Starfleet security used a foldable, transparent ballistic shield in their assault on Nimbus III in ST:V because the opposition used primitive machine guns. Stun batons and ballistic/riot shields for Starfleet are a possibility. Klingons wouldn't use a shield I guess, not the modern Klingons anyway. STO introduced the concept of regenerative personal shields (something not possible in canon) and eliminates basically all need for shields for ranged combat as ballistic personal weapons are ancient at this point. And you wouldn't keep those around for the freak accident you fight medieval adversaries. The thought of having ballistic weapons as a sidearm, when technology exists that bypasses dampening fields (compression phaser, regenerative phaser), would be equivalent of having present day army guys run around with crossbows for the freak case all their weapons get wet and defunct.
Some things make sense. Some things I think people should just play Battlefield or Mount and Blade instead.
Anyhow, if we get something like this at one point Cryptic would need to remake the ground combat and melee mechanics of this game. One handed pistols/weapons/shield, combineable with each other so pistols are a viable choice over rifles.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The TR-116B, which is the crafted one, probably does have the transporter - it comes with 100% shield penetration, which I would suspect is to represent beaming the bullet past the target's shield.
Which is silly because on of the few transporter limits is that they don't work through shields.
The thought of having ballistic weapons as a sidearm, when technology exists that bypasses dampening fields (compression phaser, regenerative phaser), would be equivalent of having present day army guys run around with crossbows for the freak case all their weapons get wet and defunct.
Oranges and apples, crossbows are cumbersome, heavy, have short range, have slow rate of fire and don't have the same stopping power as guns, meanwhile a gun can weight between 0.5-1 kilogram and are easy to use and carry.
We know that bullets pass through shields, at least in STO.
We know that regenerative phaser are not infallible, in DS9 we see the hunters use a device and armor that absorbs phaser fire, when the enterprise meets the ferengi, phaser fire gets redirected and absorbed by the T'kon crystals, when the voth board voyager their dampening field overpowers regenerative phasers, hell in STO we get captured by Hakeev and a dampening field overpowers our energy weapons.
Starfleet (you know, those guys who have backups for their backups) is being stupid for not issuing a kinetic sidearm and a combat knife as standard equipment, that equipment could easily weight less than 2 kilograms (including ammo) and could be easily strapped to their belts, not to mention that knifes have other uses and that we've been issuing them to our soldiers for several millenia no matter how much technology changed.
I could see physical shields as ground tanking items, with a secondary independent shield generator (doesn't work if flanked) and increased damage resistance, as a trade-off you are limited to 1 handed weapons.
Oranges and apples, crossbows are cumbersome, heavy, have short range, have slow rate of fire and don't have the same stopping power as guns, meanwhile a gun can weight between 0.5-1 kilogram and are easy to use and carry.
We know that bullets pass through shields, at least in STO.
We know that regenerative phaser are not infallible, in DS9 we see the hunters use a device and armor that absorbs phaser fire, when the enterprise meets the ferengi, phaser fire gets redirected and absorbed by the T'kon crystals, when the voth board voyager their dampening field overpowers regenerative phasers, hell in STO we get captured by Hakeev and a dampening field overpowers our energy weapons.
Starfleet (you know, those guys who have backups for their backups) is being stupid for not issuing a kinetic sidearm and a combat knife as standard equipment, that equipment could easily weight less than 2 kilograms (including ammo) and could be easily strapped to their belts, not to mention that knifes have other uses and that we've been issuing them to our soldiers for several millenia no matter how much technology changed.
None of the cases you mentioned had regenerative or compression phasers used. Besides, assuming kinetic weapons do not get stopped by shields is a long shot if you are just basing it on the nu-Borg idiocy.
Put that gun back under pillow. I'm sure it's better off there than it is in this game.
And that's right, angrytarg is the winner!
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Now we wait for Cryptic to put them into the game.
I know, I'm good
Cool thing is, in the shuttle scene they have those shields rolled into a - well - roll and stuck to their backpacks. Would make a cool sheathed animation as well
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Now we wait for Cryptic to put them into the game.
And those uniforms. And those phasers.
Also, Targ hardly won, being able to remember that scene means having to remember something about 'The Final Frontier' and nobody's a winner there .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
(...)
Also, Targ hardly won, being able to remember that scene means having to remember something about 'The Final Frontier' and nobody's a winner there .
