....That happens when you sell too much powercreep in advance. One would think that Cryptic learned this lesson long ago.....
It's all about the money, money , mo-ney, MOney......
Cryptic has decided that selling over-priced digital $30+ ships is way easier than actually making quality content. Any other game this would never be tolerated, but people keep going they have to make money somehow. Cryptic has decided to live off the whales and the gambling addicts, instead of bringing prices down across the board so that more people might actually spend money. It's the Wal-Mart vs. Boutique store philosophy, Wal-Mart makes more money than the boutique because of volume selling. This works even better in a digital environment where all the work is done on the initial item but everything after it is a copy and paste.
This game has become more about milking players love of Star Trek or encouraging unsavory gambling addictions. The game is blatant P2W and what is sad is it doesn't have to be to make money, Cryptic is just taking the short term easy route.
To Do List to make this ship acually worth the 3000 Zen for me:
1. Make the Ensing-Tac an universal BOFF Slot, maybe even upgrade it to a Lt Universal (Seriously,
why do almost all T6 ships get an universal slot, some even get two (one a LtC) and this gets NONE?)
2. Make the Lt-Tac a Lt-Tac/Com instead of the LtC-Eng/Com (I would still prefer Pilot though)
And another thing:
At least write somewhere in the stats that this ship needs the MVAM-console to acutally separate.
You mentioned several times in the text that this ship is a variant of the Prometheus, a refit ot the
MVA Escort, that the High-Energy Plasma Expulsers works also in MVA mode, you show pics of the
ship separating but you never mentioned in the text that you need to purchase another ship for
2500 Zen to make this work. If a (new) player buys a "Prometheus Variant" for an equivalent of 30$,
he expects the thing to separate and not to have to spent additional 25$.
I personally don't care about the MVAM as long as it does not get a huge buff, but I suspect several
players will buy this and will be very disappointed that this thing does not separate.
I wish we could get that separation sequence soundbite in the game!
That soundbite along with those Romulan uniforms would both be welcome additions to the game!
The current ship stats don't impress me! Yes, it's a nice looking ship, but it needs a $5 upgrade to fleet right out of the box. I already have the Hephaestus ship costume, which is nice, so I don't need that. As others have stated, an Intel BO slot would have made this ship much more attractive to purchase. As it stands, the only way i would buy this ship is if I could claim it and use it on my Fed Romulan. I also would have purchased this ship if it had the Prometheus interior to go along with it in a bundle.
I wish we could get that separation sequence soundbite in the game!
That soundbite along with those Romulan uniforms would both be welcome additions to the game!
The current ship stats don't impress me! Yes, it's a nice looking ship, but it needs a $5 upgrade to fleet right out of the box. I already have the Hephaestus ship costume, which is nice, so I don't need that. As others have stated, an Intel BO slot would have made this ship much more attractive to purchase. As it stands, the only way i would buy this ship is if I could claim it and use it on my Fed Romulan. I also would have purchased this ship if it had the Prometheus interior to go along with it in a bundle.
Having en EMH Mark 2 would be cool as well Not necessarily doing anything, just summonable from consoles throughout a redesigned interior..
Darn, that MVAM just looks hilarious. The top aft portion of the ship is missing the "saucer" section, making it look like flying nacelles.
I'm a sucker for canon, and they got the MVAM right when they first introduced it, save for the main saucer's mini nacelles but now, it looks even more jarring.
Before
After
Or take this from Reddit for a better example. That snub-nosed section just looks too dorky. It needs its saucer section back.
It's a bug with the cannon Promy skin (if you look at it in-game and in the ship store at a shipyard, you can see there are holes where part of the beta section would be connected to the saucer while not separated) -- it's is being resolved. The Beta section of the Hestia is designed as pictured above, and that's not a bug.
P.S. I asked Gorngonzolla about the set bonus: 2-piece set bonus = MVAM console (which is only way Hestia can separate) + the Hestia console = +energy damage and +crit chance.
Hmm I'm a big fan of the ship class... I'm inclined to get her and work with her. As an engineering Captain some of the issues caused by hybridising the engineer boff are mitigated. I also have a lot of gear, traits and rep tailored towards hull and regen... which might help.
