Request: Formal Suits For Females, Femstances For Males

orangeitis · September 2015

For the suit thing, it's ridiculous why we don't already have that. Champions Online has it. And the stances are stances, they denote personality. And there's no reason males wouldn't have feminine/cute/seductive personalities, especially by the year 2409/2410.

And @crypticjoejing, the excuse that stuff like this doesn't fit the [IRL] times isn't an excuse for Star Trek, and it never was. I hope you guys understand this and consider my request.

jodarkrider · September 2015

You know I'm with you on this 100000 00000 000 %.
And doesn't fit IRL? Oh please. I wore a suit on my husband's cousin's wedding just two weeks ago, had people complimenting me on it too.

angrytarg · September 2015

Anyone actually objecting to that because it "doesn't fit IRL" should technically not have business playing a Star Trek game. Seriously.

But thinking about that, there were people even in official functions who claimed they cannot let their kids ever play this game because of a homosexual Klingon couple. So maybe there are people like this around here

jodarkrider · September 2015

This whole restricting stuff to us, in terms of costumes doesn't work.

Just look at the absurd contrast here - They go all the way to give players weird ships, which are more nonsense from Trek-standpoint.

And yet, on the opposite side of the coin - they are all... I am sorry to say, uptight about what costumes are available to our characters. This is WHY this whole thing is frustrating to no end. Not everyone wants to collect weird ships. Some of us want to enjoy our characters, make stories and roleplay.

This no-formal suit for females and restriction of stances is yet another example of such restriction.

artan42 · September 2015

I think @zeroniusrex said she might look into females being allowed suits when they were given away early on in the year.

I don't really like the suits anyway, they're missing options to remove the jacket, remove the waistcoat, not wear a tie, open collars, that sort of thing.

Also, sure unlock the stances, I don't really care, my characters and BOFFs only ever use a mix of standard, thoughtful, gruff, twitchy, and in one case, brawler. I find cute, relaxed, feminine, and seductive to look awkward and unusable. But, just because I won't use them, I don't see why others can't.

hypl · September 2015

Still waiting for those damn skants...

alexraptorr · September 2015

Pretty sure Cryptic tend to adhere to social norms to appeal to the majority. Don't expect that to change.
It just isn't profitable to cater to a minority. Heck most of the gaming industry STILL seems to cater to Heterosexual Males, despite the fact that there are pretty much just as many women that play video games these days as men.

In addition, cross-gender outfits involve A LOT more than just pushing some buttons, it requires a complete rework of the model geometry of the outfits to make them fit on the different character models.

markhawkman · September 2015

ooohhhh... pretty
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orangeitis · September 2015

jodarkrider wrote: »

You know I'm with you on this 100000 00000 000 %.
And doesn't fit IRL? Oh please. I wore a suit on my husband's cousin's wedding just two weeks ago, had people complimenting me on it too.

More females should wear suits.

angrytarg wrote: »

But thinking about that, there were people even in official functions who claimed they cannot let their kids ever play this game because of a homosexual Klingon couple. So maybe there are people like this around here

Yes, and the devs, like us, recognize that there's nothing wrong with that homosexual Klingon couple. But then, why don't they recognize the same thing about this? If they're worried about losing players over it, why aren't they worried about losing players over the homosexual Klingon couple? Hell, my request isn't even an LGBT issue. It's merely a request for more diverse styles.

alexraptorr wrote: »

Pretty sure Cryptic tend to adhere to social norms to appeal to the majority. Don't expect that to change.
It just isn't profitable to cater to a minority. Heck most of the gaming industry STILL seems to cater to Heterosexual Males, despite the fact that there are pretty much just as many women that play video games these days as men.

I expect them to not necessarily adhere to social norms because the gamed in question is a Star Trek game. Because that's one of the most important aspects of Star Trek. And besides, they should adhere to the social norms of the fictional world they're designing, not the social norms of an outside influence, aka real life. And social norms 300 years from now most likely wouldn't match ours.

And besides, there are male NPCs using the female-exclusive stances. Look around and you can find some. And don't get me started on females wearing suits. Even without Jan's awesome example up there, IMHO it's not uncommon enough to exclude it from being the "social norm" even by today's standards.

shadowfirefly00 · September 2015

And speaking of females wearing suits, I thought I'd do a bit of wandering down memory lane, aided with a bit of Google-fu, to share this image:

Source

artan42 · September 2015

alexraptorr wrote: »

Pretty sure Cryptic tend to adhere to social norms to appeal to the majority. Don't expect that to change.

It's hardly out of the modern social norms for females to wear suits or for men to stand in awkward position they bend their hips unnaturally

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ilithyn · September 2015

shadowfirefly00 wrote: »

And speaking of females wearing suits, I thought I'd do a bit of wandering down memory lane, aided with a bit of Google-fu, to share this image:

Source

I would pay good money to dress my female characters in this way. Just saying.

jodarkrider · September 2015

ilithyn wrote: »

I would pay good money to dress my female characters in this way. Just saying.

