Its Time for an ALL Turret Build - Opinions welcome

taylor1701d · September 2015

It's time, I've got nothing better to do in game atm, so I'm going to finally start on my little Turret boat project.
Just want some feedback on possible Turret Types and Ship platforms from the community.

What do you think would be the best turrets to use ?
I figured since they are low damage to begin with, I'd go with some ADV Fleet Antiproton Turrets @ [CrtD] [Dmg]x3
Although I was tempted to go the exchange route and pick up some DMGx4 (AP's or Disruptors) but they are freaking expensive for a turret build... so leaning heavily on the ADV Fleet versions.

I had also considered going with some CrtHx3 Dmg turrets due to the damage on them being so low.
Really not sure what I want to do now. So maybe I can get some advice to point me in the right direction (on mods or even energy type)

Second Step is to decide on a proper ship.
8 weapon slots preferred, and it must have good Tac ability capabilities.
I've got these ships in mind as possible turret platforms.
-T5U Excelsior
-Nandi
-T6 Samsar (still boxed)
-T6 Benthan

Other options may include a Carrier (but they typically don't have 8 weapon slots - So that's a minus in my book - but if someone knows a good carrier I should use, I'm willing to forego a weapon slot for pets)

I've got these Carriers;
-T6 Breen
-T5U Recluse
-T5U JHDC

Should I go Carrier ? Or Should I go Crusier...having a hard deciding here.
I have Elite Recluse pets.. JHAS pets.. 2x Elite Rom Scorpions...

What else ? Any other recommendations ?
(Yes I know this will be subpar DPS wise...but my goal is to hit 20k+ with the build, and will bring it as far as possible for kicks - already have most consoles and ship gear I'd need).

Ship sets and console recommendations are also welcome.
Will be putting any advice received to good use. Fire away.

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sdkraust · September 2015

Counter Command Set w/ the special Radiation Turret

Use a hybrid of Phasers and Disruptors

taylor1701d · September 2015

repetitiveepic wrote: »

Rainbow turret b'rel has always been the one unbeatable build in sto

Tried a Rainbow "Dual Proc" turret build before DR...was about 5-8k DPS, which was not bad for the time. That was on my T5U Excelsior.
With only CRF1.
I think it looked hilariously awesome, but the energy drain was HUGE with all the different types of dual proc turrets I had equipped.

wast33 · September 2015

i got good results on a jhdc with a single-cannon/turret build (elachis'). but don't ask me about dps lol. i flew it in pvp and at least on an alpha it carried quite some punch

...
i didn't touched it since dr btw, so no idea how it would perform in todays environment.

dalnar83 · September 2015

I remember people trolling with all turret Vo'Quv builds in pvp...good times.

zeuxidemus001 · September 2015

dalnar83 wrote: »

I remember people trolling with all turret Vo'Quv builds in pvp...good times.

There was a time when it was actually one of the better setups for Vo'Quv carriers to use. Some of the people trolling just didn't know the turrets had been given a massive nerf. Although speaking of a lot of ships that had been using them at some point seems like Cryptic with this Tier 6 system of theres its phasing out ships that you would see as canon or iconic due to the majority has shifted from "federation" to dps spreadsheet players even though their dps calculators are based on a part of sto that has never even worked properly (the irony).

burstorion · September 2015

dalnar83 wrote: »

I remember people trolling with all turret Vo'Quv builds in pvp...good times.

I did that for a while alongside a 'nothing but torp' build...it was never going to kill anything by pure skittle shots, but it was great fun when a target got hit by several procs in a row

An intresting turret ship might be the samsar, with its command slot, you could likely make an intresting build using the shield drain/refill power to help get to hull

edit - I might try that myself as if sounds pretty fun too

aesica · September 2015

I recommend you reconsider doing this. Nothing good will come of making a turret build.

scarling · September 2015

I have a sorry kdf dedicated to a BSG build for single player fun. Vo'Quv, all turrets with double Scatter Volley, and lots of spam fighters. Its a neat little light show.

coupaholic · September 2015

Is there a case for plasma turrets? Outfit a small nippy ship and spend time just flying circles around your target and leave the plasma burn to finish them off?

hunteralpha84 · September 2015

Consider bio-phaser/disruptor. You could use the heavy turret and get the bonus damage with the set console.

svindal777 · September 2015

taylor1701d wrote: »

Its Time for an ALL Turret Build - Opinions welcome

You're playing the game wrong.

J/K

questerius · September 2015

aesica wrote: »

I recommend you reconsider doing this. Nothing good will come of making a turret build.

Here's a scary thought: he could have fun.
I ran/run a SC/turret build on the flying pyramid and get pretty good results with it. Certainly more than enough to use in PVE.

