People could even keep the faction choice made, and if a Romulan fleet is made instead of having an Embassy on their own planet, the fleet creators can either pick which they have an Embassy on, Qo'Nos or Earth, or majority rules, whichever faction is more abundant out of the people creating it, makes it just go that direction.
Forgive me if I do not share your ideal that The Republic needs to be beholden to any outside power... They do not need to be in league with the KDF or the UFP - the Romulan people can accomplish massive things on their own.
Picard and his gang of misfits (Commander Quagmire, his sometime-girlfriend Counselor State-the-Obvious, Pinocchio aspiring to be a real boy, a blind helmsman, and Microbrain, not to mention Doctor I'm-here-as-a-thinly-veiled-love-interest-for-the-captain-and-otherwise-have-no-real-purpose and her son Annoying Boy Geekwiz)
People could even keep the faction choice made, and if a Romulan fleet is made instead of having an Embassy on their own planet, the fleet creators can either pick which they have an Embassy on, Qo'Nos or Earth, or majority rules, whichever faction is more abundant out of the people creating it, makes it just go that direction.
Forgive me if I do not share your ideal that The Republic needs to be beholden to any outside power... They do not need to be in league with the KDF or the UFP - the Romulan people can accomplish massive things on their own.
I don't disagree with you at all, there is just a lot of things tied to those factions. To fully sever the connections would be to kick every Romulan out of a fleet, and remove any item sets or make conversions for any item sets (like KHG/Adapted MACO) items that one may have acquired. Also, it would keep up with the embassies. I don't want them to be beholden to anyone. This would bring it more to an alliance, or even just diplomatic relations.
ruff, meow, moo, whatever.... *shrug* [ Still Waiting for a Shiny New T6 Romulan Science Ship to Command ]
Diplomatic relations are one thing - but right now both the KDF and UFP are essentially controlling what happens as per Romulan affairs.. I would not wish to see the game FORCE Romulans out of all KDF or UFP fleets - there should be a choice... Full Romulan, or Romulan Allied... as is the quasi-reality within Trek, neither the Federation or Klingon Empire have altruistic goals for the Romulans - and one is eventually going to be exposed as either underhandedly influencing Romulan advances for the gain of their home allegiance (as would be the case involving Section 31) or overtly as in military actions from the over zealous KDF.
Romulans become their own independent faction - and players make a choice..
1. Return to the Republic and be completely Romulan -
2. Remain with their allegiance - UFP or KDF...
3. Depending on which turns on the Republic (UFP or KDF) the player chooses to side with the 'enemy' against the Republic for whatever reason.
Actually make it to where you dont leave the Flotilla and be idiotically outside ESD - cannot just pass through 'enemy' space at warp without consequences... Etc - etc etc... Would be more like Trek. More realistic.
Picard and his gang of misfits (Commander Quagmire, his sometime-girlfriend Counselor State-the-Obvious, Pinocchio aspiring to be a real boy, a blind helmsman, and Microbrain, not to mention Doctor I'm-here-as-a-thinly-veiled-love-interest-for-the-captain-and-otherwise-have-no-real-purpose and her son Annoying Boy Geekwiz)
Actually make it to where you dont leave the Flotilla and be idiotically outside ESD - cannot just pass through 'enemy' space at warp without consequences... Etc - etc etc... Would be more like Trek. More realistic.
I personally don't see anything like this happening. Cryptic got out of their way to eliminate factionized gameplay, I don't think we'll ever see more faction gameplay in this installment of STO...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The Republic is not "beholden" to anyone. We are not, as Sela the Incompetent and her parrots would have it, "begging for scraps from the tables" of the UFP and the Klingon Empire. SOVEREIGN POWERS CAN AND DO HAVE ALLIANCES! There is no reason the Republic should not likewise. Retreating into isolationism and/or xenophobia would be a sign of fear and weakness, not strength. I will not endorse such.
