I am picturing John Harroman dying in similar circumstances to James Kirk. Then once the ship is repaired and recrewed a few months later, Admiral Sulu wants his daughter to take command. Two Full Cirlcles before the Pilot story goes ahead.
You could have so much material to draw from:
Mirror Kirk (Cameo)

Klingon/Breen War

Beginning of Conflict with Cardassians

Gradual break down of treaty wit Klingons (see Enterprise C)

An Ambassador Class Pathfinder gets stolen.

Where did the Organians go?

V'Ger returns.

T'Pol Cameo - Truth of her father.

And finally for a specail and emotional episode, Admiral Sulu dies a hero and his daughter was powerless to prevent it.
(Excelsior goes boom, Enterprise goes NOOOOO)

If you can't tell, this is a concept I have thought about for a long time.

Where did the organians go??

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Organian

Still on organia debating about making first contact

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khan5000 · November 2015

rickysmith1 wrote: »

There has been two factors repeated so far:

Prime Timeline (No JJ)

Return to Exploration (No Gimics)

I have to say that I agree with this in everyway, but I would like to see a series set on the Enterprise-B. There is SO much potential in an Era left untold.
I am picturing John Harroman dying in similar circumstances to James Kirk. Then once the ship is repaired and recrewed a few months later, Admiral Sulu wants his daughter to take command. Two Full Cirlcles before the Pilot story goes ahead.
You could have so much material to draw from:
Mirror Kirk (Cameo)

Klingon/Breen War

Beginning of Conflict with Cardassians

Gradual break down of treaty wit Klingons (see Enterprise C)

An Ambassador Class Pathfinder gets stolen.

Where did the Organians go?

V'Ger returns.

T'Pol Cameo - Truth of her father.

And finally for a specail and emotional episode, Admiral Sulu dies a hero and his daughter was powerless to prevent it.
(Excelsior goes boom, Enterprise goes NOOOOO)

If you can't tell, this is a concept I have thought about for a long time.

I am not in favor of the series being set in a specific timeline. The time line you are talking about is now limited by TNG backstory. If they try to tell a story that doesn't match up with TNG fans will turn off. If the tech is better than TNG fans will turn off.
Their best bet is to continue TNG era with another ship or jump a century ahead to a new era.

daveyny · November 2015

I'm old school, so I want to see them do something during the era of "Enterprise" to the TOS movies.
I'm pretty sure that's probably not going to happen, but I like to dream big.
This probably also means that the 5th Season of ENTERPRISE won't be made for Netflix.

angrytarg · November 2015

Primeverse, although I'm open for alternate timelines. But I really dislike JJ-trek's visuals.

I'd wish for an Axanar-esque (pre)TOS story, a Ent-C timeframe or AGT future (Post TNG), preferably going back to round saucers and less pew pew.

rickysmith1 · November 2015

Lately we have had Star Trek Online deal with the future ST Universe, the Abramsverse rebooting when a franchise didnt need rebooting, a barage of novels from all points of the timelines and before all that a decline in story quality, Voy>Ent.

Surely, now what we need from a series is something both new and familiar.
Setting it after ST:Nemesis would be cool but could encourage lazy storylines and an Abramsverse style in every creative design. Setting it in the Abramsverse is clearly not what the majority of the fans want either.

This is why I feel setting it between the TWOK and TNG eras would be beneficial. You have the future continuty of TNG to stop any outragoues or lazy story telling (Anchor the over-creativity) but at the same time you have the familiar setting.
Surely, with a new production team, the mistakes of Enterprise wont be repeated?

At least most of us can agree that the Prime-Verse is a must... no more hidden R2D2s in frames!

khan5000 · November 2015

rickysmith1 wrote: »

Lately we have had Star Trek Online deal with the future ST Universe, the Abramsverse rebooting when a franchise didnt need rebooting, a barage of novels from all points of the timelines and before all that a decline in story quality, Voy>Ent.

Surely, now what we need from a series is something both new and familiar.
Setting it after ST:Nemesis would be cool but could encourage lazy storylines and an Abramsverse style in every creative design. Setting it in the Abramsverse is clearly not what the majority of the fans want either.

This is why I feel setting it between the TWOK and TNG eras would be beneficial. You have the future continuty of TNG to stop any outragoues or lazy story telling (Anchor the over-creativity) but at the same time you have the familiar setting.
Surely, with a new production team, the mistakes of Enterprise wont be repeated?

At least most of us can agree that the Prime-Verse is a must... no more hidden R2D2s in frames!

CBS is producing this so the Reboot universe is not an option.
Yes Star Trek needed a reboot. Whether it got the one it needed is up to each and every person. Up until the reboot the only people going to see Star Trek movies were Star Trek fans. The reboot good or bad brought in way more new fans than any of the other movies did.
Setting the show post Nemesis gives them a freedom to tell stories...without having to worry about it contradicting something someone said in another movie or show. That was why TNG was set so far ahead of TOS so that they are free to tell stories without butting heads with TOS...and they still butted heads with TOS.

daveyny · November 2015

The Original Series butted it's head against itself on many occasions...

