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Na'kuhl, bro.

Well... The Na'kuhl seem to have turned up in the tailor as an alien complexion.

Time to get our cold war on.

They're a 29th century faction in the war, probably contemporaries of Braxton, as opposed to being a 31st century faction like Daniels

Enemies of the Temporal Accord, they view time travel as their right. They're also enemies of the Suliban. Masters of one way stealth time travel. They assassinated Vladmir Lennin that one time.

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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Heh :p Treks easiest way to tell you that those aliens in front of you are evil? Put them into TRIBBLE uniforms.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    They better let me have an SS costume unlock -.-
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  • rlak47rlak47 Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    On a separate note, I have always wanted 20th century military uniforms, or the naval officers outfit from Generations :smile:

    But yeah, they look cool, presumably going to be the antagonist for Season 11 if they're in the tailor. Will be nice to have someone new again :smiley:
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    They better let me have an SS costume unlock -.-

    Just use the Vadwaar uniforms they work quite well.​​
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    I wonder if the whiners that cried for TRIBBLE uniforms a year or so ago will actually get their wish granted by Cryptic?

    Oh, and let me be the first to enter the obligatory T6 NX-Class request here! :D

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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Various forms of WWII German uniforms have been used all over Trek. We may get some generic ones but it is impossible to get SS or other TRIBBLE uniforms due to them being illegal in Germany (the insignia anyway, probably not the uniforms themselves).​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

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    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    I hope they get then some fancy, colorful outfits that look totally unlike what they wore on Enterprise.​​
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    artan42 wrote: »
    They better let me have an SS costume unlock -.-

    Just use the Vadwaar uniforms they work quite well.​​
    still too damned expensive on the ex for a 1 character unlock
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    They better let me have an SS costume unlock -.-

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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    These guys should be added to the KDF, shortly after the KDF breaks away from this recently-formed Alliance.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    protogoth wrote: »
    They better let me have an SS costume unlock -.-

    You have made the Goddess of Empathy facepalm.
    say what you want about the SS themselves but you have to admit they had some gods-be-damned snazzy uniform jackets an boots.... the pants sucked but... pobody's nerfect
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    Well... The Na'kuhl seem to have turned up in the tailor as an alien complexion.

    Time to get our cold war on.

    They're a 29th century faction in the war, probably contemporaries of Braxton, as opposed to being a 31st century faction like Daniels

    Enemies of the Temporal Accord, they view time travel as their right. They're also enemies of the Suliban. Masters of one way stealth time travel. They assassinated Vladmir Lennin that one time.

    Who?

    Oh, right, that species that turned up in that absolute nonsense time travel arc. Aren't you tired of absolute nonsense time travel arcs yet after "Butterfly"?
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    Because the Na'Kuhl became an option in the tailor and spoiling their possible inclusion into STO doesn't mean they will be including the German Uniforms. Remember they were killed in an alternate timeline in the past.

    Though it's making it obvious New Dawn will be the STO's inclusion into the Temporal War. Which makes me actually happy because I've been itching for the Battle of Procyon V even before Launch. Which I always suggested STO ships were those ships seen on Enterprise.

    And Future Guy is a Romulan Imperial whose pissed off about the destruction of Romulus and trying to change history to bring it back.


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  • a3001a3001 Member Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    They better let me have an SS costume unlock -.-

    You want these forums to burn don't you? *starts passing out molotovs*
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Wait lol, enterprise had TRIBBLE too?

    That makes 3/5 star trek shows with TRIBBLE in them doesnt it?

    TOS had kirk, spock and mccoy dressed up as TRIBBLE germans, voyager had hirogens dressed up as TRIBBLE germans, and enterprise had these vampire things as TRIBBLE germans?
    DS9 had a holonovel episode with a secret agent theme. Not sure if any of the bad guys were actual TRIBBLE though. (Cardassians were often compared to them though)

    EDIT: those were mostly Russians. So Stalinists, not TRIBBLE.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    Because the Na'Kuhl became an option in the tailor and spoiling their possible inclusion into STO doesn't mean they will be including the German Uniforms. Remember they were killed in an alternate timeline in the past.

    Though it's making it obvious New Dawn will be the STO's inclusion into the Temporal War. Which makes me actually happy because I've been itching for the Battle of Procyon V even before Launch. Which I always suggested STO ships were those ships seen on Enterprise.

    And Future Guy is a Romulan Imperial whose pissed off about the destruction of Romulus and trying to change history to bring it back.


    My suspicion is that Cryptic will design new uniforms for the Na'kuhl that have a similar flavor. The Na'kuhl who wore the uniforms were actually IN the SS. Presumably the ones we encounter won't be. That said, they likely have a taste for fascism. And when it doubt, Cryptic (I think wisely, mileage may vary) latches onto canon traits and amplifies them.