I have personally spent a significant amount of time and effort, and a large amount of real-world money, building up more than one fleet (which, by the Mother, are ROMULAN fleets, and specifically, fleets of the New Romulan Republic, because I said so!), with help from many others. I will not be happy if the constant agitations of those who would rather see the Star Empire slithering around conspiring and covertly working against everyone as they did in TNG somehow influence Cryptic to take the work which I and others in our fleets have done from us and make us start all over (and those who are new members of my fleets need to take notice of what I'm saying here, because YOU REPRESENT THE TAL'DIANN NOW, and need to do so honorably). I have offered and will continue to offer various methods to Cryptic which would facilitate the elevation of the Romulan Republic to full faction status, but there is no reason whatsoever, in terms of game mechanics or in terms of story, why the alliances cannot survive that evolution.
The Republic is not "beholden" to anyone. We are not, as Sela the Incompetent and her parrots would have it, "begging for scraps from the tables" of the UFP and the Klingon Empire. SOVEREIGN POWERS CAN AND DO HAVE ALLIANCES! There is no reason the Republic should not likewise. Retreating into isolationism and/or xenophobia would be a sign of fear and weakness, not strength. I will not endorse such.
I have personally spent a significant amount of time and effort, and a large amount of real-world money, building up more than one fleet (which, by the Mother, are ROMULAN fleets, and specifically, fleets of the New Romulan Republic, because I said so!), with help from many others. I will not be happy if the constant agitations of those who would rather see the Star Empire slithering around conspiring and covertly working against everyone as they did in TNG somehow influence Cryptic to take the work which I and others in our fleets have done from us and make us start all over (and those who are new members of my fleets need to take notice of what I'm saying here, because YOU REPRESENT THE TAL'DIANN NOW, and need to do so honorably). I have offered and will continue to offer various methods to Cryptic which would facilitate the elevation of the Romulan Republic to full faction status, but there is no reason whatsoever, in terms of game mechanics or in terms of story, why the alliances cannot survive that evolution.
Indeed - Sela is incompetent -- still amazed she hasn't went missing indefinitely..
The Romulan Republic is the way of the future for the Romulan people indeed - and technically they are not beholden to the foreign powers for survival... However, they had to ask permission to settle a planet in Romulan space - from the Klingons, and made a pointed statement that without Federation Supplies and Klingon permission/protection, they would be unable to establish their new home. I do not remember which individual it was whom made these statements, however it was in the presence of D'tan - forgive me if I do not remember the mission off the top of my head. PErhaps I merely misinterpreted the events personally.
I am still rather new to the game so I do not by far claim to know everything about the fleet mechanics, however the fleet system as I have observed it anyway, should not be effected much at all by created a completely independent Romulan faction... All Romulan fleets would get the option - just like players would - and become either Romulan or UFP/KDF aligned. However, if this is something that is NOT possible beyond any shadow of a doubt - then I would withdraw such an idea.
As for the Star Empire - I am still unsure as to why they have not allowed it to run it's course... do the writers have to keep insisting that there always has to be negative Romulans? The rate at which the Reunification movement was gaining support when Donotra was in power, should be enough to sufficiently display that Romulan culture was in a status of growth and change... With the death of Romulus, this should have, and would have expedited the movement into the Republic, and emaciated the Tal'Shiar into nothing more than a small band of rebels... The Entirety of Romulan space should be easily folded into the Republic - and thereby allowing the positive aspects of the Romulan people to be seen...
Perhaps we will someday get full faction status without any major upsets to people and their investments. As for the Tal'Diann - I would never dream of being anything other than Honorable to it - it is where I call home..
Picard and his gang of misfits (Commander Quagmire, his sometime-girlfriend Counselor State-the-Obvious, Pinocchio aspiring to be a real boy, a blind helmsman, and Microbrain, not to mention Doctor I'm-here-as-a-thinly-veiled-love-interest-for-the-captain-and-otherwise-have-no-real-purpose and her son Annoying Boy Geekwiz)
Don't get me wrong. There's quite a bit of room for improvement in the story (but for all that, the Romulan/Reman-specific missions are among the very best in-game), and in particular in some of the dialogue (especially in voice-overs which involve hideous mispronunciations of Rihan words), and the NRR ought to have been an independent third faction from the dawn of LoR, but there were also many Fed and KDF players who had made Aliens in order to play as "Romulans" before it was technically possible to make a "real" Romulan in STO, and Cryptic did right to make it possible for them to affiliate and associate with their own kind (through the alliance system).