When I remember that movie it plays in my head in it's original draft. With Sean Connery as Zar (Sybok), without half of it cut and with ILM special effects, finished and furbished. It's still not great, but it doesn't hurt as much. Nemesis, on the other hand, I watched one single time in my life. On VHS. It still hurts.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
None of the cases you mentioned had regenerative or compression phasers used. Besides, assuming kinetic weapons do not get stopped by shields is a long shot if you are just basing it on the nu-Borg idiocy.
Put that gun back under pillow. I'm sure it's better off there than it is in this game.
Voyager (and I'm guessing us during the Romulan arc) had regenerative tech in their weapons, we've seen voyager's phasers operating under dampening fields and radiogenic environments, the other scenarios are not about phaser becoming inoperable, but instead energy being absorbed, and as far as strar trek online is concerned, kinetic energy partially bypasses personal shields and bullets fully bypass personal shields.
Something as simple as a gun could change the balance of power if phaser become ineffective or inoperable, yet somehow people famous for having backups for backups don't have backups for their phasers.
(...)
Also, Targ hardly won, being able to remember that scene means having to remember something about 'The Final Frontier' and nobody's a winner there .
When I remember that movie it plays in my head in it's original draft. With Sean Connery as Zar (Sybok), without half of it cut and with ILM special effects, finished and furbished. It's still not great, but it doesn't hurt as much.
What is Sybok in this version? Is he still Spock's mysteriously hidden brother?
But most importantly, are the Enterprise's decks labelled correctly?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
What is Sybok in this version? Is he still Spock's mysteriously hidden brother?
But most importantly, are the Enterprise's decks labelled correctly?
He unfortunately is, because it's hard to make this work otherwise. But the novelization actually does a "better" job and I assume it's based on the draft that was not cut to pieces but that's only speculation.
The decks are labeled correctly and reduced to a logical number. However, the rocket-boots do not exist. Instead, Iron Man is spit out by Marvel Universe's Bifröst, crossing over into the Star Trek universe due to a malfunction in experimental SHIELD tech fused with the Asgardian's ancient teleporter and all boot-flying by Spock is actually performed by Iron Man. It just makes more sense this way
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
None of the cases you mentioned had regenerative or compression phasers used. Besides, assuming kinetic weapons do not get stopped by shields is a long shot if you are just basing it on the nu-Borg idiocy.
Put that gun back under pillow. I'm sure it's better off there than it is in this game.
Voyager (and I'm guessing us during the Romulan arc) had regenerative tech in their weapons, we've seen voyager's phasers operating under dampening fields and radiogenic environments, the other scenarios are not about phaser becoming inoperable, but instead energy being absorbed, and as far as strar trek online is concerned, kinetic energy partially bypasses personal shields and bullets fully bypass personal shields.
Something as simple as a gun could change the balance of power if phaser become ineffective or inoperable, yet somehow people famous for having backups for backups don't have backups for their phasers.
Isnt STO also non-canon, why in the world would starfleet need bullets anyway, You are right in VOY they have rifles that shoots in dampening field. But no canon confirmation about personal shield( there isnt any visual confirmation about personal shields either, aside from some doubtful 0.5 second scene in DS9 and a mention(and on mention) by Admiral leyton about personalshield)
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
And when did we ever see anybody other than the Klingons use a sword for anything besides ceremonial/honor duels?
I can buy something like a KA-BAR knife, or a bayonet on a phaser rifle. A sword? Yeah right, this isn't Warhammer 40,000.
I gotta agree with this...other than a handful of times when did we ever see mass use of Melee weapons...when did we ever see Starfleet or Romulans use melee weapons? Heck there wasn't even a lot of episodes where we saw Klingons or Jem Hadar use melee...
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None of the cases you mentioned had regenerative or compression phasers used. Besides, assuming kinetic weapons do not get stopped by shields is a long shot if you are just basing it on the nu-Borg idiocy.
Put that gun back under pillow. I'm sure it's better off there than it is in this game.
Voyager (and I'm guessing us during the Romulan arc) had regenerative tech in their weapons, we've seen voyager's phasers operating under dampening fields and radiogenic environments, the other scenarios are not about phaser becoming inoperable, but instead energy being absorbed, and as far as strar trek online is concerned, kinetic energy partially bypasses personal shields and bullets fully bypass personal shields.
Something as simple as a gun could change the balance of power if phaser become ineffective or inoperable, yet somehow people famous for having backups for backups don't have backups for their phasers.