    So they'll look like aliens who would be at home wearing a TRIBBLE uniform but they won't actually wear TRIBBLE uniforms.

    My prediction is, Temporal Cold War is actually going to be the next expansion. IF they include WWII German uniforms, they'll make it a perk for the $20/$150 packs. The regular costume bundles haven't been profitable. Meanwhile, the demand for this is going to exceed what I see them putting in the Lobi store. And it thematically plays well with an expansion called Temporal Cold War (or probably something simpler like Star Trek Online: Time War) to have historical military costumes tied in.

    My prediction is that we'll see Temporal Holdings for fleets. 23rd Century Starbase with TOS flare in time for the 50th anniversary celebration. Historical costumes. Historical bridge officers. I also think the Doctor Holo-BOff at Vegas is a testbed. Maybe we'll start seeing super-exclusive holographic recreations of characters for the 50th. I don't know that they can get Shatner but they might manage to swing his likeness on a BOff or at least Pike's.

    I think TCW will be the "wrapper" for new content but that the new content itself will likely be all eras on the table. I can imagine Takei and Koenig headlining the next expansion. If you think about it, Tim Russ seems to be a contact person for Cryptic. Then you can look at people who work on Russ' fan films as possible recruitment for STO.

    That would include Koenig, Cirroc Lofton, Alan Ruck, J.G. Hertzler. Takei I think is all about keeping a high internet profile.

    I really can see Frakes and Sirtis going for STO. And we've heard they're going for Levar Burton and Kate Mulgrew.

    And also keep in mind they found out they have the rights to all the audio from the shows. I believe they put Roxann Dawson in game from an alternate take of the scene where Harry Kim died. They're only using stuff with raw audio. That would theoretically include movies. So they can Trials and Tribble-ations us into iconic Trek moments.

    Now, sure, you want to mix that up with new stuff. But Delta Rising brought in record numbers for the game when it launched. If they can use a mix of new recordings from various actors in supporting roles and use audio of Kirk and Picard and Sisko from the shows, in context, well... You might need sign-offs in some cases but I think a Shatner likeness signoff is more realistic than new recording. And then if you have Takei doing new dialogue around it, it will fit.

    My prediction remains that when they reintroduce State of Q, it will become part of this new plotline and they'll get Felecia Bell and maybe Cirroc Lofton to record new dialogue aboard the Saratoga.

    If we're hopping in and out of iconic moments, in our timeline and in others, a lot of the material becomes usable. Christopher Plummer likely won't do STO but we can take Kirk's place fighting Chang while safeguarding an alternate reality where the Klingons executed Kirk. And then we get Plummer's glorious Shakespearean taunts in a boss fight.
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Well, we already have the Kobali armband piece. Just give us some legit hats, and we can easily make Wehrmacht uniforms. Personally, I'd rather have a Red Army uniform.

    EDIT: I'm sure that SFD would love some commie uniforms.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    In general, DS9 didn't need TRIBBLE because they were running a longform World War II allegory. Half the series is based on WWII.

    TNG did reference WWII but tended to focus on the technological advancements. They did make a Pearl Harbor allusion once. Dixon Hill took place in 1941. Hill was based on the character Dixon Steele (nicknamed "Dix" also) who was played by Humphrey Bogart in a 1947 film. The Dixon Steele character was a WWII vet.

    However, spoilers for the book...
    Dixon Steele is a misogynist serial killer helping with the investigation to cover his own tracks.
  • lordinsanelordinsane Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    Wait lol, enterprise had TRIBBLE too?

    That makes 3/5 star trek shows with TRIBBLE in them doesnt it?

    TOS had kirk, spock and mccoy dressed up as TRIBBLE germans, voyager had hirogens dressed up as TRIBBLE germans, and enterprise had these vampire things as TRIBBLE germans?
    TOS had an entire planet dressed up in TRIBBLE German style (that is, most of them were in mundane 30s-40s clothing) for that Kirk, Spock and McCoy incident (after all, none of them would dress up like that without a reason).
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    My suspicion is that Cryptic will design new uniforms for the Na'kuhl that have a similar flavor. The Na'kuhl who wore the uniforms were actually IN the SS. Presumably the ones we encounter won't be. That said, they likely have a taste for fascism. And when it doubt, Cryptic (I think wisely, mileage may vary) latches onto canon traits and amplifies them.

    So they'll look like aliens who would be at home wearing a TRIBBLE uniform but they won't actually wear TRIBBLE uniforms.