As long as we could recolor it to classic black... I agree. XD

orangeitis · September 2015

jodarkrider wrote: »

ilithyn wrote: »

I would pay good money to dress my female characters in this way. Just saying.

As long as we could recolor it to classic black... I agree. XD

If they just unlocked the current formal suit for females, it should operate the same way. I think.

artan42 · September 2015

orangeitis wrote: »

jodarkrider wrote: »

ilithyn wrote: »

I would pay good money to dress my female characters in this way. Just saying.

As long as we could recolor it to classic black... I agree. XD

If they just unlocked the current formal suit for females, it should operate the same way. I think.

You can't remove the waistcoat from the current version.

orangeitis · September 2015

artan42 wrote: »

orangeitis wrote: »

jodarkrider wrote: »

ilithyn wrote: »

I would pay good money to dress my female characters in this way. Just saying.

As long as we could recolor it to classic black... I agree. XD

If they just unlocked the current formal suit for females, it should operate the same way. I think.

You can't remove the waistcoat from the current version.

I don't understand how that's relevant.

angrytarg · September 2015

I'd wish they would introduce age-apropriate (futuristic tunics maybe) formal wear that's usable by both. It always irked me why we get 20th century formal wear and no, it doesn't even reconstruct the dixon hill holodeck stories, it's just there out of context. And of course it's only human themed.

artan42 · September 2015

orangeitis wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

orangeitis wrote: »

jodarkrider wrote: »

ilithyn wrote: »

I would pay good money to dress my female characters in this way. Just saying.

As long as we could recolor it to classic black... I agree. XD

If they just unlocked the current formal suit for females, it should operate the same way. I think.

You can't remove the waistcoat from the current version.

I don't understand how that's relevant.

Well, because it won't look like the example posted.

falcon3000prime · September 2015

What's genuinely amusing is that STO has one of the more liberal and wide-ranging character creators, but because of the inability to fully cross-dress, trans-this and trans-that, a minuscule percentage of the overall community wants to boss the developers of the game around. Talk about your "2%."

For the OP, you want a game that has nothing to do with Star Trek; perhaps you should go find one, and quit trying to force this game to accommodate your every... whim.

orangeitis · September 2015

falcon3000prime wrote: »

What's genuinely amusing is that STO has one of the more liberal and wide-ranging character creators, but because of the inability to fully cross-dress, trans-this and trans-that, a minuscule percentage of the overall community wants to boss the developers of the game around. Talk about your "2%."

This has nothing to do with "trans" anything. And one would think that it wouldn't have anything to do with "cross dressing" either, as not only would humanity probably not be so strict with sex- and/or gender-assigned clothing, alien species probably wouldn't adhere to the same practices humanity did hundreds of years prior.

And where'd you get anyone "wanting to boss the developers of the game around" anyway? What on Earth are you talking about?

falcon3000prime wrote: »

For the OP, you want a game that has nothing to do with Star Trek; perhaps you should go find one, and quit trying to force this game to accommodate your every... whim.

This has everything to do with Star Trek. Have you been paying attention at all to the thread? Or even to the OP?

Also, posting threads about a topic is about as forceful as posting responses to those threads, @falcon3000prime.

artan42 · September 2015

falcon3000prime wrote: »

What's genuinely amusing is that STO has one of the more liberal and wide-ranging character creators, but because of the inability to fully cross-dress, trans-this and trans-that, a minuscule percentage of the overall community wants to boss the developers of the game around. Talk about your "2%."

For the OP, you want a game that has nothing to do with Star Trek; perhaps you should go find one, and quit trying to force this game to accommodate your every... whim.

You think females in suits are cross dressing? That's incorrect, it's more and more common everyday.

Also, you think requests are a type of 'force'? To offer choice is not 'force', to prevent choices is 'force'.

angrytarg · September 2015

artan42 wrote: »

You think females in suits are cross dressing? Maybe you need to get out the basement more.

Also, you think requests are a type of 'force'? Maybe check a dictionary on the way out of your basement.

Please, don't interfere with the very special diet these fascinating creatures require and abstain from feeding

artan42 · September 2015

angrytarg wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

You think females in suits are cross dressing? Maybe you need to get out the basement more.

Also, you think requests are a type of 'force'? Maybe check a dictionary on the way out of your basement.

Please, don't interfere with the very special diet these fascinating creatures require and abstain from feeding

I know. I know. I woke up on the wrong side today...

...In the Mirror Universe

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orangeitis · September 2015

artan42 wrote: »

falcon3000prime wrote: »

What's genuinely amusing is that STO has one of the more liberal and wide-ranging character creators, but because of the inability to fully cross-dress, trans-this and trans-that, a minuscule percentage of the overall community wants to boss the developers of the game around. Talk about your "2%."

For the OP, you want a game that has nothing to do with Star Trek; perhaps you should go find one, and quit trying to force this game to accommodate your every... whim.

