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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    And if DR was as much of a "financial success" as they claim, then why the firings a few months ago?

    The "firings" were not unique to STO, nor even games published by PWI. Look around at some of the other gaming companies.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Haha... there is no way to have constant purchases on that scale. All new stuff gets bought more when it is first released. Then the people who have it stop buying it, unless it's stuff like lockboxen.
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  • koraheaglecrykoraheaglecry Member Posts: 250 Arc User
    dark4blood wrote: »
    Well... The Na'kuhl seem to have turned up in the tailor as an alien complexion.

    Time to get our cold war on.

    They're a 29th century faction in the war, probably contemporaries of Braxton, as opposed to being a 31st century faction like Daniels

    Enemies of the Temporal Accord, they view time travel as their right. They're also enemies of the Suliban. Masters of one way stealth time travel. They assassinated Vladmir Lennin that one time.

    ^Reminds me too much "Sliders" TRIBBLE alien s and seems VERY unoriginal. Sad if this is the way they are going. Just another reason why "Enterprise" was a TRIBBLE show, they had to go off of propaganda just to get views.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q="Sliders"++TRIBBLE+aliens&view=detailv2&qpvt="Sliders"++TRIBBLE+aliens&id=7BFD73324CC00CC07CD51EEED962269D0AF03FF1&selectedIndex=1&ccid=EwYMVVLu&simid=608003336414168735&thid=JN.Df2I0QsmIgBMjHQ8Ly65kQ&ajaxhist=0

    The the use of TRIBBLE in Star Trek has been apart of the franchise since TOS. If anything Sliders ripped Star Trek by using TRIBBLE Aliens. Enterprise was just following an already established pattern set by TOS and repeated in other Star Trek series including Voyager. And Enterprise was actually a really good show. Its failure is just a reflection of how stubborn and boneheaded the franchises fanbase is. I know people who to this day refuse to watch DS9 because it wasnt centered on a Starship. I know people that hated TNG because it wasnt the original cast and it was a new ship. I know people who hated Voyager because the Captain was a female. What a shock the fanbase would think a show that was actually rather entertaining and took some artistic rights with some very unimportant franchise historical facts would consider it 'TRIBBLE'.

  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    I like ENTERPRISE.
    But I'm not a rigid canon fan.
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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    dark4blood wrote: »
    Reminds me too much "Sliders" TRIBBLE alien s and seems VERY unoriginal. Sad if this is the way they are going. Just another reason why "Enterprise" was a TRIBBLE show, they had to go off of propaganda just to get views.

    God no! If Cryptic renews the 'temporal cold war' I might have to leave STO. That and the Xindi thing ruined Enterprise. Viewers wanted to see the classic races/conflicts pre-Fed (like we finally saw in the last season) but that came too late to save the show.

  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    dark4blood wrote: »
    Reminds me too much "Sliders" TRIBBLE alien s and seems VERY unoriginal. Sad if this is the way they are going. Just another reason why "Enterprise" was a TRIBBLE show, they had to go off of propaganda just to get views.

    God no! If Cryptic renews the 'temporal cold war' I might have to leave STO. That and the Xindi thing ruined Enterprise. Viewers wanted to see the classic races/conflicts pre-Fed (like we finally saw in the last season) but that came too late to save the show.

    Like I say, I think the Temporal Cold War will wind up involving us more with TOS than Enterprise. Next year is an anniversary year.
  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    Could we replace the term "TRIBBLE Uniform" with the term "Rhode Island State Trooper Uniform" For the easily offended? Go ahead and google a picture.....I will just wait right here.






    Creepy huh?
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    Could we replace the term "TRIBBLE Uniform" with the term "Rhode Island State Trooper Uniform" For the easily offended? Go ahead and google a picture.....I will just wait right here.

    They look far more like Canadian Mountie uniforms than SS Uniforms.

  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    Could we replace the term "TRIBBLE Uniform" with the term "Rhode Island State Trooper Uniform" For the easily offended? Go ahead and google a picture.....I will just wait right here.

    They look far more like Canadian Mountie uniforms than SS Uniforms.

    Look at the "Providence Honor Guard" for their State police...it's missing a riding crop for full effect. Looks like they ditched the old hard brimmed black caps for the "Smokey the bear" Brown rounds.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    I dunno, couple of those are creepy close, one looks kinda panzer even
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  • alexsanderitaalexsanderita Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    God no! If Cryptic renews the 'temporal cold war' I might have to leave STO. That and the Xindi thing ruined Enterprise. Viewers wanted to see the classic races/conflicts pre-Fed (like we finally saw in the last season) but that came too late to save the show.