As to the visuals... I'm inclined to go Haphaesteus for beta and gamma, Hestia for Alpha and nacelles and look at my current config for pylons. (I currently do this with the T5-U... Haphaesteus bottom, Prometheus Alpha and nacelles). And I will probably use the new skin for the overall effect.
I'm wondering if using the other hull elements will retain the more traditional docking elements.
This is what Cryptic plays while they make all these new ships, they do not think about what they are doing on the ships, they just listen to the music and that is how TRIBBLE like this are born: https://youtu.be/eNEdcOeY2G4
I was really looking toward to getting this ship but you guys have ****ed it up so bad on the stats that not even my money wants it - and hell I have waaaaaay to much money to spend. So since you ****ed me over with these TRIBBLE STATIONS and didn't even give it a 5/2 weapon set up to be at least in par with the Pilot escorts, not to mention the the fact that there is no Universal seat... I think I take my revenge by getting this ship by Dilithium conversion and not give you a cent.
I am not really a fan of the visuals of the new ship nor of its boff layout.
Granted, with command and ample tac, it could be used as a potent torpedo bomber and a bit of variety from BFAW.
For the feds i am partial to the intrepid for a bomber build so if i wanted to make a trico bomber i would not purchase the T6 Prometheus to do so.
To each their own though
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Wait, What? No Pilot seating on an Escort? Why put a Command seat there? Otherwise, I like the design.
Well, they did make the T6 escort carrier a pilot ship, so it makes sense that this would have to use something else. I expect that when we get a T6 Saber variant it'll have intel seating most likely.
The MVAC also has a hole around where the engines are connected to the ALPHA and BETA area, you can see it here:
Man did you people mess up a lot of stuff on this ship!
HELL YEAH!!! Command Boff seating! Anyone smell the torp boat here? TORPS! Lol, This is going to my sci toon with all the love of a pair of concentrate firepower, torp spread and adapted maco 2 piece. mwahahahaha!
Wonder if the photonic fleet will count for the starship trait though. Bet it will be broken though. WHO CARES!!! Torpboat!!
The MVAC also has a hole around where the engines are connected to the ALPHA and BETA area, you can see it here:
Man did you people mess up a lot of stuff on this ship!
They are doing it right!.. Now if only they can fix those stats and add: 5/2 weapon loadout.
1 universal station.
Switch Command seats to Intel/Pilot ones (Preferably Pilot).
And this ship will sell like crazy, but since that will 99% not happen... Whatever.
the prometheus is one of the most popular and my fav canon federation ship but the boff layout in this game make it horrible.
thank you for giving me such a good reason not to buy it. i spent way too much on other ships already.
Wait, What? No Pilot seating on an Escort? Why put a Command seat there? Otherwise, I like the design.
Well, they did make the T6 escort carrier a pilot ship, so it makes sense that this would have to use something else. I expect that when we get a T6 Saber variant it'll have intel seating most likely.
I dunno, the Sabre looks more like a Pilot ship to me. Intel might be Patrol Escort perhaps?
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Wait, What? No Pilot seating on an Escort? Why put a Command seat there? Otherwise, I like the design.
Well, they did make the T6 escort carrier a pilot ship, so it makes sense that this would have to use something else. I expect that when we get a T6 Saber variant it'll have intel seating most likely.
I dunno, the Sabre looks more like a Pilot ship to me. Intel might be Patrol Escort perhaps?
I always assumed that the patrol escort was more geared towards a support role, not unlike the Blockade Runner Escort Retrofit. Command would have been more appropriate in that case.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
....That happens when you sell too much powercreep in advance. One would think that Cryptic learned this lesson long ago.....
It's all about the money, money , mo-ney, MOney......
Cryptic has decided that selling over-priced digital $30+ ships is way easier than actually making quality content. Any other game this would never be tolerated, but people keep going they have to make money somehow. Cryptic has decided to live off the whales and the gambling addicts, instead of bringing prices down across the board so that more people might actually spend money. It's the Wal-Mart vs. Boutique store philosophy, Wal-Mart makes more money than the boutique because of volume selling. This works even better in a digital environment where all the work is done on the initial item but everything after it is a copy and paste.