I used that build on the pyramid because it turns like a brick. All the ships you proposed have a decent/good turn rate so it's not ideal.

IF you have to go with one of those then use the kobali ship since that has the lesser turn rate.

angrybobh · September 2015

saw an almost all turret ship in ISA. Almost because of one torp (R&D emission torp). He got clocked by CLR at just over 50K DPS. Tried to look up his boat but his gateway is private. His listing on the DPS table is for just over 60K. The comment on there mentions it is a turret boat. He did use disruptors, probably for the -DR proc. I'm still trying to figure out how this is done.

mustrumridcully0 · September 2015

questerius wrote: »

aesica wrote: »

I recommend you reconsider doing this. Nothing good will come of making a turret build.

Here's a scary thought: he could have fun..

Fun? How quaint. This is a MMORPG, serious business. If you want fun, you can go back to your office.

But I think the Pyramid Ship might make a nice basis for a turret ship. Carrier almost made sense because it turns ridicilously slowly. If there was a Tier 5 Constition Refit variant, one could replicate the feel of he JJTrek Enterprise, I suppose.

The Vo'Quv makes kinda sense because it turns so slowly, but it has only 6 weapon slots. Probably better to go with a Cruiser.

I guess if you want to make it effective, you also want something that can load a lot of Embassy Consoles?

Rainbow builds are still no smarter than on any other type of ship build. You don't get to proc more often, you just would have the procs to be not always the same.

taylor1701d · September 2015

angrybobh wrote: »

saw an almost all turret ship in ISA. Almost because of one torp (R&D emission torp). He got clocked by CLR at just over 50K DPS. Tried to look up his boat but his gateway is private. His listing on the DPS table is for just over 60K. The comment on there mentions it is a turret boat. He did use disruptors, probably for the -DR proc. I'm still trying to figure out how this is done.

That's actually pretty incredible. Wonder how much of that DPS comes from the torp..
I thought 20k would be a reasonable benchmark.
That's better than I do with my beam build lol.
Im stuck at like 48-49k....cant seem to break 50k.
(Mind you I'm still not on any keybinds which I think hinders my damage output some)

questerius wrote: »

aesica wrote: »

I recommend you reconsider doing this. Nothing good will come of making a turret build.

Here's a scary thought: he could have fun.
I ran/run a SC/turret build on the flying pyramid and get pretty good results with it. Certainly more than enough to use in PVE.

I used that build on the pyramid because it turns like a brick. All the ships you proposed have a decent/good turn rate so it's not ideal.

IF you have to go with one of those then use the kobali ship since that has the lesser turn rate.

Will give a reason to open my Samsar box.. May go that route. Ive been meaning to get the trait off it in any event.
And yup its purely for fun.
8 turrets + CRF or CSV is a lot of fun watch.

hunteralpha84 wrote: »

Consider bio-phaser/disruptor. You could use the heavy turret and get the bonus damage with the set console.

There is that, I had also considered Tetryon turrets (Fleet Adv with CrtD Dmgx3 or some other variety) due to the mission rewards, double damage bonus and for shield stripping of course.

It'll be about 80k Fleet Cred and like 50k dil to buy a set of 8 fleet turrets. So I'm trying to choose wisely. I want to have some Fleet Cred leftover for the Research Lab trait slots.

Plasma, might work as well, as Coupaholic mentions.. decisions, decisions...
Gah, wish I was space rich, I'd make 2 or 3 turret weapon sets. Just for experimentation.

vetteguy904 · September 2015

sdkraust wrote: »

Counter Command Set w/ the special Radiation Turret

Use a hybrid of Phasers and Disruptors

This / thread

angrybobh · September 2015

taylor1701d wrote: »

That's actually pretty incredible. Wonder how much of that DPS comes from the torp..

about 10K all added up.

aesica · September 2015

questerius wrote: »

Here's a scary thought: he could have fun.

I'm all for having fun in a game, and I get that fun is relative, but how much "fun" can really be had by taking forever to kill things on a low-damage turret ship, where even the direction you're facing may not matter? Seems to me like the novelty of being 100% omni-directional, but with a painfully-low damage output, would wear off pretty quickly.

If I were going to do that, then it'd have to be on a carrier with the counter-command disruptor turret as one of the weapons. They may not have 8 weapon slots, but 2 sets of plesh brek frigates would be worth the tradeoff I think.

deaftravis05 · September 2015

You'd need to use turrets that go great with sets and ensure that you have decent accuracy and above all, the ability to maintain your weapon power level.

questerius · September 2015

aesica wrote: »

questerius wrote: »

Here's a scary thought: he could have fun.