Fleets are, technically, either Fed or Klink (which is why we have all that UFP/Starfleet and Klingon imagery in most of our holdings, whether we slot the projects to get more of the same or not). One of the ideas I have floated to Cryptic is the suggestion that species become faction-unbound, which is not unlike your suggestion of giving a choice, except that my suggestion extends to all species, and they would choose their allegiance by joining a fleet, whose leader(s) would have already determined the allegiance of their fleet. Of course, in order to prevent abuse of this, penalties would have to be in-place which would strongly discourage fleet-hopping (and once the leadership had declared the fleet's allegiance, that should be immutable). I know there are some who oppose this suggestion because they fear it would give yet more options to the Feds, but they're ignoring the fact that it would also give more options to the KDF and the RRF (and would be one of the best and easiest ways to propel the RRF into full faction status, although it alone would not suffice for that goal).
Romulan republic = Federation dressed up in Romulan garb.
Couldn't agree more. Although these days, such accusations would fit the KDF rather sharply as well.-victims of Cryptic's decision to merge the storylines from the three factions so they don't have to do faction-specific content.
As for the 'begging at the table for Klingon/Federation scraps hyperbole, I think that really has a lot to do with the whole alliance system we have and the Romulan reputation. There's never a point in the storyline where we get a 'alright we are good enough to stand on our own' sort of thing- we need a mission that shows the opening of the city on New Romulus or signing a peace treaty with the Imperials to establish our borders or a mission that shows a mass defection of imeprial industrial worlds or something...anything. We are just kinda constantly at war and under attack and pumping out new ship designs like no tomorrow while doing military operations in every quadrant of the Galaxy.
It makes us look like we are comically overextending ourselves-too big for our boots to the point where we might as well be wearing clown shoes. There are a number of things we need to get done IMO, but chief among them?
Formally end the Romulan civil war The Iconians are defeated, so the Tal Shiar should no longer be a threat (we should have gotten a mission where we got to defeat them completely, but now that the Iconians are making peace, we should have a cutscene or mission or anything that shows their surrender/truce/destruction/whatever. Likewise, since Sela's feeling all mopey and sad about being indirectly responsible for the destruction of Romulus, have her sign a peace/unification/whatever treaty with the Republic. not being part of a three-way Civil war while being off fighting wars in the Delta Quadrant would go a long way towards making them seem more internally stable IMO.
Formally end the Romulan civil war The Iconians are defeated, so the Tal Shiar should no longer be a threat (we should have gotten a mission where we got to defeat them completely, but now that the Iconians are making peace, we should have a cutscene or mission or anything that shows their surrender/truce/destruction/whatever. Likewise, since Sela's feeling all mopey and sad about being indirectly responsible for the destruction of Romulus, have her sign a peace/unification/whatever treaty with the Republic. not being part of a three-way Civil war while being off fighting wars in the Delta Quadrant would go a long way towards making them seem more internally stable IMO.
^This - the bold part.
But not with Sela. Sela is done (and who would trust her signing anything and then following that treaty?), and the Empire should have a new leadership. Someone who didn't commit acts against... well, almost everybody, so someone (or many someone's in the form of a rebuild senate), with whom a conversation and treaty would be possible. The RSE has a lot of its own cleaning to do (starting with the Tal'Shiar). I imagine they'd do what they like doing: go into isolation for 80 years or so
Formally end the Romulan civil war The Iconians are defeated, so the Tal Shiar should no longer be a threat (we should have gotten a mission where we got to defeat them completely, but now that the Iconians are making peace, we should have a cutscene or mission or anything that shows their surrender/truce/destruction/whatever. Likewise, since Sela's feeling all mopey and sad about being indirectly responsible for the destruction of Romulus, have her sign a peace/unification/whatever treaty with the Republic. not being part of a three-way Civil war while being off fighting wars in the Delta Quadrant would go a long way towards making them seem more internally stable IMO.