This game has become more about milking players love of Star Trek or encouraging unsavory gambling addictions. The game is blatant P2W and what is sad is it doesn't have to be to make money, Cryptic is just taking the short term easy route.
Now for all the defenders to come out...
grimjax69; you nailed it man, fair and square.
Though I am a little worried about how long is it going to last... Eventually we'll run out of thingies to shoot at with these beauties and that moment will be ugly.
I am not really a fan of the visuals of the new ship nor of its boff layout.
Granted, with command and ample tac, it could be used as a potent torpedo bomber and a bit of variety from BFAW.
For the feds i am partial to the intrepid for a bomber build so if i wanted to make a trico bomber i would not purchase the T6 Prometheus to do so.
To each their own though
changing the Ensign Tac to a Universal will not be enough to save it from being a MAJOR Flop, having that Command Seat on it instead of a Intel or Pilot Seat is a 100% NOGO, also the Fact that the Special Seat is on top of the LtCom Eng making any experiments there close to none, having only 4 Tac Slots on a T6 Escort is another Bad Joke, so 30Bucks + another 5 Bucks for the Fleet Version would be needed to "fix" that and that would not be even Account Wide........
this Ship or at least the Layout is so BADLY Flawed that i 1) cant believe that they really came up with that nonsense in the First Place and 2) that they really think about releasing that broken thing
Quick Fix to turn this Ship to something worth buying would be:
Switch Ensign Tac to Universal, or BETTER remove Ensign Tac and Upgrade the LtTac to a LtComTac and make THIS one the Hybrid (Intel or Pilot) leaving the LtComEng ALONE, OR if 3 LtCom Stations are considered to OP than, another Option would be, Change Ensign Tac to Universal, upgrade LtTac to LtComTac and make it the Hybrid Seat (intel / Pilot) AND downgrade the LtComEng to a LtEng this way no 3 LtCom Stations no OP,
and the third thing to do, Give the C-Store Version 5 Tac / 2 Eng / 3 Sci Console Slots, and Slap a Third Eng Console on the Fleet version.
THIS is a Ship that People would like, THIS is a Ship that would sell, THIS is a Ship that would make sense, not that nonsense that they come up with. The way the Hestia is right now, its DEAD on Arrival.
THIS is a Ship that People would like, THIS is a Ship that would sell, THIS is a Ship that would make sense, not that nonsense that they come up with. The way the Hestia is right now, its DEAD on Arrival.
I can think of other options that would work. Heck, just making the MVAM worth having would make it work- two good solid pets with the ability to actually hang in the battle without dying with the first warp core explosion would count for a lot.
And "DEAD on Arrival"? I wish. There'll be people who buy this. There are people who will buy anything. This game lives on them.
THIS is a Ship that People would like, THIS is a Ship that would sell, THIS is a Ship that would make sense, not that nonsense that they come up with. The way the Hestia is right now, its DEAD on Arrival.
And "DEAD on Arrival"? I wish. There'll be people who buy this. There are people who will buy anything. This game lives on them.
and those People who blindly buy everything - good or TRIBBLE - are the reason why cryptic gets away with this all the time, why they keep doing this.....*sigh*
THIS is a Ship that People would like, THIS is a Ship that would sell, THIS is a Ship that would make sense, not that nonsense that they come up with. The way the Hestia is right now, its DEAD on Arrival.
And "DEAD on Arrival"? I wish. There'll be people who buy this. There are people who will buy anything. This game lives on them.
and those People who blindly buy everything - good or TRIBBLE - are the reason why cryptic gets away with this all the time, why they keep doing this.....*sigh*
I actually feel like some people are blindly dismissing the ship, because they don't care that the variant looks very beautiful and the Prometheus itself also gets an art upgrade.
For some people, it's not all about game statistics, you know?
It's not like this is a Tier 2 ship with the highest ranked slot a Lt.Cmdr. It's still a Tier 6 ship with all the bells and whistles. It will blow up Borg Cubes, Voth Bulwarks and Herald ships left & right in any mission or queue you care to do with it. Just like all the other Tier 6 ships. You might not be able to reach the DPS Top 10 (but even that remanis to be seen, because we don't know yet how its Flame Aura is going to work - maybe it's the next Nadeon Saturation Bomb?), but that is relevant for only a tiny amount of players in this game.