    I could see them designing uniforms being highly militaristic, but if they added the WW2 outfit ... oh boy. You know that's going to cause problems on so many levels. And how much you want to bet our goon squad is going to get dressed up and cause a commotion? People thought the Disco Balls were bad?

    Now, sure, you want to mix that up with new stuff. But Delta Rising brought in record numbers for the game when it launched.

    I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that. Especially when the queues and chat channels are dead. (Except during this CE Event, and I'm seeing 300 numbers in the Advanced).
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    protogoth wrote: »
    They better let me have an SS costume unlock -.-

    You have made the Goddess of Empathy facepalm.
    say what you want about the SS themselves but you have to admit they had some gods-be-damned snazzy uniform jackets an boots.... the pants sucked but... pobody's nerfect

    The Class A Service Uniform Type 3 of the Tal'Diann is much snazzier, and the Praetorian variants on that are snazzier still. :P

  • alexsanderitaalexsanderita Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    Because the Na'Kuhl became an option in the tailor and spoiling their possible inclusion into STO doesn't mean they will be including the German Uniforms. Remember they were killed in an alternate timeline in the past.

    ^This. Is the reason they will use, because making possible for players to wear TRIBBLE uniforms would be problematic.
    Though it's making it obvious New Dawn will be the STO's inclusion into the Temporal War.

    Sure it is.

    Now that we're doing war with temporal technology and everybody and their mother have access to it sure the next season is about temporal war and the Na'Kuhl would not like the youngster species to mess with "their" business.

    As long as they don't fit them in ridiculous TRIBBLE-like uniform I think they could make a good enemy.
    I fear for the ship design though. They always make questionable taste ripoffs when they don't have solid canon material imho.
    Which makes me actually happy because I've been itching for the Battle of Procyon V even before Launch.

    It's too early for the STO timeline but we' re going in that direction and the Xindi are already there. So there will be something related imho.
    I still dream from time to time about using the Gateway to doff off-game in spare minutes as we were told
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    My suspicion is that Cryptic will design new uniforms for the Na'kuhl that have a similar flavor. The Na'kuhl who wore the uniforms were actually IN the SS. Presumably the ones we encounter won't be. That said, they likely have a taste for fascism. And when it doubt, Cryptic (I think wisely, mileage may vary) latches onto canon traits and amplifies them.

    So they'll look like aliens who would be at home wearing a TRIBBLE uniform but they won't actually wear TRIBBLE uniforms.

    I could see them designing uniforms being highly militaristic, but if they added the WW2 outfit ... oh boy. You know that's going to cause problems on so many levels. And how much you want to bet our goon squad is going to get dressed up and cause a commotion? People thought the Disco Balls were bad?

    Now, sure, you want to mix that up with new stuff. But Delta Rising brought in record numbers for the game when it launched.

    I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that. Especially when the queues and chat channels are dead. (Except during this CE Event, and I'm seeing 300 numbers in the Advanced).

    I think it brought in record sales on bundles and I expect more attempts at bundles tied to new cast members appearing.

    I think Geko said the first few weeks were CLOSE to record activity (LOR was the record, I think?) but DR set a financial record for them nevertheless. Which is what's relevant to my prediction of a bundle.

    They can get mileage out of the 50th by doing an expansion that time travels to different eras. I can see a lucrative bundle there and can see historical military uniforms as a premium perk.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    Now, sure, you want to mix that up with new stuff. But Delta Rising brought in record numbers for the game when it launched.

    I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that. Especially when the queues and chat channels are dead. (Except during this CE Event, and I'm seeing 300 numbers in the Advanced).
    He said 'at launch' even the Enterprise series had good numbers for the pilot episode... but just like ENT's numbers nosedived after that for ep2 so did DR
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    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    He said 'at launch' even the Enterprise series had good numbers for the pilot episode... but just like ENT's numbers nosedived after that for ep2 so did DR

    And you actually believed him? Without showing solid evidence to back up that claim? /facepalm
    I think it brought in record sales on bundles and I expect more attempts at bundles tied to new cast members appearing.

    I think Geko said the first few weeks were CLOSE to record activity (LOR was the record, I think?) but DR set a financial record for them nevertheless. Which is what's relevant to my prediction of a bundle.

    They can get mileage out of the 50th by doing an expansion that time travels to different eras. I can see a lucrative bundle there and can see historical military uniforms as a premium perk.

    Yeah, I believe Hillary Clinton and Bernie Madeoff before I believe that. Especially out of the person who called people exploiters for simply playing the game. If the game was doing so well, then where is the solid proof? And if DR was as much of a "financial success" as they claim, then why the firings a few months ago?

