Enterprise Season 5 ?!?!?!?

jam3s1701 · August 2015

so just saw this on twitter...

https://twitter.com/BrannonBraga/status/629833075833176064

anyone who is at STLV care to pop along to his panel and tell me what is said if anything

mirrorchaos · August 2015

John Billingsley wants nothing to do with his role as Phlox. hes got nothing going on, it would have to be something really convincing to bring John back as Phlox. i mean, really convicning.

Scott Bakula is too involved in NCIS New Orleans to care what happens to enterprise. besides, he likely got a massive pay packet from CBS for that show anyways, probably not as much as Mark Harmon by a long shot, but still must of been a big hit on CBS.

I could see Jolene Blalock return to enterprise, she hasnt had a role since 2014 and as far as i am aware, she had no problems with her role

Dominic Keating, Anthony Montgomery, Linda Park and Conner Trinneer have all just finished on unbelievable!!! and Anthony and Linda have other projects going on into 2016, will have to see if they are open to enterprise once more. but an OAP captain and a crew in their 40's, it would be the oldest "young" crew around.

i dont see it going anywhere. this horse is dead and buried, why unbury the poor thing to start poking it again?

artan42 · August 2015

Set it in 2266 (or whenever TatV was meant to be) and have Malcolm as captain.

hawku001x · August 2015

A holodeck series where an even more visibly aged Riker and Troi plays various NX-01 crew everyday.

mhall85 · August 2015

Pretty much this...

https://youtu.be/31g0YE61PLQ

raj011 · August 2015

They could always have a new crew take over and some of the old crew join them. The whole crew can make an appearance at the beginning, Archer has been promoted to Admiral so a new Captain takes over. Also the older crew can make guest appearances. Happens a lot in the real world, new people take over. If they can get the main actors back. Solves that problem.

raj011 · August 2015

jam3s1701 wrote: »

so just saw this on twitter...

https://twitter.com/BrannonBraga/status/629833075833176064

anyone who is at STLV care to pop along to his panel and tell me what is said if anything

Any news on if they will start Star Trek Enterprise series 5?

deaftravis05 · August 2015

too much time has passed. They could do another one for the Romulan War and do it as a miniseries then attach it to the Enterprise Series.

raj011 · August 2015

If they do it the

raj011 wrote: »

They could always have a new crew take over and some of the old crew join them. The whole crew can make an appearance at the beginning, Archer has been promoted to Admiral so a new Captain takes over. Also the older crew can make guest appearances. Happens a lot in the real world, new people take over. If they can get the main actors back. Solves that problem.

If they do this way. It will still work out. Does not matter how much time has passed. Keep the crew young enough to continue in the series and have new crew join them. The older members could make guest appearances.

rattler2 · August 2015

deaftravis05 wrote: »

too much time has passed. They could do another one for the Romulan War and do it as a miniseries then attach it to the Enterprise Series.

This is the most probably avenue of continuing Enterprise. Kinda like how they had that Battlestar Galactica: Blood and Chrome miniseries covering the first Cylon War.

deaftravis05 · August 2015

rattler2 wrote: »

deaftravis05 wrote: »

too much time has passed. They could do another one for the Romulan War and do it as a miniseries then attach it to the Enterprise Series.

This is the most probably avenue of continuing Enterprise. Kinda like how they had that Battlestar Galactica: Blood and Chrome miniseries covering the first Cylon War.

indeed... they can bring the actors on as guests...

lilchibiclari · August 2015

The Romulan War supposedly lasted until 2161 anyway--we could just skip shead to the ending of it and start exploring the newborn Federation.

timofborg · August 2015

I left a reply comment:

Tim of Borg ‏@TimOfBorgShow 33s33 seconds ago
@BrannonBraga I want Enterprise back for another 9 seasons so it outruns Stargate SG1! This time it should be done by Bad Robot. Fringe+trek

angrytarg · August 2015

Disregard the entirety of ENT by retconning ENT set in a alternate timeline (after FC - they did that but it wasn't spelled out) and start a fresh attempt at portraying the "birth of the federation" without forced recognition (no references to other series) and without Brannon Braga and it maybe not hurt that much. But only maybe.

ggsimmonds84 · August 2015

If Enterprise or any ST show returns, the best thing for it would be to keep Braga and Berman as far away as possible.

deaftravis05 · August 2015

angrytarg wrote: »

Disregard the entirety of ENT by retconning ENT set in a alternate timeline (after FC - they did that but it wasn't spelled out) and start a fresh attempt at portraying the "birth of the federation" without forced recognition (no references to other series) and without Brannon Braga and it maybe not hurt that much. But only maybe.

they made it quite clear ET was after first contact...

angrytarg · August 2015

deaftravis05 wrote: »

they made it quite clear ET was after first contact...