^This - the bold part.
But not with Sela. Sela is done (and who would trust her signing anything and then following that treaty?), and the Empire should have a new leadership. Someone who didn't commit acts against... well, almost everybody, so someone (or many someone's in the form of a rebuild senate), with whom a conversation and treaty would be possible. The RSE has a lot of its own cleaning to do (starting with the Tal'Shiar). I imagine they'd do what they like doing: go into isolation for 80 years or so
I agree. While I'm general a fan of Sela from the shows (though she's far from my favorite Romulan) but in Cryptic's reliance of the whole Tal Shiar = Romulan Star Empire shtick, we don't really have options in the way of non-Tal Shiar Imperial Romulans. Even Janek, who is a rare authority figure in the Imperial side of things who isn't an insane genocidal maniac-is Tal Shiar. And since our last episode to deal with the Imperial Romulans showed that there was a civil war between the Tal Shiar and non Tal-Shiar Romulans, there really isn't anyone else who could fit the leadership role for the Star Empire, because Sela is the only non-Tal Shiar Imperial that's been introduced.
Janek would work as a leader for the Tal Shiar if Cryptic was going to go with some sort of non-violent conclusion to that particular conflict since she's non-insane, rather reasonable, and was somewhat high ranking. But for the non-Tal Shiar faction, I think we'd be rather stuck with Sela as the leader if/when Cryptic remembers that they exist and decides to put an end to the war.
Any sort of reconciliation will have to begin with the annihilation (violent or no) of the Tal Shiar. They've committed far to many crimes as an organization to be allowed to remain in existence. The Star Empire itself would likely have to be dissolved and absorbing into the Republic. Considering that Sela went and had to beg the Dominion for help, rather than bringing her own nominal subjects gives some proof of what state the RSE is in now. It would be in the best interests of the species as a whole to reintegrate.
Any sort of reconciliation will have to begin with the annihilation (violent or no) of the Tal Shiar. They've committed far to many crimes as an organization to be allowed to remain in existence. The Star Empire itself would likely have to be dissolved and absorbing into the Republic. Considering that Sela went and had to beg the Dominion for help, rather than bringing her own nominal subjects gives some proof of what state the RSE is in now. It would be in the best interests of the species as a whole to reintegrate.
Well, we never saw the Breen, Ferengi, Bajorans, Cardassians (I think they brought one ship?) etc or any of the Delta quadrant races bar the Krenim contribute anything of note to the war effort the moment the Heralds showed up. Perhaps they were too busy defending their holdings to contribute anything of value to the effort outside of that.
Perhaps they were busy holding off the Tal Shiar remnants? We know they were at war from the episode where the Heralds show up. At any rate, the lack of contribution to the war effort from the various smaller factions that opposed the Iconians as well as the servitor races ever since the introduction of the heralds has been noted before. Personally I chalk it up to Cryptic rushing the conclusion to the war, and try not to read too much into it-I think we all would have liked a climatic showdown like we got at the end of the Vaadwaur arc with a coalition of allies at our back. Sadly that was not to be.
I am (of course) against any outright dissolution of the Empire. There has always been a RSE throughout Star Trek, removing that seems ....wrong. Plus it's the only place left where we can really get TNG-DS9 style Romulans with any regularity anymore, particularly now that Cryptic has decided not to make episode content from a non-starfleet perspective. The RSE should remain, I think-possibly something like post-dominion war Cardassian Union. Perhaps we could get some sort of Romulan Empire reputation where we set up refugee tents on Rator or something
One thing's for certain, we need a conclusion. Almost any conclusion would be fine right about now. We have waited long enough. And the tal Shiar need to go-whether it's in a violent final battle where there forces are utterly destroyed, or a peaceful surrender after the last of the nutty Tal Shiar commanders is gone and someone sensible like Janek takes over the helm. The Tal Shiar needs to be defeated.
Considering that Sela went and had to beg the Dominion for help, rather than bringing her own nominal subjects gives some proof of what state the RSE is in now.