Isnt STO also non-canon, why in the world would starfleet need bullets anyway, You are right in VOY they have rifles that shoots in dampening field. But no canon confirmation about personal shield( there isnt any visual confirmation about personal shields either, aside from some doubtful 0.5 second scene in DS9 and a mention(and on mention) by Admiral leyton about personalshield)
As I said, if a phaser becomes ineffective because the enemy has some short of energy absorption device/armor or there is something that prevents energy weapons from firing, you'll always have your backup kinetic sidearm.
You lose nothing for carrying a kinetic sidearm and a trusty knife in addition to your standard hand phaser, and it can save your life, there are many "oh s**t phasers don't work!" moments all over the series, a kinetic sidearm would have solved the problem, and there is no rule that says you can't have both.
You might encounter situations where your phaser is useless, well then use your gun.
You might encounter situations where your gun is useless, well then use your phaser.
You might encounter a situation where you can't use guns nor phasers or you are forced into a melee fight, well then use your combat knife.
Having only 1 type of weapon available is stupid, it would be like equipping an entire military with shoguns and shotguns only, sure, shotguns are very versatile and can use lots of different types of ammo, but there are certain situations where you need an sniper rifle.
Star wars has the same problem with the "only energy weapons allowed" trope, which is stupid, but it's also a plot device, I mean, the jedi would be useless once the separatists manage to figure out shotguns.
What is Sybok in this version? Is he still Spock's mysteriously hidden brother?
But most importantly, are the Enterprise's decks labelled correctly?
He unfortunately is, because it's hard to make this work otherwise. But the novelization actually does a "better" job and I assume it's based on the draft that was not cut to pieces but that's only speculation.
The decks are labeled correctly and reduced to a logical number. However, the rocket-boots do not exist. Instead, Iron Man is spit out by Marvel Universe's Bifröst, crossing over into the Star Trek universe due to a malfunction in experimental SHIELD tech fused with the Asgardian's ancient teleporter and all boot-flying by Spock is actually performed by Iron Man. It just makes more sense this way
No rocket boots aww, I wanted a pair .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Worf rigged his combadge to create a kinetic shield once.
It only took a few hits, but I'm pretty sure Starfleet's finest could base a much better shield based in that contraption.
So I do ot get why kinetic weapons are supposed to work any better against personal shields. The only reason the Borg in First Contact died from the bullets, is because the were surprised to face a tommy gun wielding guy on a holodeck with real enough bullets.
Worf rigged his combadge to create a kinetic shield once.
It only took a few hits, but I'm pretty sure Starfleet's finest could base a much better shield based in that contraption.
So I do ot get why kinetic weapons are supposed to work any better against personal shields. The only reason the Borg in First Contact died from the bullets, is because the were surprised to face a tommy gun wielding guy on a holodeck with real enough bullets.
To be fair, those were both holographic weapons and holographic bullets made of photons and forcefields.
And when did we ever see anybody other than the Klingons use a sword for anything besides ceremonial/honor duels?
I can buy something like a KA-BAR knife, or a bayonet on a phaser rifle. A sword? Yeah right, this isn't Warhammer 40,000.
I gotta agree with this...other than a handful of times when did we ever see mass use of Melee weapons...when did we ever see Starfleet or Romulans use melee weapons? Heck there wasn't even a lot of episodes where we saw Klingons or Jem Hadar use melee...
Romulans are supposed to have "honor blades," which I imagine are akin to a Scottish dirk, or perhaps a sgian dubh (which is basically a much smaller dirk).
...The TR-116B, which is the crafted one, probably does have the transporter - it comes with 100% shield penetration, which I would suspect is to represent beaming the bullet past the target's shield.
Incorrect, it was the TR-116A which was a limited availability exclusive that had the transporter.
Which is silly because on of the few transporter limits is that they don't work through shields.
PS: Does the shotgun also bypass shields?
Agreed, the transporter version would not be able to transport the slug through a shield, but that is not how it worked. It transported the slug just as it would have exited the barrel to another point, where it then would resume it's ballistic trajectory (speed direction etc) and then hit the target. So if you were targeting someone wearing a personal shield, you would transport the slug into the room they are in, but not right on top of them, and the slug would then follow its path right through their shields.
As for the shotgun, I do not have one, so I do not know, but it should.
And when did we ever see anybody other than the Klingons use a sword for anything besides ceremonial/honor duels?