That's what you say. But a whole lot of people don't understand that. Essentially you have to treat the series logically by the time they were shot. You cannot judge anything in TNG or TOS by what ENT showed because they are not the same timeline. The show however did not distance itself enough in that way for my taste. And if there is another attempt at the early UFP I'd prefer it taking place in the "original" timeline and ignoring ENT completely (No Borg, no augments, no Xindi etc.)

deaftravis05 · August 2015

I think the speech the good doctor who invented warp drive during the launch of the enterprise kind of... clarifies that?

raj011 · August 2015

Have they said anything at STLV?

captainrevo1 · August 2015

If they want to bring one back id rather see a new DS9 set 15 years on or whatever. Same location but mostly a different crew. I would have loved a ENT season 5 at the time but I just dont see where they can go with it, not with so much time having passed. Also if they ever bring trek back they want a guaranteed winner and Ent was very mixed for people. I dont know if it could get the support and hype they would need.

ggsimmonds84 · August 2015

captainrevo1 wrote: »

If they want to bring one back id rather see a new DS9 set 15 years on or whatever. Same location but mostly a different crew. I would have loved a ENT season 5 at the time but I just dont see where they can go with it, not with so much time having passed. Also if they ever bring trek back they want a guaranteed winner and Ent was very mixed for people. I dont know if it could get the support and hype they would need.

What would they do with a new DS9 series? A second war? I think that series would fail miserably.

However, I would like a spiritual successor to DS9, but back on a Starship set in the post war era.

captainrevo1 · August 2015

ggsimmonds84 wrote: »

What would they do with a new DS9 series? A second war? I think that series would fail miserably.

However, I would like a spiritual successor to DS9, but back on a Starship set in the post war era.

I only mentioned it in relation to this thread about bring back a specific series.

But it doesnt have to be about a war at all. some of my favorite episodes had nothing to do with the war. What is bajor like now, how are the cardassians and how are they treated after effectivly betraying the alpha quadrant? how are the romulans coping with the loss of their world? what else is there in the gamma quadrant other than the dominion? There are hundreds of stories you could tell.

You could probably do much of that with a starship based show but i always liked the fact DS9 was in one place so people come to it to get a sense of the overall political situation.

deaftravis05 · August 2015

They could do a JAG or NCIS based off DS9's location. You'd get a lot there

rattler2 · August 2015

angrytarg wrote: »

That's what you say. But a whole lot of people don't understand that. Essentially you have to treat the series logically by the time they were shot. You cannot judge anything in TNG or TOS by what ENT showed because they are not the same timeline. The show however did not distance itself enough in that way for my taste. And if there is another attempt at the early UFP I'd prefer it taking place in the "original" timeline and ignoring ENT completely (No Borg, no augments, no Xindi etc.)

Augments existed in the "Original" timeline already, in the form of Khan and his people on the Botany Bay. They just didn't call them "Augments".

Also... if Enterprise was not part of the "Original" timeline... then how would the Defiant, a ship from the "Original" timeline, have records on Archer when she was recovered by the Terran Empire from the Tholians?

The way I see it, the events of First Contact were, to borrow a Dr. Who term, a fixed point in time. It was SUPPOSED to happen, has already happened, and will ALWAYS happen. Basically a predestination paradox type thing. The sphere was destroyed by the Enterprise-E, allowing for the Phoenix to fly and attract the attention of the Vulcans. 100 years later Starfleet discovers the wreckage, and the events of Regeneration take place, thus setting up for official First Contact with the Borg in TNG, as even before we saw them for the first time their presence was being felt. Q Who just alerted the Federation to the existance of the Borg.

Another example from Babylon 5 is the disappearance of Babylon 4. The station was completed, but taken forward in time by unknown forces before getting pulled backwards in time 1000 years to act as a command center in the previous Shadow War. Years later, Captain Sheridan, the current commander of Babylon 5, learns that HE was the one who stole B4... and WILL be the one to steal B4 to make sure that the Shadows in the current War are not super strong because B4 was not sent back in time to act as the Minbari command center.

It already happened, it will happen, it MUST happen.

Just because the other shows don't reference Enterprise doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That's the thing with prequels. While it does open a door to show how things came about, your hands are tied by what already exists.

And before anyone starts saying Archer was an idiot... take into consideration that he was the first Starfleet Captain to go out farther than any other at the time. You CANNOT compare him to later captains because Archer didn't have the support base Kirk, Picard, and Janeway had when they were commanding ships. In fact... while Janeway was in a similar situation to Archer, Janeway had more support because she was from a later time period and learned about captains who came before her. Archer was literally a pioneer in his time. Yes he made mistakes, but that's what happens when you set out for the first time. You make mistakes, you learn from them.

angrytarg · August 2015

rattler2 wrote: »

Augments existed in the "Original" timeline already, in the form of Khan and his people on the Botany Bay. They just didn't call them "Augments".

