Honestly, I'm kind of double happy about the ship. We finally got the Gurumba to T6. (I think it never even got a fleet version?) And since it has a hanger, we FINALLY have an escort* carrier.
*escort/destroyer/raptor, all basically the same thing.
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It's clear some folks have not really read my post. Yes I am very aware of what the Matha has both "normal" T6 and the Fleet version I use the fleet version my self and NO it's not a NOSE cannon the Bortas has that. Sure the Matha a console rather have that as a console that I can remove or replace at will depnding on mission. As far as the KDF goes I play KLINGON's not freaking mercenary Nausicans get it? In fact every Nausican DOFF I get ends up out the airlock asap. No true Klingon with any honor would fly a subjucated races ships. Think about it.
I just hope that in the future Cryptic does what they have been doing with the New Fed Carrier a design competition. There are MANY Klingon designs running around on the net that with a little sugar Cryptic could port over. Heck the old FASA Klingon module had basicly an amped up D-7 with 4 nacelles that was just bad azz looking.
It's clear some folks have not really read my post. Yes I am very aware of what the Matha has both "normal" T6 and the Fleet version I use the fleet version my self and NO it's not a NOSE cannon the Bortas has that. Sure the Matha a console rather have that as a console that I can remove or replace at will depnding on mission. As far as the KDF goes I play KLINGON's not freaking mercenary Nausicans get it? In fact every Nausican DOFF I get ends up out the airlock asap. No true Klingon with any honor would fly a subjucated races ships. Think about it.
I just hope that in the future Cryptic does what they have been doing with the New Fed Carrier a design competition. There are MANY Klingon designs running around on the net that with a little sugar Cryptic could port over. Heck the old FASA Klingon module had basicly an amped up D-7 with 4 nacelles that was just bad azz looking.
So... don't buy the ship then? YOU play a Klingon, but there are plenty of people who don't play Klingon or don't care about the specifics. I'm sure a Klingon ship will come in due time, but don't mistake this one for a Dreadnought or any sort of statement on the epitome of Klingon design.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
So... don't buy the ship then? YOU play a Klingon, but there are plenty of people who don't play Klingon or don't care about the specifics.
Case in point, MY 4 most played KDF characters are 1. Alien (with a backstory tying her to Nausican clans) 2. An Orion, and she wears pants. 3 A Nausican and 4. A Gorn flying a T5-U bugship.
I've got a klingon science officer who was flying a mirror negh for a while, hasn't been played in quite some time.
The point is the KDF is not just klingons anymore and many people have asked for ships belonging to the other kdf races at T6 and the Garamba (originaly the request was for a fleet version) in particular for years.
Seriously, whats your problem ? There are a people with Nausicaan chars, getting finally a proper ride. Many people asked for a T6 Guramba, even more for more KDF minor ships.
The ship itself is TRIBBLE imho (spool up time and siege mode only for a free beam overload ?). But whatever, many people will be happy.
I'm not bothered it wasn't a Klingon ship. I'm more bothered it was this particular one. I like the Guramba and all, it should certainly have a T6 version. I just would have preferred a ship like the Ravager for a Nausicaan Dreadnought, it would have suited a hangar more and matched the Gal-X more. It would also have given us a different ship, a new ship.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It's clear some folks have not really read my post. Yes I am very aware of what the Matha has both "normal" T6 and the Fleet version I use the fleet version my self and NO it's not a NOSE cannon the Bortas has that. Sure the Matha a console rather have that as a console that I can remove or replace at will depnding on mission. As far as the KDF goes I play KLINGON's not freaking mercenary Nausicans get it? In fact every Nausican DOFF I get ends up out the airlock asap. No true Klingon with any honor would fly a subjucated races ships. Think about it.
I just hope that in the future Cryptic does what they have been doing with the New Fed Carrier a design competition. There are MANY Klingon designs running around on the net that with a little sugar Cryptic could port over. Heck the old FASA Klingon module had basicly an amped up D-7 with 4 nacelles that was just bad azz looking.