I'm all for having fun in a game, and I get that fun is relative, but how much "fun" can really be had by taking forever to kill things on a low-damage turret ship, where even the direction you're facing may not matter? Seems to me like the novelty of being 100% omni-directional, but with a painfully-low damage output, would wear off pretty quickly.

If I were going to do that, then it'd have to be on a carrier with the counter-command disruptor turret as one of the weapons. They may not have 8 weapon slots, but 2 sets of plesh brek frigates would be worth the tradeoff I think.

One of the tricks to get decent damage is use of the plasma explosion consoles and the loathsome kemosite.
Still, i pulled of 19.5k with a SC/turret build and that was without fancy consoles or powers (kemo) on an engineer character (no attack pattern alpha or go down fighting).

A full turret build should be more than sufficient for most mission content and queues. Off course instead of full turret a hybrid single cannon/turret build can be used.

ddesjardins · September 2015

It's an idea who's time has never come

We've talked and built these periodically throughout the last few years. Even with the new meta and higher DPS potential I am highly skeptical you can make it work.

I have tried it. Rainbow with the max number of spire consoles, and builds that would put an average player to shame. The problems wasn't the pilot or the build, the darn thing just could not put out enough dps to make it viable. You can get beam builds that do more damage with you sitting still.

Now - this is not saying that in the hands of a DPS 1%'er, it couldn't be done. But in my meager skills of 30K, i could not achieve anything greater than 11K with an all turret build.

Turrets cut your dps in HALF. Math doesn't lie.

mackbolan01 · September 2015

might consider using a SINGLE omni-beam of the energy type that you decide to use

questerius · September 2015

11k is more than viable in today's STF. You may not be able to carry the queue but it is more than enough.
Some creative thoughts are required though.

Let's take the pyramid as example. One thing the pyramid has no lack off is engineering so only use 2-3 of those to get as tanky as possible and put things like the spatial charge launcher, isometric charge and Subspace Integration Circuit in there.

Pose the greatest treat level, have every NPC around shoot at you and retaliate with the good old feed back pulse.

15-20k can be achieved with a full turret build if given a bit of effort.

burstorion · September 2015

Tried my samsar (kobali ship) all turret build (scatter with a gw)... got a respectable 6.7k out of her on ISA with mk xii turrets - of course a parse doesn't measure shield drain from command powers, ect (plus the toon has only enough rep for the heavy undine turrets and tholian set)

This also, I think, has to be the cheapest build in terms of ec to 'pew' considering how dirt cheap turrets are, even with a popular 'flavor' like disruptors (provided you don't go any fancier than normal types and the heavy turret pair, that is)

edit - if this drone was mk xiv'd up the yingyang with sciplosion consoles, specialist gear, ect...I reckon it'd do 11k, at least, if not more

leviathan99 · September 2015

ddesjardins wrote: »

It's an idea who's time has never come

We've talked and built these periodically throughout the last few years. Even with the new meta and higher DPS potential I am highly skeptical you can make it work.

I have tried it. Rainbow with the max number of spire consoles, and builds that would put an average player to shame. The problems wasn't the pilot or the build, the darn thing just could not put out enough dps to make it viable. You can get beam builds that do more damage with you sitting still.

Now - this is not saying that in the hands of a DPS 1%'er, it couldn't be done. But in my meager skills of 30K, i could not achieve anything greater than 11K with an all turret build.

Turrets cut your dps in HALF. Math doesn't lie.

Maybe instead of a mobile turret boat, you could try a parked confetti bomb?

The idea being that you want to deposit yourself in the middle of as many enemies as possible.

Tractor Beam Repulsor with DOff to draw them in. Everything you can do to get everyone near you.

4-5 Embassy Consoles. Three or more Kemocites (since apparently unused ones may proc when the used one gets used, six plus might be ideal). Position yourself in clusters of enemies. Park. Rain rainbow death.

dalnar83 · September 2015

T5U JHDC with jem'hadar set and all polaron turrets with high flow caps and some drain build. At least this would look somewhat stylish.

burstorion · September 2015

stoleviathan99 wrote: »

ddesjardins wrote: »

It's an idea who's time has never come

We've talked and built these periodically throughout the last few years. Even with the new meta and higher DPS potential I am highly skeptical you can make it work.

I have tried it. Rainbow with the max number of spire consoles, and builds that would put an average player to shame. The problems wasn't the pilot or the build, the darn thing just could not put out enough dps to make it viable. You can get beam builds that do more damage with you sitting still.

Now - this is not saying that in the hands of a DPS 1%'er, it couldn't be done. But in my meager skills of 30K, i could not achieve anything greater than 11K with an all turret build.

Turrets cut your dps in HALF. Math doesn't lie.

Maybe instead of a mobile turret boat, you could try a parked confetti bomb?