You think females in suits are cross dressing? Maybe you need to get out the basement more.

Also, you think requests are a type of 'force'? Maybe check a dictionary on the way out of your basement.

No need to insult him/her. Just because someone you disagree with is insulting doesn't mean you should sink to that level as well. Insults will more likely than not escalate the conflict. This needs to be handled by logic and reason. You're on the right track with your message, but it probably just needs to be phrased clearer, rather than as a mean-spirited retort.

jodarkrider · September 2015

orangeitis wrote: »

No need to insult him/her. Just because someone you disagree with is insulting doesn't mean you should sink to that level as well. Insults will more likely than not escalate the conflict. This needs to be handled by logic and reason. You're on the right track with your message, but it probably just needs to be phrased clearer, rather than as a mean-spirited retort.

The real problem is, people, who think they have right to dictate what OTHERS and their characters can or cannot wear, based on their own perceptions. If everyone just moved on, and minded their own characters, rather than to try to force their own perceptions on others, we would be fine, @orangeitis.

artan42 · September 2015

orangeitis wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

falcon3000prime wrote: »

What's genuinely amusing is that STO has one of the more liberal and wide-ranging character creators, but because of the inability to fully cross-dress, trans-this and trans-that, a minuscule percentage of the overall community wants to boss the developers of the game around. Talk about your "2%."

For the OP, you want a game that has nothing to do with Star Trek; perhaps you should go find one, and quit trying to force this game to accommodate your every... whim.

You think females in suits are cross dressing? Maybe you need to get out the basement more.

Also, you think requests are a type of 'force'? Maybe check a dictionary on the way out of your basement.

No need to insult him/her. Just because someone you disagree with is insulting doesn't mean you should sink to that level as well. Insults will more likely than not escalate the conflict. This needs to be handled by logic and reason. You're on the right track with your message, but it probably just needs to be phrased clearer, rather than as a mean-spirited retort.

I know, I was a bit annoyed at the time for other reasons. I can go back and edit it if you wan't, it'd probably help.

orangeitis · September 2015

jodarkrider wrote: »

orangeitis wrote: »

No need to insult him/her. Just because someone you disagree with is insulting doesn't mean you should sink to that level as well. Insults will more likely than not escalate the conflict. This needs to be handled by logic and reason. You're on the right track with your message, but it probably just needs to be phrased clearer, rather than as a mean-spirited retort.

The real problem is, people, who think they have right to dictate what OTHERS and their characters can or cannot wear, based on their own perceptions. If everyone just moved on, and minded their own characters, rather than to try to force their own perceptions on others, we would be fine, @orangeitis.

That's the biggest problem here, no doubt. But we won't come close to solving that problem by insulting anyone. It creates more divisiveness, as in the minds of the ones receiving the insults, they perceive the insulter, and by extension everyone that has the same view as 'the bad guy'. Humans have a tendency to develop tribes of thought merely by who brands them the enemy. It's a vicious circle that retards progress and creates unnecessary hostility.

I understand your frustration. I'd argue that I understand it far more than many people here. But I believe that the key to an inclusive environment is to not think of people that disagree as an opposition that needs their fallacious ramblings insulted and ridiculed until they reluctantly give in, because that probably won't happen, but by considering themselves ally [humans] that from their view point don't yet have reasons to be convinced. If given enough of a chance, even the most ignorant of bigots will begin to understand.

artan42 wrote: »

I know, I was a bit annoyed at the time for other reasons. I can go back and edit it if you wan't, it'd probably help.

Probably too late now, but it's good to know the context. =D

Anyway, back on topic!

alex284 · September 2015

This game won't even let me use the TOS earpiece on male boffs. Yes, Uhura is best known for it, but Chekov, Spock, and several male extras also wore it in the series.

ilithyn · September 2015

alex284 wrote: »

This game won't even let me use the TOS earpiece on male boffs. Yes, Uhura is best known for it, but Chekov, Spock, and several male extras also wore it in the series.

Also, low heeled boots are female's only despite the fact that Kirk wore a pair like them through most of TOS.

orangeitis · September 2015

alex284 wrote: »

This game won't even let me use the TOS earpiece on male boffs. Yes, Uhura is best known for it, but Chekov, Spock, and several male extras also wore it in the series.

Not only that, it's acknowledged that there were other ships during the timeline TOS covers. Were all their communications officers female? Highly unlikely.

I want a Star Trek game set in the entire Star Trek universe continuity, not a Star Trek game that only acknowledges the events of what took place on-screen. I don't want an Uhura, I want my own communications officer. And just because he might have a pen0r between his legs doesn't mean he can't have a metal one sticking out of his ear as well.

tk79 · September 2015

While you're at it, unlock the Nerve Tonic dance for males too.
Neverwinter has it (for free) for males and females.
Please and thank you.

Request: Formal Suits For Females, Femstances For Males

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