    I just don't buy it. To me a success would be them sticking around longer than 1 or 2 weeks. Especially when there was a MAJOR event shortly after (The Winter Event). Guaranteed, that thinking is going to lose business, because new players come on board and see a ghost town, they very likely aren't going to stick around in the long-term.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    He said 'at launch' even the Enterprise series had good numbers for the pilot episode... but just like ENT's numbers nosedived after that for ep2 so did DR

    And you actually believed him? Without showing solid evidence to back up that claim? /facepalm
    I think it brought in record sales on bundles and I expect more attempts at bundles tied to new cast members appearing.

    I think Geko said the first few weeks were CLOSE to record activity (LOR was the record, I think?) but DR set a financial record for them nevertheless. Which is what's relevant to my prediction of a bundle.

    They can get mileage out of the 50th by doing an expansion that time travels to different eras. I can see a lucrative bundle there and can see historical military uniforms as a premium perk.

    Yeah, I believe Hillary Clinton and Bernie Madeoff before I believe that. Especially out of the person who called people exploiters for simply playing the game. If the game was doing so well, then where is the solid proof? And if DR was as much of a "financial success" as they claim, then why the firings a few months ago?

    I just don't buy it. To me a success would be them sticking around longer than 1 or 2 weeks. Especially when there was a MAJOR event shortly after (The Winter Event). Guaranteed, that thinking is going to lose business, because new players come on board and see a ghost town, they very likely aren't going to stick around in the long-term.

    I don't think we're talking about a magical success model. We're talking about whether there was a short term financial spike, which might be something that can be sustained with a repeat or a doubling down if dropoff wasn't related to the products in the C-Store or the cash bundles, which I don't think it was.

    Separate your view of the game into component parts.

    I am not talking game mechanics or XP curves or longer term retention management. I am talking raw financials and cash shop products as well as marketing.

    Okay, now, I am saying that I believe that the value offering of the bundles coupled with hype from the Voyager reunion generated a spike of sales. I think that the spike's decline can be tied to a number of things, which include: cyclical play, community communication difficulties, frustration, bugs, etc.

    All I am saying is that I think a similar build up and launch (not including any of the nerfing in the launch, that was several days later) with perhaps a different post-launch set of strategies can replicate or create better short term financial returns, especially if they double down on elements that were successful. I don't think this is a revolutionary premise.

    Now, that said, my next premise is that time travel opens things up wide open. If Voyager cast members generated X, George Takei and Walter Koenig with archived voiceover from Shatner and Nimoy and Riker, Troi, Worf, and Geordi, with archived voiceover from Stewart and Spiner and strategic C-Store packs could generate a lot of pre-launch buzz and buzz through launch.

    Now, from the day or two or maybe the week after the launch hits, that's a separate set of issues.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    I don't think we're talking about a magical success model. We're talking about whether there was a short term financial spike, which might be something that can be sustained with a repeat or a doubling down if dropoff wasn't related to the products in the C-Store or the cash bundles, which I don't think it was.

    Separate your view of the game into component parts.

    I am not talking game mechanics or XP curves or longer term retention management. I am talking raw financials and cash shop products as well as marketing.

    Okay, now, I am saying that I believe that the value offering of the bundles coupled with hype from the Voyager reunion generated a spike of sales. I think that the spike's decline can be tied to a number of things, which include: cyclical play, community communication difficulties, frustration, bugs, etc.

    All I am saying is that I think a similar build up and launch (not including any of the nerfing in the launch, that was several days later) with perhaps a different post-launch set of strategies can replicate or create better short term financial returns, especially if they double down on elements that were successful. I don't think this is a revolutionary premise.

    Now, that said, my next premise is that time travel opens things up wide open. If Voyager cast members generated X, George Takei and Walter Koenig with archived voiceover from Shatner and Nimoy and Riker, Troi, Worf, and Geordi, with archived voiceover from Stewart and Spiner and strategic C-Store packs could generate a lot of pre-launch buzz and buzz through launch.

    Now, from the day or two or maybe the week after the launch hits, that's a separate set of issues.

    Assuming the spikes were real, it's not sustainable since the population leaves within a few weeks. It's no different in principle than the stock market. Spikes are people playing the market, while the slower growth is with dedicated investors who believes in the product's long-term growth. All it takes is one major disappointment and that spike becomes smaller and smaller. Their goal should be not having spikes, but having an island form, and it getting higher and higher.

    Now if they did get a whole roster of the cast to reprise their roles for S11 or the ST 50th, oh it will surely generate an interest. But those who were burned by DR will still feel the burn, and not all will return. So I would advise Salami to keep the dogs on the leash and task someone that the community likes for the PR.
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