No, we did read your post quite carefully. It CLEARLY shows you are an TRIBBLE who is mad that people got what they asked for. We don't care if YOU don't care for it...plenty of other people DO. This game ain't just about YOU...jackass. You somehow came off as if your opinion was that of the klingon playerbase when it clearly is not...and FYI they DID LISTEN TO THEIR PLAYERBASE. So yeah, you are wrong on so many levels, you are quite done sir. I suggest you stop talking now before you make even a bigger fool of yourself then you are now...which is hard to believe possible...but I am sure you will try none the less.
Seriously really? Resorting to name calling? That makes you the jackass and fool. The other posters made thier point in a civil manner and you come in all self rightous and start the name flinging. The magnitude of your immaturity is utterly staggering. This attitude maybe an inadvertant side effect of an education system more concerned with pumping out graduates then actually educating people and parents that failed in teaching manners to thier offspring. I feel sorry for you that you are so lacking in this social skill area clearly there was an injustice done to you. You have my most sincere pity.
Because to make a dreadnought you have to have guramba, and we know who has most guramba, don't we?
On a more serious note - out of my 9 KDF characters 5 are Klingons, but my Nausicaan pirate needed his own T6 ship. And while I generally prefer native Klingon ship designs, I do hope that we'll be able to see an Orion T6 ship (preferably a Dacoit) soon enough, because my Orion needs a T6 ship as well.
There will always be dominance of Klingon ships in the KDF, so I'm not really sure as to why this complaining now. This is a fan favorite ship, it has been asked for for ages, it's really good to see a non-Klingon KDF ship at T6 even though Geko said at one point that they'll only be making Klingon designs and it looks awesome - the most unique ship. Frankly, I hope that among the myriad of Klingon T6 ships they take the time to make at least one T6 from each KDF affiliated species, including the Ferasans and Letheans. Divesrity is the spice of life.
While the whole "Klingon" side of the game is in a confusing and weird state, having allied designs is a welcome change. Ideally I'd say every single KDF ship should have a Klingon, a Gorn, Orion and Nausicaan variant, as those are the people with fluff and background to the faction. Letheans and Ferasans can have their one-off special ships.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
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You seem to mistake the factions "dreadnought" for the factions signature ship. The Signatur ships for the KDF are still vessels like the Negh'Var or the Bortasqu, a dreadnought is just supposed to be a very powerful (usually big) Ship, that's all, so it hardly needs to be a Klingon design.
Basically: There are Non Klingon Characters in the KDF, even if you are not one, and there are people who like non-Klingon ships, even if you don't. And very rarely, the devs might decide to create a ship for someone who is not you, and you will have to deal with it.
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While the whole "Klingon" side of the game is in a confusing and weird state, having allied designs is a welcome change. Ideally I'd say every single KDF ship should have a Klingon, a Gorn, Orion and Nausicaan variant, as those are the people with fluff and background to the faction. Letheans and Ferasans can have their one-off special ships.
Confusing and weird? How?
I've noticed a pattern to "KDF ship classifications" - of course, the lines are blurring more now, as they're tossing everything everywhere. But this was the "original" pattern I saw, see if you agree with me:
The "Ethnic Klingon" design was centered around providing an "alternate playstyle" to Federation tactics, primarily due to the Cloak, primarily to make the KDF a "more offensive oriented race".
Hence their Tactical-based ships are "Raptors", cloaking "escorts". Their Engineering based ships are the cloaking, Dualie-cannon-packing (and remember, back then, DHCs were the 'gods' of DPS) glassier-hulled Battlecruisers. To differentiate Klingon Science, they were given the first ever "full carrier" Vo'Quv using fighter guns to make up for the 3/3 weapon loadout of science... To make the "iconic BoP" useful to everyone, it was given that "build her as you want her" all universal BOff layout...
The "allied races" were then tapped to send "Classic Federation Gameplay" over to the KDF.
Orions? Their ships are beam-only, brick-esque turning, cruisers - that pioneered the "My ship weak? Let's slap a hangar on it, call it some sort of Flight or Single Deck Carrier, and enjoy" maneuver.