Or how much power and influence she still has. As in: none. Which can, of course, mean that there is nothing left to have influence on. Or she didn't believe herself RSE had anything to offer in the war. Or that they already booted her, and at best would roll on the senate floor laughing if she appeared with her attitude and "orders".
But that's all guessing.
As catoblepasbeta says, we need a conclusion. STO would tell us what's going on... and we'd have to swallow it But at least some things would be clear. But somehow I don't see it coming.
In light of the the recent developments [new episodes], I have conceded that the return of the Romulan Star Empire is nothing more than a forlorn hope, and whatever remnants remain now exists as damning testimony of the folly of unchecked ambition. The peoples of that fragment have my sympathy and my pity.
To this end, I have abandonded the IRW prefix of my veteran Warbird, and adopted the now only legitimate Romulan identification of the 25th Century; the RRW Arpexia now stands as a unflinching defender of the Romulan Republic.
However, I must keep true to myself. I remain a staunch Imperialist in my heart, albiet now one of the dwindling 'old guard'. Changing a governmental structure does not alter my belief in the Way of D'era - I am an old warhorse, too seasoned to change overnight. Nevetheless, I will dedicate my not-inconsiderable talents to upholding the future of our people.
To this end, I have abandonded the IRW prefix of my veteran Warbird, and adopted the now only legitimate Romulan identification of the 25th Century; the RRW Arpexia now stands as a unflinching defender of the Romulan Republic.
To this end, I have abandonded the IRW prefix of my veteran Warbird, and adopted the now only legitimate Romulan identification of the 25th Century; the RRW Arpexia now stands as a unflinching defender of the Romulan Republic.
You bought a ship that doesn't allow IRW?
LOL - you could say that. I finally traded-in my T5U Fleet D'Deridex for the T6 D'Deridex-skinned Fleet D'Khella. :P
Considering the size of D'Khellra/D'Deridex, it sure is!
But seriously - I love my D'Khellra. As painful as the loss of the prefix may be for you, she's a good ship, and should dry your tears and make you happy again
Considering the fact that we only saw the area immediately around ESD, their could have been lots of Cardassians,and Ferengi, and whatnot out in the huge clusters of battle beyond the map edge. I would doubt that the Green would show up, as they same just as desirous of fighting everyone at once as the RSE.
As for the rest, I don't care if their is some sort of treaty, or if the alliance crushed the RSE, drives Sela to suicide in her bunker, occupies the remaining space, and sends out Simon tr'Wisenthal to hunt down the rest of the Tal Shiar. Please Cryptic. Just do SOMETHING!
I shall tattoo my tears as a public display of mourning
I would be interesting to see those tears in combination with a happy & evil "Mwuhahahahaha!!!" while you're smashing your enemies to death and they barely scratch paint on your hull. But who am I to criticise your facial decoration fashion choice
In light of the the recent developments [new episodes], I have conceded that the return of the Romulan Star Empire is nothing more than a forlorn hope, and whatever remnants remain now exists as damning testimony of the folly of unchecked ambition. The peoples of that fragment have my sympathy and my pity.
To this end, I have abandonded the IRW prefix of my veteran Warbird, and adopted the now only legitimate Romulan identification of the 25th Century; the RRW Arpexia now stands as a unflinching defender of the Romulan Republic.
However, I must keep true to myself. I remain a staunch Imperialist in my heart, albiet now one of the dwindling 'old guard'. Changing a governmental structure does not alter my belief in the Way of D'era - I am an old warhorse, too seasoned to change overnight. Nevetheless, I will dedicate my not-inconsiderable talents to upholding the future of our people.
Wherever that takes us.
- Commander Tomax
- RRW Arpexia
You only need to change so much, the Traditionalist faction welcomes you with open arms (don't let the sig fool you, my main is a Romulan, but he keeps a low profile, for now at least).
Why are all the puppets reposting Protogoths lies and deceptions?
Make's sense due to the fact you do not come to STO to stick it to the man, but naturally to give into YOUR own inner cowardice and fetish of becoming immensed in a Hive Mind. -shrug- Guess not all of us are true warriors, now are we STO?