    ^This.


    ENT was the series that aired while I was at school and got me into Star Trek.
    Then I went for TOS that became my favourite (btw) and I jumped here and there.

    But ENT was good until that TRIBBLE went on. Having it on STO... well, if played right why not... but I fear.

    Like I say, I think the Temporal Cold War will wind up involving us more with TOS than Enterprise. Next year is an anniversary year.

    So there probably will be a single episode in TOS time period next year.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    dark4blood wrote: »
    Reminds me too much "Sliders" TRIBBLE alien s and seems VERY unoriginal. Sad if this is the way they are going. Just another reason why "Enterprise" was a TRIBBLE show, they had to go off of propaganda just to get views.

    God no! If Cryptic renews the 'temporal cold war' I might have to leave STO. That and the Xindi thing ruined Enterprise. Viewers wanted to see the classic races/conflicts pre-Fed (like we finally saw in the last season) but that came too late to save the show.

    Yes because rehashes of older stuff is so good, that's what made VOY so popular right? No. People like original ideas, like the Xindi.​​
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  • thetaninethetanine Member Posts: 1,367 Arc User
    Well... The Na'kuhl seem to have turned up in the tailor as an alien complexion.

    Time to get our cold war on.

    They're a 29th century faction in the war, probably contemporaries of Braxton, as opposed to being a 31st century faction like Daniels

    Enemies of the Temporal Accord, they view time travel as their right. They're also enemies of the Suliban. Masters of one way stealth time travel. They assassinated Vladmir Lennin that one time.

    Apocrypha:

    As revealed in the Star Trek Online mission "Doomsday Device", the Na'kuhl visited the 22nd century in the hopes of enlisting the aid of the Klingon Empire in the Temporal Cold War:

    The Na'kuhl enticed the Klingons with information about the future, including the location of a disabled planet killer, but the Klingons refused them. A small faction within the Empire passed the knowledge down through the generations, culminating in the retrieval and activation of the planet killer by Ambassador B'vat's forces for use against the Federation.

    Source: http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Na'kuhl#Apocrypha

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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    protogoth wrote: »
    The "firings" were not unique to STO, nor even games published by PWI. Look around at some of the other gaming companies.

    You make like it was because of the economy when it was simple PWE greed with thier stock buyoff. My point is they fired staff from STO, and yet STO is their biggest income draw. You simply don't fire people who are making you money.
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    Could we replace the term "TRIBBLE Uniform" with the term "Rhode Island State Trooper Uniform" For the easily offended? Go ahead and google a picture.....I will just wait right here.

    They look far more like Canadian Mountie uniforms than SS Uniforms.

    Look at the "Providence Honor Guard" for their State police...it's missing a riding crop for full effect. Looks like they ditched the old hard brimmed black caps for the "Smokey the bear" Brown rounds.

    After seeing these uniforms, I'm quickly getting the impression you're seeing boogeymen. Their design is no different than Army / Air Force Class A uniforms.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    thetanine wrote: »
    Well... The Na'kuhl seem to have turned up in the tailor as an alien complexion.

    Time to get our cold war on.

    They're a 29th century faction in the war, probably contemporaries of Braxton, as opposed to being a 31st century faction like Daniels

    Enemies of the Temporal Accord, they view time travel as their right. They're also enemies of the Suliban. Masters of one way stealth time travel. They assassinated Vladmir Lennin that one time.

    Apocrypha:

    As revealed in the Star Trek Online mission "Doomsday Device", the Na'kuhl visited the 22nd century in the hopes of enlisting the aid of the Klingon Empire in the Temporal Cold War:

    The Na'kuhl enticed the Klingons with information about the future, including the location of a disabled planet killer, but the Klingons refused them. A small faction within the Empire passed the knowledge down through the generations, culminating in the retrieval and activation of the planet killer by Ambassador B'vat's forces for use against the Federation.

    Source: http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Na'kuhl#Apocrypha

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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    protogoth wrote: »
    The "firings" were not unique to STO, nor even games published by PWI. Look around at some of the other gaming companies.

    You make like it was because of the economy when it was simple PWE greed with thier stock buyoff. My point is they fired staff from STO, and yet STO is their biggest income draw. You simply don't fire people who are making you money.

    Either way, that gives the lie to your previous insinuation.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    protogoth wrote: »
    Either way, that gives the lie to your previous insinuation.

    Excuse me, but what did I "lie" about?
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    protogoth wrote: »
    Either way, that gives the lie to your previous insinuation.