Gorn? Their one and only "end game contribution" is the DSSV *cough* Varanus.
Nausicaans were tabbed over the Letheans to provide the "Escort".
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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Because it is made up as a red federation, nothing more nothing less. Klingons, Nausicaans, Orions and Gorn form one happy mass, talking in Klingon stereotypes and flying around whatever ship they can hold on to. While the Federation is supposed to be a somewhat homogenous culture (because even in star Trek we almost never go to individual core worlds with their own habits) it is entirely miscast for the Klingon Empire in my opinion. Nothing wrong with joining forces or having subjects, but it shouldn't be one red blurr but ships should be unique, even if only visually, to each "member" as well as social zones dedicated to every member (First City = Klingon, Gornar = gorn, Mercenary starbase = Nausicaans, Orions = Orion (albeit in STO I think it's not Orion any more) ). Every ship should have a skin and a freely selectable prefix in my opinion.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
why would the nausicaans be forced to use a starbase as their primary social zone when they have a homeworld, and a canon one to boot? (which is more than can be said for the gorn, because their homeworld is only ever mentioned in soft canon works)
and if remember my 2409 history correctly, the new orion homeworld is terjas mor
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why would the nausicaans be forced to use a starbase as their primary social zone when they have a homeworld, and a canon one to boot? (which is more than can be said for the gorn, because their homeworld is only ever mentioned in soft canon works)
and if remember my 2409 history correctly, the new orion homeworld is terjas mor
Fair point. I thought Nausicae is not on the map but I may have confused it with something else.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Seriously Cryptic foisting a Nausican design off on the Klingon Community as a Klingon Dreadnaught was not a well thought out move. I wish you had asked the Klingon Player base before you decided to do this. A Dreadnaught Bortas or Mogh would have been a far better choice. But no you assume that the Klingon players will choose non Klingon ships. I for one will NEVER buy with my hard earned cash a Nausican ship for my Klingon. I don't give a Rat's rear how great the sats are it is not a Klingon Ship PERIOD!
they're probably waiting to do t6 bort trio along with scimitar trio and some fed trio all at once
The Kolasi is also the primary reasons I didn't purchase the Qa'tel. Between Pilot Raptors, and the Mat'Ha (one of my favorite ships in the game), a Destroyers are relatively hard to come by, and I can't think of a single other Destroyer with a Hangar. This is a creature that is truly KDF.
While I certainly would have jumped at say a Ferasan Destroyer with a Hangar, this is close enough for now.
The only other thing they could have done is done a T6 Vo'quv Dreadnought which would have certainly been interesting.
I suspect we will see a T6 Vo'quv alongside the supposed Fed Carrier.
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*escort/destroyer/raptor, all basically the same thing.
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I just hope that in the future Cryptic does what they have been doing with the New Fed Carrier a design competition. There are MANY Klingon designs running around on the net that with a little sugar Cryptic could port over. Heck the old FASA Klingon module had basicly an amped up D-7 with 4 nacelles that was just bad azz looking.
So... don't buy the ship then? YOU play a Klingon, but there are plenty of people who don't play Klingon or don't care about the specifics. I'm sure a Klingon ship will come in due time, but don't mistake this one for a Dreadnought or any sort of statement on the epitome of Klingon design.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
Case in point, MY 4 most played KDF characters are 1. Alien (with a backstory tying her to Nausican clans) 2. An Orion, and she wears pants. 3 A Nausican and 4. A Gorn flying a T5-U bugship.
I've got a klingon science officer who was flying a mirror negh for a while, hasn't been played in quite some time.
The point is the KDF is not just klingons anymore and many people have asked for ships belonging to the other kdf races at T6 and the Garamba (originaly the request was for a fleet version) in particular for years.
The ship itself is TRIBBLE imho (spool up time and siege mode only for a free beam overload ?). But whatever, many people will be happy.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Seriously really? Resorting to name calling? That makes you the jackass and fool. The other posters made thier point in a civil manner and you come in all self rightous and start the name flinging. The magnitude of your immaturity is utterly staggering. This attitude maybe an inadvertant side effect of an education system more concerned with pumping out graduates then actually educating people and parents that failed in teaching manners to thier offspring. I feel sorry for you that you are so lacking in this social skill area clearly there was an injustice done to you. You have my most sincere pity.