I think there's been enough "discussion" shall we say..., that this time around the producers of this show will tread a bit lighter upon what has come before.
Kurtzman is a BIG Trek Fan, I'm pretty sure that he is well aware of past 'missteps' and will adjust accordingly to avoid any of the larger piles of poo that are out there.

Nobody is perfect though, so I'm also sure we'll all have to adjust our "internal canon" to fit what this new series brings.

Open Hearts, Open Minds...

I'm just very happy that They are FINALLY doing something!!

rickysmith1 · November 2015

daveyny wrote: »

The Original Series butted it's head against itself on many occasions...

I think there's been enough "discussion" shall we say..., that this time around the producers of this show will tread a bit lighter upon what has come before.
Kurtzman is a BIG Trek Fan, I'm pretty sure that he is well aware of past 'missteps' and will adjust accordingly to avoid any of the larger piles of poo that are out there.

Nobody is perfect though, so I'm also sure we'll all have to adjust our "internal canon" to fit what this new series brings.

Open Hearts, Open Minds...

I'm just very happy that They are FINALLY doing something!!

Your right, I'mjust worried that if they set it ahead like TNG was to TOS, that they will go over the top or 'wacky' and it wont be a clear evolution of TNG, like TNG was to TOS.

An example being, how is the Abramsverse an evolution of ENT? I mean come on, too much Abram.

lordrezeon · November 2015

Personally I wouldn't mind a return to the 23rd century era (with an obvious modernization of the visuals), the 23rd century is under represented despite being where it all started. Plus having it set in the period would help draw in new fans who have only seen the new movies.

I'm a tad worried that CBS hasn't learned from its mistakes though. When Nemesis and Enterprise failed the network blamed the audience rather than acknowledge that mistakes had been made on their part.

I personally feel that the TNG movies failed because the writers didn't really understand the tone the show had set. They kept trying to write Picard as a stand in for Kirk despite the two being drastically different in their characterizations.
I feel Enterprise failed due to a distinct lack of direction. They set it in the 22nd century, around the time when Earth fought a war with the Romulans and the Federation would have been formed. Instead of taking advantage of that story potential they completely ignored it and had them going off on random adventures of the week as if it was just a continuation of TNG.

I also hope they can avoid some of the mistakes that the novels have been guilty of.

I personally feel that most modern writers lack the subtlety that writers had in the past. This is probably my biggest complaint about the post-Destiny era of Star Trek novels, as each writer tends to write scenarios with totally black and white morality refusing to acknowledge that differing viewpoints can each be legitimate. Star Trek is supposed to be an optimistic future where peoples of differing views and values can work through their differences to become something greater. Totally vilifying those with differing beliefs is counter productive to that.
The novels as well as the shows have also been quite guilty of over-relying on sex as a plot point. We don't need to spend endless stories obsessing over who each crew member is sleeping with, and we definitely don't need to obsess over the details of how aliens handle it. I think we can also be a bit more respectful of the costume choices, constantly cramming women into revealing skin tight jumpsuits doesn't speak to highly of respect.

khan5000 · November 2015

rickysmith1 wrote: »

Your right, I'mjust worried that if they set it ahead like TNG was to TOS, that they will go over the top or 'wacky' and it wont be a clear evolution of TNG, like TNG was to TOS.

An example being, how is the Abramsverse an evolution of ENT? I mean come on, too much Abram.

To be fair how was TOS an evolution of ENT? ENT had more advance tech than TOS did

khan5000 · November 2015

lordrezeon wrote: »

Personally I wouldn't mind a return to the 23rd century era (with an obvious modernization of the visuals), the 23rd century is under represented despite being where it all started. Plus having it set in the period would help draw in new fans who have only seen the new movies.

I'm a tad worried that CBS hasn't learned from its mistakes though. When Nemesis and Enterprise failed the network blamed the audience rather than acknowledge that mistakes had been made on their part.
I personally feel that the TNG movies failed because the writers didn't really understand the tone the show had set. They kept trying to write Picard as a stand in for Kirk despite the two being drastically different in their characterizations.

I feel Enterprise failed due to a distinct lack of direction. They set it in the 22nd century, around the time when Earth fought a war with the Romulans and the Federation would have been formed. Instead of taking advantage of that story potential they completely ignored it and had them going off on random adventures of the week as if it was just a continuation of TNG.