    Excuse me, but what did I "lie" about?

    The expression "x gives the lie to y" does not mean that the person who said y is lying. It means that y is false, as demonstrated by x. To be precise, you insinuated that the layoffs had something to do with lack of success on the part of the Delta Rising expansion:
    And if DR was as much of a "financial success" as they claim, then why the firings a few months ago?

    I countered with reference to similar layoffs throughout the industry. Your reply to that was:
    You make like it was because of the economy when it was simple PWE greed with thier stock buyoff. My point is they fired staff from STO, and yet STO is their biggest income draw. You simply don't fire people who are making you money.

    My response was to point out that, whether similar layoffs throughout the industry are relevant or your statement that it had something to do with stock buyoffs (and in particular in reference to your statement that STO provides the most profit to PWE and that the people who were laid off were making money for PWE), DR had nothing to do with the layoffs as you previously insinuated.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    God no! If Cryptic renews the 'temporal cold war' I might have to leave STO. That and the Xindi thing ruined Enterprise. Viewers wanted to see the classic races/conflicts pre-Fed (like we finally saw in the last season) but that came too late to save the show.

    ^This.


    ENT was the series that aired while I was at school and got me into Star Trek.
    Then I went for TOS that became my favourite (btw) and I jumped here and there.

    But ENT was good until that TRIBBLE went on. Having it on STO... well, if played right why not... but I fear.

    Like I say, I think the Temporal Cold War will wind up involving us more with TOS than Enterprise. Next year is an anniversary year.

    So there probably will be a single episode in TOS time period next year.

    I think the TCW lets you treat time periods as "fronts" or locations and that would allow a bigger marketing push.

    23rd century Fleet Holding. Maybe a First Federation lockbox: (Buoy, Scout, Fesarius.) Ardana Cloud City, Rigel VII. Antares Freighter in a TOS Red Shirts themed DOff pack.

    Then maybe another major season push is the Dominion War. Another could be Enterprise era. Each era gets a rep.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    protogoth wrote: »
    protogoth wrote: »
    Either way, that gives the lie to your previous insinuation.

    Excuse me, but what did I "lie" about?

    The expression "x gives the lie to y" does not mean that the person who said y is lying. It means that y is false, as demonstrated by x. To be precise, you insinuated that the layoffs had something to do with lack of success on the part of the Delta Rising expansion:
    And if DR was as much of a "financial success" as they claim, then why the firings a few months ago?

    I countered with reference to similar layoffs throughout the industry. Your reply to that was:
    You make like it was because of the economy when it was simple PWE greed with thier stock buyoff. My point is they fired staff from STO, and yet STO is their biggest income draw. You simply don't fire people who are making you money.

    My response was to point out that, whether similar layoffs throughout the industry are relevant or your statement that it had something to do with stock buyoffs (and in particular in reference to your statement that STO provides the most profit to PWE and that the people who were laid off were making money for PWE), DR had nothing to do with the layoffs as you previously insinuated.

    I see, a misunderstanding in phrasing. My appologizes. Not every day such terms are used.

    Anyhow, yes and no to the response. If you recall Delta Rising was released on October 14, 2014 and the layoffs occurred in March 2015. So while DR's performance wasn't directly responsible for the layoffs, you would think that if it was the massive success they bragged about, then why was people fired from the STO team? That's why myself and some others didn't believe the hype. But since we don't need to derail this thread anymore than we already have, lets agree to disagree.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    God no! If Cryptic renews the 'temporal cold war' I might have to leave STO. That and the Xindi thing ruined Enterprise. Viewers wanted to see the classic races/conflicts pre-Fed (like we finally saw in the last season) but that came too late to save the show.
    ^This.

    ENT was the series that aired while I was at school and got me into Star Trek.
    Then I went for TOS that became my favourite (btw) and I jumped here and there.

    But ENT was good until that TRIBBLE went on. Having it on STO... well, if played right why not... but I fear.
    Like I say, I think the Temporal Cold War will wind up involving us more with TOS than Enterprise. Next year is an anniversary year.
    So there probably will be a single episode in TOS time period next year.

    I think the TCW lets you treat time periods as "fronts" or locations and that would allow a bigger marketing push.

    23rd century Fleet Holding. Maybe a First Federation lockbox: (Buoy, Scout, Fesarius.) Ardana Cloud City, Rigel VII. Antares Freighter in a TOS Red Shirts themed DOff pack.