Sure, Cryptic needs to get its game balance right and it would be a lot better if all ships were equally powerful, but just because a particular ship isn't as powerful as some others doesn't mean it's worthless and non one should ever fly it.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Sure, Cryptic needs to get its game balance right and it would be a lot better if all ships were equally powerful, but just because a particular ship isn't as powerful as some others doesn't mean it's worthless and non one should ever fly it.
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It's all about the money, money , mo-ney, MOney......
Cryptic has decided that selling over-priced digital $30+ ships is way easier than actually making quality content. Any other game this would never be tolerated, but people keep going they have to make money somehow. Cryptic has decided to live off the whales and the gambling addicts, instead of bringing prices down across the board so that more people might actually spend money. It's the Wal-Mart vs. Boutique store philosophy, Wal-Mart makes more money than the boutique because of volume selling. This works even better in a digital environment where all the work is done on the initial item but everything after it is a copy and paste.
This game has become more about milking players love of Star Trek or encouraging unsavory gambling addictions. The game is blatant P2W and what is sad is it doesn't have to be to make money, Cryptic is just taking the short term easy route.
Now for all the defenders to come out...
1. Make the Ensing-Tac an universal BOFF Slot, maybe even upgrade it to a Lt Universal (Seriously,
why do almost all T6 ships get an universal slot, some even get two (one a LtC) and this gets NONE?)
2. Make the Lt-Tac a Lt-Tac/Com instead of the LtC-Eng/Com (I would still prefer Pilot though)
And another thing:
At least write somewhere in the stats that this ship needs the MVAM-console to acutally separate.
You mentioned several times in the text that this ship is a variant of the Prometheus, a refit ot the
MVA Escort, that the High-Energy Plasma Expulsers works also in MVA mode, you show pics of the
ship separating but you never mentioned in the text that you need to purchase another ship for
2500 Zen to make this work. If a (new) player buys a "Prometheus Variant" for an equivalent of 30$,
he expects the thing to separate and not to have to spent additional 25$.
I personally don't care about the MVAM as long as it does not get a huge buff, but I suspect several
players will buy this and will be very disappointed that this thing does not separate.
Is there going to be any changes to the cooldown on MVAM before the Hestia goes live? It's still way to long.
That soundbite along with those Romulan uniforms would both be welcome additions to the game!
The current ship stats don't impress me! Yes, it's a nice looking ship, but it needs a $5 upgrade to fleet right out of the box. I already have the Hephaestus ship costume, which is nice, so I don't need that. As others have stated, an Intel BO slot would have made this ship much more attractive to purchase. As it stands, the only way i would buy this ship is if I could claim it and use it on my Fed Romulan. I also would have purchased this ship if it had the Prometheus interior to go along with it in a bundle.
Having en EMH Mark 2 would be cool as well Not necessarily doing anything, just summonable from consoles throughout a redesigned interior..
Hmm I'm a big fan of the ship class... I'm inclined to get her and work with her. As an engineering Captain some of the issues caused by hybridising the engineer boff are mitigated. I also have a lot of gear, traits and rep tailored towards hull and regen... which might help.
As to the visuals... I'm inclined to go Haphaesteus for beta and gamma, Hestia for Alpha and nacelles and look at my current config for pylons. (I currently do this with the T5-U... Haphaesteus bottom, Prometheus Alpha and nacelles). And I will probably use the new skin for the overall effect.
I'm wondering if using the other hull elements will retain the more traditional docking elements.
I was really looking toward to getting this ship but you guys have ****ed it up so bad on the stats that not even my money wants it - and hell I have waaaaaay to much money to spend. So since you ****ed me over with these TRIBBLE STATIONS and didn't even give it a 5/2 weapon set up to be at least in par with the Pilot escorts, not to mention the the fact that there is no Universal seat... I think I take my revenge by getting this ship by Dilithium conversion and not give you a cent.
Granted, with command and ample tac, it could be used as a potent torpedo bomber and a bit of variety from BFAW.
For the feds i am partial to the intrepid for a bomber build so if i wanted to make a trico bomber i would not purchase the T6 Prometheus to do so.