I also hope they can avoid some of the mistakes that the novels have been guilty of.
I personally feel that most modern writers lack the subtlety that writers had in the past. This is probably my biggest complaint about the post-Destiny era of Star Trek novels, as each writer tends to write scenarios with totally black and white morality refusing to acknowledge that differing viewpoints can each be legitimate. Star Trek is supposed to be an optimistic future where peoples of differing views and values can work through their differences to become something greater. Totally vilifying those with differing beliefs is counter productive to that.

The novels as well as the shows have also been quite guilty of over-relying on sex as a plot point. We don't need to spend endless stories obsessing over who each crew member is sleeping with, and we definitely don't need to obsess over the details of how aliens handle it. I think we can also be a bit more respectful of the costume choices, constantly cramming women into revealing skin tight jumpsuits doesn't speak to highly of respect.

The problem isn't that they didn't understand Picard. I think they did. Picard is a great TV captain...because you can get away his elder statesmanship routine on TV. However that gets boring in a movie. Kirk was the perfect movie captain because he would take action...not a knock against Picard but Kirk is more flashy. It's why they had to action up Picard in the movies. If Picard stayed on the bridge while Riker did all the action then Riker is the main character not Picard.

rickysmith1 · November 2015

khan5000 wrote: »

To be fair how was TOS an evolution of ENT? ENT had more advance tech than TOS did

It was an obvious evolution, just a few inconcistancies. It looked the part and the setting felt right. The Abramsverse just had this warped exaggerated version of the butterfly effect going on, hell even the Kelvin didnt look like an evolution between ENT and TOS.

Cloaking Devices and advanced Tricorders I can deal with. A unrealistic evolution of ships I can't, especailly given I am in a Navy.

artan42 · November 2015

rickysmith1 wrote: »

The Abramsverse just had this warped exaggerated version of the butterfly effect going on, hell even the Kelvin didnt look like an evolution between ENT and TOS.

Everything in the AU films looked like a perfect flow from Enterprise, especially ships like the Kelvin.

Thankfully neither ENT or the AR films tried to look anything like TOS or tried to limit their tech to try match TOS, that would be silly.

rickysmith1 · November 2015

artan42 wrote: »

Everything in the AU films looked like a perfect flow from Enterprise, especially ships like the Kelvin.

Thankfully neither ENT or the AR films tried to look anything like TOS or tried to limit their tech to try match TOS, that would be silly.

Right, NX-01 > Kelvin > TOS Enterprise, That looks like a natural flow of technology. Thats like saying HMS Victory> HMS Daring> HMS Dreadnaught.

Im not saying to keep themselves limited, but they didnt try to keep any consistancy, or obey the laws of that universe.
It's the disrespect for a franchises rules and continuty that disrespects us as fans.
When I watch those films I see Star Wars films with Star Trek Bumper Stickers on the front, its an insult to Trekkies everywhere.
Star Wars The Force Awakens: Luke Explores where no Jedi has gone before. (Hidden Tribble in frame).

Not to make things further bleak but this was just posted; nypost.com/2015/11/02/cbs-is-already-ruining-the-star-trek-tv-reboot/.
He has some good points I think.

Is he the right person to produce?

ayradyss · November 2015

What I want to see is for it to be an actual broadcast television show. But this is not that. It's a CBS All-Access exclusive (which may be distributed internationally to some television markets, likely only in places where CBS isn't able to sell streaming video subs of some manner).

I was excited for a bit, then I read the details. Now not so excited -- more like upset.

khan5000 · November 2015

artan42 wrote: »

rickysmith1 wrote: »

The Abramsverse just had this warped exaggerated version of the butterfly effect going on, hell even the Kelvin didnt look like an evolution between ENT and TOS.

Everything in the AU films looked like a perfect flow from Enterprise, especially ships like the Kelvin.

Thankfully neither ENT or the AR films tried to look anything like TOS or tried to limit their tech to try match TOS, that would be silly.

there's an actual scene in STID where you can see the design evolution going all the way to the dreadnought

artan42 · November 2015

rickysmith1 wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

Everything in the AU films looked like a perfect flow from Enterprise, especially ships like the Kelvin.

Thankfully neither ENT or the AR films tried to look anything like TOS or tried to limit their tech to try match TOS, that would be silly.

Right, NX-01 > Kelvin > TOS Enterprise, That looks like a natural flow of technology. Thats like saying HMS Victory> HMS Daring> HMS Dreadnaught.

Forget the TOS Entaprise, neither the NX, Kelvin, or AR Conni are meant to invoke the TOS Ent in any way at all. It's a meaningless point. Unless you want the new films (or ENT) to have cardboard sets, bright primary colours, screens with no displays on them, buttons made of jelly beans, and tech that's old and outdated now?

Look carefully at the Kelvin, it's grey and silver bridge with its switches and buttons and it's corridors with a submarine feel, both matching the NX. Look at its exterior, it's metallic hull (not matt grey), look a the phaser turrets (a direct evolution of the phase cannons of the NX), look at the shape and style of the nacelles.