    Then maybe another major season push is the Dominion War. Another could be Enterprise era. Each era gets a rep.
    If they do have the Fesarius class it needs to do that special warp jump animation. (shrink and disappear) :D
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  • bernatkbernatk Member Posts: 1,089 Bug Hunter
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    Could we replace the term "TRIBBLE Uniform" with the term "Rhode Island State Trooper Uniform" For the easily offended? Go ahead and google a picture.....I will just wait right here.






    Creepy huh?

    Well, uniforms need some kind of intimidating effect. Those ones have. So mission accomplished lol.
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  • alexsanderitaalexsanderita Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    God no! If Cryptic renews the 'temporal cold war' I might have to leave STO. That and the Xindi thing ruined Enterprise. Viewers wanted to see the classic races/conflicts pre-Fed (like we finally saw in the last season) but that came too late to save the show.

    ^This.


    ENT was the series that aired while I was at school and got me into Star Trek.
    Then I went for TOS that became my favourite (btw) and I jumped here and there.

    But ENT was good until that TRIBBLE went on. Having it on STO... well, if played right why not... but I fear.

    Like I say, I think the Temporal Cold War will wind up involving us more with TOS than Enterprise. Next year is an anniversary year.

    So there probably will be a single episode in TOS time period next year.

    I think the TCW lets you treat time periods as "fronts" or locations and that would allow a bigger marketing push.

    23rd century Fleet Holding. Maybe a First Federation lockbox: (Buoy, Scout, Fesarius.) Ardana Cloud City, Rigel VII. Antares Freighter in a TOS Red Shirts themed DOff pack.

    Then maybe another major season push is the Dominion War. Another could be Enterprise era. Each era gets a rep.

    We'll never see anything like that. Just missions with plot involving time travel in alternate timelines were things went messed up like that infamous ENT episode.
    AND a single TOS episode for the Anniversary.

    I still dream from time to time about using the Gateway to doff off-game in spare minutes as we were told
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,026 Community Moderator
    Well... The Na'kuhl seem to have turned up in the tailor as an alien complexion.

    Time to get our cold war on.

    They're a 29th century faction in the war, probably contemporaries of Braxton, as opposed to being a 31st century faction like Daniels

    Enemies of the Temporal Accord, they view time travel as their right. They're also enemies of the Suliban. Masters of one way stealth time travel. They assassinated Vladmir Lennin that one time.

    OK. So, is this on Tribble or something? Because I don't see it in my Tailor options on Holodeck. :/
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  • azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    I know it was a complexion option on my male Android Science BOFF when I checked yesterday on holodeck.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
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    I see, a misunderstanding in phrasing. My appologizes. Not every day such terms are used.

    Anyhow, yes and no to the response. If you recall Delta Rising was released on October 14, 2014 and the layoffs occurred in March 2015. So while DR's performance wasn't directly responsible for the layoffs, you would think that if it was the massive success they bragged about, then why was people fired from the STO team? That's why myself and some others didn't believe the hype. But since we don't need to derail this thread anymore than we already have, lets agree to disagree.

    This is always spurious reasoning. Layoffs occur when people aren't needed for a given project. No business simply holds onto staff as a token of their past financial success, they have to be using those personnel in order to justify them. Google "restructuring" and you'll soon have the idea.

    Now come from an expansion and onto regular season activities and you NATURALLY see a drop in required productivity, justifying a drop in the headcount necessary to maintain cryptic's business. No other explanation is necessary. It's all reasonable. So invoking another explanation as necessary to explain a non-existent contradiction is, simply put, wishful thinking. You may be concerned about the future in a general sort of way, but layoffs [coupled with definite business changes] don't give credence to specific worries.

    OK. So, is this on Tribble or something? Because I don't see it in my Tailor options on Holodeck. :/

    The Na'Khul skin option was available for male aliens on holodeck and tribble until the last patch. "Accidental release" seems to sum it up nicely.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    azniadeet wrote: »
    I know it was a complexion option on my male Android Science BOFF when I checked yesterday on holodeck.

    It appears to have been pulled. I wish we could get a Krenim complexion at least.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    "Accidental release" seems to sum it up nicely.
    they make medication to help with premature release problems... perhaps cryptic should look into that
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  • xyquarzexyquarze Member Posts: 2,120 Arc User
    To keep a dying horse alive, to use a non existent phrase: I am pretty sure there will be no TRIBBLE uniforms at all in this game (Rhode Island uniforms I don't know). For the simple reason that depicting TRIBBLE emblemage and similar is only allowed in certain contexts in major parts of Europe, and games are explicitly not one of them. In other words: use a swastika, use the SS lettering, and your game will not be allowed in Germany and other countries anymore. Too much to lose there.
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