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Forgive me if I do not share your ideal that The Republic needs to be beholden to any outside power... They do not need to be in league with the KDF or the UFP - the Romulan people can accomplish massive things on their own.
I don't disagree with you at all, there is just a lot of things tied to those factions. To fully sever the connections would be to kick every Romulan out of a fleet, and remove any item sets or make conversions for any item sets (like KHG/Adapted MACO) items that one may have acquired. Also, it would keep up with the embassies. I don't want them to be beholden to anyone. This would bring it more to an alliance, or even just diplomatic relations.
[ Still Waiting for a Shiny New T6 Romulan Science Ship to Command ]
Romulans become their own independent faction - and players make a choice..
1. Return to the Republic and be completely Romulan -
2. Remain with their allegiance - UFP or KDF...
3. Depending on which turns on the Republic (UFP or KDF) the player chooses to side with the 'enemy' against the Republic for whatever reason.
Actually make it to where you dont leave the Flotilla and be idiotically outside ESD - cannot just pass through 'enemy' space at warp without consequences... Etc - etc etc... Would be more like Trek. More realistic.
I personally don't see anything like this happening. Cryptic got out of their way to eliminate factionized gameplay, I don't think we'll ever see more faction gameplay in this installment of STO...
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I have personally spent a significant amount of time and effort, and a large amount of real-world money, building up more than one fleet (which, by the Mother, are ROMULAN fleets, and specifically, fleets of the New Romulan Republic, because I said so!), with help from many others. I will not be happy if the constant agitations of those who would rather see the Star Empire slithering around conspiring and covertly working against everyone as they did in TNG somehow influence Cryptic to take the work which I and others in our fleets have done from us and make us start all over (and those who are new members of my fleets need to take notice of what I'm saying here, because YOU REPRESENT THE TAL'DIANN NOW, and need to do so honorably). I have offered and will continue to offer various methods to Cryptic which would facilitate the elevation of the Romulan Republic to full faction status, but there is no reason whatsoever, in terms of game mechanics or in terms of story, why the alliances cannot survive that evolution.
Indeed - Sela is incompetent -- still amazed she hasn't went missing indefinitely..
The Romulan Republic is the way of the future for the Romulan people indeed - and technically they are not beholden to the foreign powers for survival... However, they had to ask permission to settle a planet in Romulan space - from the Klingons, and made a pointed statement that without Federation Supplies and Klingon permission/protection, they would be unable to establish their new home. I do not remember which individual it was whom made these statements, however it was in the presence of D'tan - forgive me if I do not remember the mission off the top of my head. PErhaps I merely misinterpreted the events personally.
I am still rather new to the game so I do not by far claim to know everything about the fleet mechanics, however the fleet system as I have observed it anyway, should not be effected much at all by created a completely independent Romulan faction... All Romulan fleets would get the option - just like players would - and become either Romulan or UFP/KDF aligned. However, if this is something that is NOT possible beyond any shadow of a doubt - then I would withdraw such an idea.
As for the Star Empire - I am still unsure as to why they have not allowed it to run it's course... do the writers have to keep insisting that there always has to be negative Romulans? The rate at which the Reunification movement was gaining support when Donotra was in power, should be enough to sufficiently display that Romulan culture was in a status of growth and change... With the death of Romulus, this should have, and would have expedited the movement into the Republic, and emaciated the Tal'Shiar into nothing more than a small band of rebels... The Entirety of Romulan space should be easily folded into the Republic - and thereby allowing the positive aspects of the Romulan people to be seen...
Perhaps we will someday get full faction status without any major upsets to people and their investments. As for the Tal'Diann - I would never dream of being anything other than Honorable to it - it is where I call home..
Fleets are, technically, either Fed or Klink (which is why we have all that UFP/Starfleet and Klingon imagery in most of our holdings, whether we slot the projects to get more of the same or not). One of the ideas I have floated to Cryptic is the suggestion that species become faction-unbound, which is not unlike your suggestion of giving a choice, except that my suggestion extends to all species, and they would choose their allegiance by joining a fleet, whose leader(s) would have already determined the allegiance of their fleet. Of course, in order to prevent abuse of this, penalties would have to be in-place which would strongly discourage fleet-hopping (and once the leadership had declared the fleet's allegiance, that should be immutable). I know there are some who oppose this suggestion because they fear it would give yet more options to the Feds, but they're ignoring the fact that it would also give more options to the KDF and the RRF (and would be one of the best and easiest ways to propel the RRF into full faction status, although it alone would not suffice for that goal).
agh yeah, my bad it was the haakona wasnt it
Hehe, yeah.