I can buy something like a KA-BAR knife, or a bayonet on a phaser rifle. A sword? Yeah right, this isn't Warhammer 40,000.
I gotta agree with this...other than a handful of times when did we ever see mass use of Melee weapons...when did we ever see Starfleet or Romulans use melee weapons? Heck there wasn't even a lot of episodes where we saw Klingons or Jem Hadar use melee...
Romulans are supposed to have "honor blades," which I imagine are akin to a Scottish dirk, or perhaps a sgian dubh (which is basically a much smaller dirk).
You don't see them use them though...you just don't see a lot of melee use through the various shows...sure some melee weapons should be added...
A D'k tahg could be added...personally I'd like to see a Mek'leth added...but we don't need to add every kinda of sword under the sun...only human weapons we've seen pretty much were TOS worlds based on ancient Earth...and what Sulu had.
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Ok, guys, the TR-116 rifles don#t bypass shields by beaming the projectile behind them. They get through because the shields are supposed to stop energy dicharges, not kinetic force. As long as there is kinetic force, it doesn't matter wether it's a bullet or a bat'leth.
And when did we ever see anybody other than the Klingons use a sword for anything besides ceremonial/honor duels?
I can buy something like a KA-BAR knife, or a bayonet on a phaser rifle. A sword? Yeah right, this isn't Warhammer 40,000.
I gotta agree with this...other than a handful of times when did we ever see mass use of Melee weapons...when did we ever see Starfleet or Romulans use melee weapons? Heck there wasn't even a lot of episodes where we saw Klingons or Jem Hadar use melee...
Romulans are supposed to have "honor blades," which I imagine are akin to a Scottish dirk, or perhaps a sgian dubh (which is basically a much smaller dirk).
You don't see them use them though...you just don't see a lot of melee use through the various shows...sure some melee weapons should be added...
A D'k tahg could be added...personally I'd like to see a Mek'leth added...but we don't need to add every kinda of sword under the sun...only human weapons we've seen pretty much were TOS worlds based on ancient Earth...and what Sulu had.
That's simply not true. There's almost always some kind of melee, sometimes it's just a slap or an evade. And usually best fights are melee.
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Some things make sense. Some things I think people should just play Battlefield or Mount and Blade instead.
Anyhow, if we get something like this at one point Cryptic would need to remake the ground combat and melee mechanics of this game. One handed pistols/weapons/shield, combineable with each other so pistols are a viable choice over rifles.
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Which is silly because on of the few transporter limits is that they don't work through shields.
PS: Does the shotgun also bypass shields?
Oranges and apples, crossbows are cumbersome, heavy, have short range, have slow rate of fire and don't have the same stopping power as guns, meanwhile a gun can weight between 0.5-1 kilogram and are easy to use and carry.
We know that bullets pass through shields, at least in STO.
We know that regenerative phaser are not infallible, in DS9 we see the hunters use a device and armor that absorbs phaser fire, when the enterprise meets the ferengi, phaser fire gets redirected and absorbed by the T'kon crystals, when the voth board voyager their dampening field overpowers regenerative phasers, hell in STO we get captured by Hakeev and a dampening field overpowers our energy weapons.
Starfleet (you know, those guys who have backups for their backups) is being stupid for not issuing a kinetic sidearm and a combat knife as standard equipment, that equipment could easily weight less than 2 kilograms (including ammo) and could be easily strapped to their belts, not to mention that knifes have other uses and that we've been issuing them to our soldiers for several millenia no matter how much technology changed.
Now we wait for Cryptic to put them into the game.
Can we have that model of phaser too?
None of the cases you mentioned had regenerative or compression phasers used. Besides, assuming kinetic weapons do not get stopped by shields is a long shot if you are just basing it on the nu-Borg idiocy.
Put that gun back under pillow. I'm sure it's better off there than it is in this game.
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Cool thing is, in the shuttle scene they have those shields rolled into a - well - roll and stuck to their backpacks. Would make a cool sheathed animation as well
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And those uniforms. And those phasers.
Also, Targ hardly won, being able to remember that scene means having to remember something about 'The Final Frontier' and nobody's a winner there
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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When I remember that movie it plays in my head in it's original draft. With Sean Connery as Zar (Sybok), without half of it cut and with ILM special effects, finished and furbished. It's still not great, but it doesn't hurt as much. Nemesis, on the other hand, I watched one single time in my life. On VHS. It still hurts.