On a more serious note - out of my 9 KDF characters 5 are Klingons, but my Nausicaan pirate needed his own T6 ship. And while I generally prefer native Klingon ship designs, I do hope that we'll be able to see an Orion T6 ship (preferably a Dacoit) soon enough, because my Orion needs a T6 ship as well.
There will always be dominance of Klingon ships in the KDF, so I'm not really sure as to why this complaining now. This is a fan favorite ship, it has been asked for for ages, it's really good to see a non-Klingon KDF ship at T6 even though Geko said at one point that they'll only be making Klingon designs and it looks awesome - the most unique ship. Frankly, I hope that among the myriad of Klingon T6 ships they take the time to make at least one T6 from each KDF affiliated species, including the Ferasans and Letheans. Divesrity is the spice of life.
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Basically: There are Non Klingon Characters in the KDF, even if you are not one, and there are people who like non-Klingon ships, even if you don't. And very rarely, the devs might decide to create a ship for someone who is not you, and you will have to deal with it.
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Confusing and weird? How?
I've noticed a pattern to "KDF ship classifications" - of course, the lines are blurring more now, as they're tossing everything everywhere. But this was the "original" pattern I saw, see if you agree with me:
The "Ethnic Klingon" design was centered around providing an "alternate playstyle" to Federation tactics, primarily due to the Cloak, primarily to make the KDF a "more offensive oriented race".
Hence their Tactical-based ships are "Raptors", cloaking "escorts". Their Engineering based ships are the cloaking, Dualie-cannon-packing (and remember, back then, DHCs were the 'gods' of DPS) glassier-hulled Battlecruisers. To differentiate Klingon Science, they were given the first ever "full carrier" Vo'Quv using fighter guns to make up for the 3/3 weapon loadout of science... To make the "iconic BoP" useful to everyone, it was given that "build her as you want her" all universal BOff layout...
The "allied races" were then tapped to send "Classic Federation Gameplay" over to the KDF.
Orions? Their ships are beam-only, brick-esque turning, cruisers - that pioneered the "My ship weak? Let's slap a hangar on it, call it some sort of Flight or Single Deck Carrier, and enjoy" maneuver.
Gorn? Their one and only "end game contribution" is the DSSV *cough* Varanus.
Nausicaans were tabbed over the Letheans to provide the "Escort".
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Because it is made up as a red federation, nothing more nothing less. Klingons, Nausicaans, Orions and Gorn form one happy mass, talking in Klingon stereotypes and flying around whatever ship they can hold on to. While the Federation is supposed to be a somewhat homogenous culture (because even in star Trek we almost never go to individual core worlds with their own habits) it is entirely miscast for the Klingon Empire in my opinion. Nothing wrong with joining forces or having subjects, but it shouldn't be one red blurr but ships should be unique, even if only visually, to each "member" as well as social zones dedicated to every member (First City = Klingon, Gornar = gorn, Mercenary starbase = Nausicaans, Orions = Orion (albeit in STO I think it's not Orion any more) ). Every ship should have a skin and a freely selectable prefix in my opinion.
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and if remember my 2409 history correctly, the new orion homeworld is terjas mor
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Fair point. I thought Nausicae is not on the map but I may have confused it with something else.
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and star charts has it somewhere in the beta quadrant
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I haven't decided on the other two, but the Kolasi is on my short list for this weekend, maybe even tonight.
It's great to see member species getting ship updates. Personally my Ferasans love using the Nausican Space Fish.
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While I certainly would have jumped at say a Ferasan Destroyer with a Hangar, this is close enough for now.
The only other thing they could have done is done a T6 Vo'quv Dreadnought which would have certainly been interesting.
I suspect we will see a T6 Vo'quv alongside the supposed Fed Carrier.
I have to say that I like this set more than most since the ships are uniquely different.
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