To each their own though
P.s. this is the best song about money ever
Man did you people mess up a lot of stuff on this ship!
Wonder if the photonic fleet will count for the starship trait though. Bet it will be broken though. WHO CARES!!! Torpboat!!
IF that happened, the community would have to go through me first
Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
They are doing it right!.. Now if only they can fix those stats and add:
5/2 weapon loadout.
1 universal station.
Switch Command seats to Intel/Pilot ones (Preferably Pilot).
And this ship will sell like crazy, but since that will 99% not happen... Whatever.
thank you for giving me such a good reason not to buy it. i spent way too much on other ships already.
I dunno, the Sabre looks more like a Pilot ship to me. Intel might be Patrol Escort perhaps?
I always assumed that the patrol escort was more geared towards a support role, not unlike the Blockade Runner Escort Retrofit. Command would have been more appropriate in that case.
@cryptic_ttc: One more thing - last night I updated the front of the Hestia's beta section to better match the other variants.
Could you please ask him to tell whoever is in charge of deciding stats to make the ensign tac universal?
Its for Cryptic's own good really.
grimjax69; you nailed it man, fair and square.
Though I am a little worried about how long is it going to last... Eventually we'll run out of thingies to shoot at with these beauties and that moment will be ugly.
But yeah, this ship definitely has potential.
My character Tsin'xing
changing the Ensign Tac to a Universal will not be enough to save it from being a MAJOR Flop, having that Command Seat on it instead of a Intel or Pilot Seat is a 100% NOGO, also the Fact that the Special Seat is on top of the LtCom Eng making any experiments there close to none, having only 4 Tac Slots on a T6 Escort is another Bad Joke, so 30Bucks + another 5 Bucks for the Fleet Version would be needed to "fix" that and that would not be even Account Wide........
this Ship or at least the Layout is so BADLY Flawed that i 1) cant believe that they really came up with that nonsense in the First Place and 2) that they really think about releasing that broken thing
Quick Fix to turn this Ship to something worth buying would be:
Switch Ensign Tac to Universal, or BETTER remove Ensign Tac and Upgrade the LtTac to a LtComTac and make THIS one the Hybrid (Intel or Pilot) leaving the LtComEng ALONE, OR if 3 LtCom Stations are considered to OP than, another Option would be, Change Ensign Tac to Universal, upgrade LtTac to LtComTac and make it the Hybrid Seat (intel / Pilot) AND downgrade the LtComEng to a LtEng this way no 3 LtCom Stations no OP,
and the third thing to do, Give the C-Store Version 5 Tac / 2 Eng / 3 Sci Console Slots, and Slap a Third Eng Console on the Fleet version.
THIS is a Ship that People would like, THIS is a Ship that would sell, THIS is a Ship that would make sense, not that nonsense that they come up with. The way the Hestia is right now, its DEAD on Arrival.
I can think of other options that would work. Heck, just making the MVAM worth having would make it work- two good solid pets with the ability to actually hang in the battle without dying with the first warp core explosion would count for a lot.
And "DEAD on Arrival"? I wish. There'll be people who buy this. There are people who will buy anything. This game lives on them.
and those People who blindly buy everything - good or TRIBBLE - are the reason why cryptic gets away with this all the time, why they keep doing this.....*sigh*
I actually feel like some people are blindly dismissing the ship, because they don't care that the variant looks very beautiful and the Prometheus itself also gets an art upgrade.
For some people, it's not all about game statistics, you know?
It's not like this is a Tier 2 ship with the highest ranked slot a Lt.Cmdr. It's still a Tier 6 ship with all the bells and whistles. It will blow up Borg Cubes, Voth Bulwarks and Herald ships left & right in any mission or queue you care to do with it. Just like all the other Tier 6 ships. You might not be able to reach the DPS Top 10 (but even that remanis to be seen, because we don't know yet how its Flame Aura is going to work - maybe it's the next Nadeon Saturation Bomb?), but that is relevant for only a tiny amount of players in this game.
Sure, Cryptic needs to get its game balance right and it would be a lot better if all ships were equally powerful, but just because a particular ship isn't as powerful as some others doesn't mean it's worthless and non one should ever fly it.
^ this
Couldn't agree more...
Nerfing is Fraud...