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Voyager (and I'm guessing us during the Romulan arc) had regenerative tech in their weapons, we've seen voyager's phasers operating under dampening fields and radiogenic environments, the other scenarios are not about phaser becoming inoperable, but instead energy being absorbed, and as far as strar trek online is concerned, kinetic energy partially bypasses personal shields and bullets fully bypass personal shields.
Something as simple as a gun could change the balance of power if phaser become ineffective or inoperable, yet somehow people famous for having backups for backups don't have backups for their phasers.
What is Sybok in this version? Is he still Spock's mysteriously hidden brother?
But most importantly, are the Enterprise's decks labelled correctly?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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He unfortunately is, because it's hard to make this work otherwise. But the novelization actually does a "better" job and I assume it's based on the draft that was not cut to pieces but that's only speculation.
The decks are labeled correctly and reduced to a logical number. However, the rocket-boots do not exist. Instead, Iron Man is spit out by Marvel Universe's Bifröst, crossing over into the Star Trek universe due to a malfunction in experimental SHIELD tech fused with the Asgardian's ancient teleporter and all boot-flying by Spock is actually performed by Iron Man. It just makes more sense this way
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One of these will do fine, a roman gladius
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Isnt STO also non-canon, why in the world would starfleet need bullets anyway, You are right in VOY they have rifles that shoots in dampening field. But no canon confirmation about personal shield( there isnt any visual confirmation about personal shields either, aside from some doubtful 0.5 second scene in DS9 and a mention(and on mention) by Admiral leyton about personalshield)
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
I gotta agree with this...other than a handful of times when did we ever see mass use of Melee weapons...when did we ever see Starfleet or Romulans use melee weapons? Heck there wasn't even a lot of episodes where we saw Klingons or Jem Hadar use melee...
As I said, if a phaser becomes ineffective because the enemy has some short of energy absorption device/armor or there is something that prevents energy weapons from firing, you'll always have your backup kinetic sidearm.
You lose nothing for carrying a kinetic sidearm and a trusty knife in addition to your standard hand phaser, and it can save your life, there are many "oh s**t phasers don't work!" moments all over the series, a kinetic sidearm would have solved the problem, and there is no rule that says you can't have both.
You might encounter situations where your phaser is useless, well then use your gun.
You might encounter situations where your gun is useless, well then use your phaser.
You might encounter a situation where you can't use guns nor phasers or you are forced into a melee fight, well then use your combat knife.
Having only 1 type of weapon available is stupid, it would be like equipping an entire military with shoguns and shotguns only, sure, shotguns are very versatile and can use lots of different types of ammo, but there are certain situations where you need an sniper rifle.
Star wars has the same problem with the "only energy weapons allowed" trope, which is stupid, but it's also a plot device, I mean, the jedi would be useless once the separatists manage to figure out shotguns.
Haven't you notice how silly large our weapons are? We're are already playing Warhammer 40,000
No rocket boots
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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It only took a few hits, but I'm pretty sure Starfleet's finest could base a much better shield based in that contraption.
So I do ot get why kinetic weapons are supposed to work any better against personal shields. The only reason the Borg in First Contact died from the bullets, is because the were surprised to face a tommy gun wielding guy on a holodeck with real enough bullets.
To be fair, those were both holographic weapons and holographic bullets made of photons and forcefields.
Romulans are supposed to have "honor blades," which I imagine are akin to a Scottish dirk, or perhaps a sgian dubh (which is basically a much smaller dirk).
Incorrect, it was the TR-116A which was a limited availability exclusive that had the transporter.
Agreed, the transporter version would not be able to transport the slug through a shield, but that is not how it worked. It transported the slug just as it would have exited the barrel to another point, where it then would resume it's ballistic trajectory (speed direction etc) and then hit the target. So if you were targeting someone wearing a personal shield, you would transport the slug into the room they are in, but not right on top of them, and the slug would then follow its path right through their shields.
As for the shotgun, I do not have one, so I do not know, but it should.
We come in peace, SHOOT TO KILL!
You don't see them use them though...you just don't see a lot of melee use through the various shows...sure some melee weapons should be added...
A D'k tahg could be added...personally I'd like to see a Mek'leth added...but we don't need to add every kinda of sword under the sun...only human weapons we've seen pretty much were TOS worlds based on ancient Earth...and what Sulu had.
That's simply not true. There's almost always some kind of melee, sometimes it's just a slap or an evade. And usually best fights are melee.