The idea being that you want to deposit yourself in the middle of as many enemies as possible.

Tractor Beam Repulsor with DOff to draw them in. Everything you can do to get everyone near you.

4-5 Embassy Consoles. Three or more Kemocites (since apparently unused ones may proc when the used one gets used, six plus might be ideal). Position yourself in clusters of enemies. Park. Rain rainbow death.

Heh, you read my mind regarding the pull tbr... I stuck that on my build and its likely the single most expensive thing on the ship XD

GW, fly into gws range, hit reverse tbr whilst skittle slamming works quite nicely (and doubles as great cc on single targets)

On top of that I've been using the supposedly useless rep traits like the borg reps 'proc' type kinetic damage power and both penetration powers

taylor1701d · September 2015

burstorion wrote: »

stoleviathan99 wrote: »

ddesjardins wrote: »

It's an idea who's time has never come

We've talked and built these periodically throughout the last few years. Even with the new meta and higher DPS potential I am highly skeptical you can make it work.

I have tried it. Rainbow with the max number of spire consoles, and builds that would put an average player to shame. The problems wasn't the pilot or the build, the darn thing just could not put out enough dps to make it viable. You can get beam builds that do more damage with you sitting still.

Now - this is not saying that in the hands of a DPS 1%'er, it couldn't be done. But in my meager skills of 30K, i could not achieve anything greater than 11K with an all turret build.

Turrets cut your dps in HALF. Math doesn't lie.

Maybe instead of a mobile turret boat, you could try a parked confetti bomb?

The idea being that you want to deposit yourself in the middle of as many enemies as possible.

Tractor Beam Repulsor with DOff to draw them in. Everything you can do to get everyone near you.

4-5 Embassy Consoles. Three or more Kemocites (since apparently unused ones may proc when the used one gets used, six plus might be ideal). Position yourself in clusters of enemies. Park. Rain rainbow death.

Heh, you read my mind regarding the pull tbr... I stuck that on my build and its likely the single most expensive thing on the ship XD

GW, fly into gws range, hit reverse tbr whilst skittle slamming works quite nicely (and doubles as great cc on single targets)

On top of that I've been using the supposedly useless rep traits like the borg reps 'proc' type kinetic damage power and both penetration powers

Oh, it's on my friend, it's so on.
Opened up my Samsar last night, just getting that leveled up. (will test this out on my JHDC and Benthan for comparison).
Good thing its quite durable, since I'll be parking point blank in my GW's and then engaging my Pull-TBR lmao. But that bodes well since cannon type weapons do better damage at close range.

Should have this DPS monster up and running by the weekend lol.

In the process of crafting a whack load of tech upgrades, for all the upgrading I will need to do on 8 turrets. That's the only non-fun part about this.

What should I call my ship ?
USS Confetti Bomb ?

leviathan99 · September 2015

burstorion wrote: »

stoleviathan99 wrote: »

ddesjardins wrote: »

It's an idea who's time has never come

We've talked and built these periodically throughout the last few years. Even with the new meta and higher DPS potential I am highly skeptical you can make it work.

I have tried it. Rainbow with the max number of spire consoles, and builds that would put an average player to shame. The problems wasn't the pilot or the build, the darn thing just could not put out enough dps to make it viable. You can get beam builds that do more damage with you sitting still.

Now - this is not saying that in the hands of a DPS 1%'er, it couldn't be done. But in my meager skills of 30K, i could not achieve anything greater than 11K with an all turret build.

Turrets cut your dps in HALF. Math doesn't lie.

Maybe instead of a mobile turret boat, you could try a parked confetti bomb?

The idea being that you want to deposit yourself in the middle of as many enemies as possible.

Tractor Beam Repulsor with DOff to draw them in. Everything you can do to get everyone near you.

4-5 Embassy Consoles. Three or more Kemocites (since apparently unused ones may proc when the used one gets used, six plus might be ideal). Position yourself in clusters of enemies. Park. Rain rainbow death.

Heh, you read my mind regarding the pull tbr... I stuck that on my build and its likely the single most expensive thing on the ship XD

GW, fly into gws range, hit reverse tbr whilst skittle slamming works quite nicely (and doubles as great cc on single targets)

On top of that I've been using the supposedly useless rep traits like the borg reps 'proc' type kinetic damage power and both penetration powers

What are the more conventionally favored traits? I feel like maybe I picked the "wrong" ones. I've got a 40-50k (in PUGs) A2B build with only three Tac powers in use but I feel like I should be able to break 75k and up survivability without reducing automation if I can perfect my traits and DOffs, once we get the extra starship trait unlock anyway.

Its Time for an ALL Turret Build - Opinions welcome

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