The single, only, thing that is not alike is the warp core. Compare the core of the NX to the fusion reactor in the AR Conni.

Do as the film makers (any anyone who lives in the real world) and ignore TOS' design styles completely. Even early TNG looks embarrassing now.

rickysmith1 · November 2015

artan42 wrote: »

Do as the film makers (any anyone who lives in the real world) and...

There is no need to insult myself or the many others that feel the way I do.
I am just going to agree to disagree, I have talked about this with so many people and all these topics keep going down pointless roads. It is here to stay now.

hawkwing43 · November 2015

This post would have worked better as a Poll. just saying.

I pick far future, 50 plus years, that's the way it should go.

rickysmith1 · November 2015

In the Past 24 Hours, CBS has released two statements defending their decision to release the future series via online instead of airing on television.

Has this effected anyones opinion about what to expect from the production staff?
What do you think they will choose to do as a setting, (as opposed to what you want)?

khan5000 · November 2015

My decision to subscribe will be made by watching the pilot

gulberat · November 2015

I know a lot of people are angry at Kurtzman already just for existing/being affiliated with this series, but here is how it could work in favor of what I personally would be looking for.

I would like it ideally to track with Deep Space Nine in terms of its approach to plot (fully serialized) and tone.

DS9 in my opinion struck the right balance between optimism and realism. Unlike the overly idealistic and preachy TNG, and ALSO unlike a lot of today's Crapsack World shows where there is no hope and no morality whatsoever, DS9 did a great job of showing both the darkness and the light. Both people's demons and the better angels of their nature were on full display. You could call it tempered optimism: things will work out in the end, but the road to getting there is not always going to be easy and sometimes humans are...still human.

As I've said in other places, I think that the aftereffects of the Borg and Dominion attacks in such quick succession will have led to irrevocable changes to the Federation and Starfleet...and that's one of the things that, despite the exaggeration required for the game environment, I like about STO. No, this is not your father's Starfleet, and it shouldn't be. The Federation has been scarred by the devastating and sustained campaigns and has learned that they can never again be caught flatfooted and naive to their enemies' intentions. The TNG iteration of Starfleet was so ridiculous that in "Yesterday's Enterprise," we see it clearly intended by the show's producers as some horrible moment intended to give sensitive viewers the vapors, when Riker blatantly asks to know the number and type of ENEMY VESSELS. Uh...it's a war. The Klingons are the enemy. This should not be some horrible, offensive thing to say. Yet if you watch that episode, it would fit in very well with DS9 or with STO, because that, again, is another continuity showing what the effects of the long-term war would be on Starfleet. (And I personally cheered when AU Picard let rip on the Klingons at the end of that episode.)

Consider who would be in command if we skip ahead in the future, and who is in command in STO: aside from the cadets on the accelerated command track, the upper admiralty is likely going to be Dominion War veterans. These are not people who will brush aside or ignore threats, or will be interested in letting Starfleet become weak again or fail to develop strong defensive technology, and even if they have resources diverted away from them by idealistic politicians, will probably figure out how to milk all that they are given.

I would also point out, without going too deep into it, that the public as a whole has changed, and we just aren't going to see that same degree of idealism as we saw in TNG, and if they try to replicate that, it would be a huge mistake. (Heck, even in ENT you see indications of that.) That's why, for all the talk of darkness I have above, I think DS9 will be about the right balance. Trek DOES have a good dose of idealism. A Crapsack World would be completely out of step. But DS9 holds up today because it is not blindingly naive. If they strike about that tone, it'll work, I think.

I actually suspect I have a shot of getting what I want in that regard because, trash him all you want, but Kurtzman HAS dealt with a version of the Trek universe that suffered severe trauma on that same level except in the 23rd century. And it did irrevocably change Starfleet. So, I think if the show is set after DS9, he's likely to be cognizant of that fact. But even the JJverse they still tried to maintain some sense of their ideals, even if the plots didn't always come off onscreen as well as I would have liked to see.

As for my other "want" for the series...I know this is almost literally on the level of window dressing, but I'd like to see the music not be totally bland musical wallpaper as was actually ordered by Roddenberry. If the music is good, I will buy the CD too. I would like to see something on the quality level of Ron Jones' Best of Both Worlds score, not the utterly bland nod to that same score you hear on DS9's "Emissary" soundtrack (God, that piece was a disappointment). Given that Kurtzman may have had dealings with Michael Giacchino, even though I doubt we'd see Giacchino take on a movie score, I suspect that Kurtzman won't be afraid of letting the music for the show actually be good.

I doubt we'll be getting Bear McCreary (his style to me seems different from Trek though that's the caliber I want to see), but I'd like to have an actual score to the episodes and not a few bland chords drifting about.

Star Trek The New Series - What do you want to see?

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