Tal'Shiar/Reman Resistance/Romulan Nemesis uniform, pls.
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Couldn't agree more. Although these days, such accusations would fit the KDF rather sharply as well.-victims of Cryptic's decision to merge the storylines from the three factions so they don't have to do faction-specific content.
As for the 'begging at the table for Klingon/Federation scraps hyperbole, I think that really has a lot to do with the whole alliance system we have and the Romulan reputation. There's never a point in the storyline where we get a 'alright we are good enough to stand on our own' sort of thing- we need a mission that shows the opening of the city on New Romulus or signing a peace treaty with the Imperials to establish our borders or a mission that shows a mass defection of imeprial industrial worlds or something...anything. We are just kinda constantly at war and under attack and pumping out new ship designs like no tomorrow while doing military operations in every quadrant of the Galaxy.
It makes us look like we are comically overextending ourselves-too big for our boots to the point where we might as well be wearing clown shoes. There are a number of things we need to get done IMO, but chief among them?
Formally end the Romulan civil war The Iconians are defeated, so the Tal Shiar should no longer be a threat (we should have gotten a mission where we got to defeat them completely, but now that the Iconians are making peace, we should have a cutscene or mission or anything that shows their surrender/truce/destruction/whatever. Likewise, since Sela's feeling all mopey and sad about being indirectly responsible for the destruction of Romulus, have her sign a peace/unification/whatever treaty with the Republic. not being part of a three-way Civil war while being off fighting wars in the Delta Quadrant would go a long way towards making them seem more internally stable IMO.
^This - the bold part.
But not with Sela. Sela is done (and who would trust her signing anything and then following that treaty?), and the Empire should have a new leadership. Someone who didn't commit acts against... well, almost everybody, so someone (or many someone's in the form of a rebuild senate), with whom a conversation and treaty would be possible. The RSE has a lot of its own cleaning to do (starting with the Tal'Shiar). I imagine they'd do what they like doing: go into isolation for 80 years or so
I agree. While I'm general a fan of Sela from the shows (though she's far from my favorite Romulan) but in Cryptic's reliance of the whole Tal Shiar = Romulan Star Empire shtick, we don't really have options in the way of non-Tal Shiar Imperial Romulans. Even Janek, who is a rare authority figure in the Imperial side of things who isn't an insane genocidal maniac-is Tal Shiar. And since our last episode to deal with the Imperial Romulans showed that there was a civil war between the Tal Shiar and non Tal-Shiar Romulans, there really isn't anyone else who could fit the leadership role for the Star Empire, because Sela is the only non-Tal Shiar Imperial that's been introduced.
Janek would work as a leader for the Tal Shiar if Cryptic was going to go with some sort of non-violent conclusion to that particular conflict since she's non-insane, rather reasonable, and was somewhat high ranking. But for the non-Tal Shiar faction, I think we'd be rather stuck with Sela as the leader if/when Cryptic remembers that they exist and decides to put an end to the war.
Well, we never saw the Breen, Ferengi, Bajorans, Cardassians (I think they brought one ship?) etc or any of the Delta quadrant races bar the Krenim contribute anything of note to the war effort the moment the Heralds showed up. Perhaps they were too busy defending their holdings to contribute anything of value to the effort outside of that.
Perhaps they were busy holding off the Tal Shiar remnants? We know they were at war from the episode where the Heralds show up. At any rate, the lack of contribution to the war effort from the various smaller factions that opposed the Iconians as well as the servitor races ever since the introduction of the heralds has been noted before. Personally I chalk it up to Cryptic rushing the conclusion to the war, and try not to read too much into it-I think we all would have liked a climatic showdown like we got at the end of the Vaadwaur arc with a coalition of allies at our back. Sadly that was not to be.
I am (of course) against any outright dissolution of the Empire. There has always been a RSE throughout Star Trek, removing that seems ....wrong. Plus it's the only place left where we can really get TNG-DS9 style Romulans with any regularity anymore, particularly now that Cryptic has decided not to make episode content from a non-starfleet perspective. The RSE should remain, I think-possibly something like post-dominion war Cardassian Union. Perhaps we could get some sort of Romulan Empire reputation where we set up refugee tents on Rator or something
One thing's for certain, we need a conclusion. Almost any conclusion would be fine right about now. We have waited long enough. And the tal Shiar need to go-whether it's in a violent final battle where there forces are utterly destroyed, or a peaceful surrender after the last of the nutty Tal Shiar commanders is gone and someone sensible like Janek takes over the helm. The Tal Shiar needs to be defeated.
Or how much power and influence she still has. As in: none. Which can, of course, mean that there is nothing left to have influence on. Or she didn't believe herself RSE had anything to offer in the war. Or that they already booted her, and at best would roll on the senate floor laughing if she appeared with her attitude and "orders".
But that's all guessing.
As catoblepasbeta says, we need a conclusion. STO would tell us what's going on... and we'd have to swallow it
To this end, I have abandonded the IRW prefix of my veteran Warbird, and adopted the now only legitimate Romulan identification of the 25th Century; the RRW Arpexia now stands as a unflinching defender of the Romulan Republic.
However, I must keep true to myself. I remain a staunch Imperialist in my heart, albiet now one of the dwindling 'old guard'. Changing a governmental structure does not alter my belief in the Way of D'era - I am an old warhorse, too seasoned to change overnight. Nevetheless, I will dedicate my not-inconsiderable talents to upholding the future of our people.
Wherever that takes us.
- Commander Tomax
- RRW Arpexia
You bought a ship that doesn't allow IRW?
LOL - you could say that. I finally traded-in my T5U Fleet D'Deridex for the T6 D'Deridex-skinned Fleet D'Khella. :P
Make no mistake, this is a big thing for me!
But seriously - I love my D'Khellra. As painful as the loss of the prefix may be for you, she's a good ship, and should dry your tears and make you happy again
As for the rest, I don't care if their is some sort of treaty, or if the alliance crushed the RSE, drives Sela to suicide in her bunker, occupies the remaining space, and sends out Simon tr'Wisenthal to hunt down the rest of the Tal Shiar. Please Cryptic. Just do SOMETHING!
I would be interesting to see those tears in combination with a happy & evil "Mwuhahahahaha!!!" while you're smashing your enemies to death and they barely scratch paint on your hull. But who am I to criticise your facial decoration fashion choice
You only need to change so much, the Traditionalist faction welcomes you with open arms (don't let the sig fool you, my main is a Romulan, but he keeps a low profile, for now at least).
Tal'Shiar/Reman Resistance/Romulan Nemesis uniform, pls.
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"Player-led fleet wipes out Tal-Shiar."
"Player tracks down Donatra and liberates her from the Borg."
"Player subtly engineers Donatra's reinstatement as RSE Empress."
*Turns off Neural Neutralizer*
"Feeling refreshed now? I told you that chair was comfy.
*Turns Neural Neutralizer back on*
"Sela attempts to assassinate Donatra and usurp her throne."
"Player kills Sela in defense of Donatra."
"Donatra signs peace treaty, and allies RSE with the Republic."
And you feel GREAT!
*Turns off Neural Neutralizer*
"There you go! Why don't you get back to plot-writing?"
Now, where do we catch a dev, and which one?
There has to be at least one or two that feel "kind of meh" about Fed content.
Tal'Shiar/Reman Resistance/Romulan Nemesis uniform, pls.
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With the Neural Neutralizer chair that should be easy to achieve
Make's sense due to the fact you do not come to STO to stick it to the man, but naturally to give into YOUR own inner cowardice and fetish of becoming immensed in a Hive Mind. -shrug- Guess not all of us are true warriors, now are we STO?