I was specifically referring to (but I forgot to mention, mind you) Klingon augments. ENT made a huge mistake - trying to explain costume differences between shows two decades apart. You don't do that - Rodenberry already did that stating "Klingons always looked like this (TNG)" - the budget just wasn't there. Explaining that with the augment virus is first and foremost insultingly nonsensical from a scientific point of view, kills DS9s great humorous take on it and is akin to a game trying to explain gameplay necessities with lore. We live in a time people always demand "story" and "explanation" pretending to be deep but in reality don't make much sense and also ruin a huge part of following a show - your own interpretation. George Lucas did something similiar...

Also... if Enterprise was not part of the "Original" timeline... then how would the Defiant, a ship from the "Original" timeline, have records on Archer when she was recovered by the Terran Empire from the Tholians?

This was part of ENT. They wrote it that way. The entirety of the show does, however, still not work with the established canon, no matter how much brain acrobatics someone uses. Obviously ENT did not exist when they made TOS and the other shows. If you watch TNG you know that the events in ENT did not happen as they weren't written. That is also totally fine - it's that unhealthy demand for a "metaplot" that ties together different shows from different ages that doesn't work. You mentioned Dr.Who - it is a very good example.

In TOS and TNG etc. the flight of the Phoenix happened "normally" without intervention. When the Enterprise was there to help those events happen they created a new timeline. The shows have previously established that in the majority of cases timetravel is involved a sort of "reality shift" happens and events cross quantum realities creating a new timeline. There were also instances of "back to the future" type of real-time changes to the current timeline, but the difference was never explained - that makes it hard to make sense of it, that's true. If any, the first contact is the fixed point in time, although the very nature of fixed points make no sense if you put too much thought into it. Trekverse can perform timetravel at will with ease every time someone wants to (and all characters will always claim it's a impossible process, mind you). Someone could go back and shoot down the Vulcan ship...

Just because the other shows don't reference Enterprise doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That's the thing with prequels. While it does open a door to show how things came about, your hands are tied by what already exists.

You are right - if you must make a prequel your hands are tied by what already exists. Most of the time, as with ENT, this is completely ignored for the sake of forced recognition (showing Borg in ENT was unnecessary, Klingon augments were unnecessary (the matter has been resolved previously) etc. - instead, what they safely could have shown was Human-Andorian-Tellarite relationships, the Romulan-Earth war - stuff that was established but never shown) and screws everything over in the process. Alternate timelines is the only explanation that lets you remain sane

artan42 · August 2015

angrytarg wrote: »

In TOS and TNG etc. the flight of the Phoenix happened "normally" without intervention.

But it didn't. The first ship with Warp Drive in TOS was the Bonaventure, the Phoenix was another retcon.

angrytarg · August 2015

artan42 wrote: »

But it didn't. The first ship with Warp Drive in TOS was the Bonaventure, the Phoenix was another retcon.

Good catch. That leaves two possibilities in-lore:

The Phoenix was a prototype that was basically meant to only fire up the engine for one second and then burn out, leaving only the signature to be found by the Vulcans (Ex-Astris' interpretation) and the Bonaventure was the first "real" warp ship or the Borg incursion causes an instant diversion of the timeline, leading somehow to the use of another ship, meaning that prior to FC there never was a phoenix that was launched from a missile silo.

Retcons are always messy things. They can work when they don't stir up too much anomalies - for isntance, the Phoenix can logically be placed in the timeline as a first testbed. That doesn't really break anything as the Bonaventure could still be the first warp ship with a real crew and destination. Other retcons, however, really break stuff like FC's claim of the Borg Queen being around "The best of both worlds" which casually invalidates the whole point of the episode and contradicts the Borg's prior characterization.

rattler2 · August 2015

angrytarg wrote: »

rattler2 wrote: »

Augments existed in the "Original" timeline already, in the form of Khan and his people on the Botany Bay. They just didn't call them "Augments".

I was specifically referring to (but I forgot to mention, mind you) Klingon augments. ENT made a huge mistake - trying to explain costume differences between shows two decades apart. You don't do that - Rodenberry already did that stating "Klingons always looked like this (TNG)" - the budget just wasn't there. Explaining that with the augment virus is first and foremost insultingly nonsensical from a scientific point of view, kills DS9s great humorous take on it and is akin to a game trying to explain gameplay necessities with lore. We live in a time people always demand "story" and "explanation" pretending to be deep but in reality don't make much sense and also ruin a huge part of following a show - your own interpretation. George Lucas did something similiar...

I actually think that the Klingons were handled pretty well, and also fits well with Worf saying "We don't like to talk about it." I mean think about it! A proud race of warriors who made a mistake and end up having to get help from those they see as weaker. Nobody with that much pride would want to discuss it either. And since they showed the Klingons as we knew them in TNG BEFORE that, it does maintain that, as Rodenberry said, they always looked like that. It could be that the Klingons we saw in TOS were just part of the population that were affected by the Augment Virus, which was taken care of by the time of TMP. Rodenberry's line is pretty much just handwaving it away. DS9 poked fun at it, and ENT gave us a plausible explanation while maintaining the Klingon appearance we knew since TNG.

Remember we never saw more than one group of Klingons at a time in TOS. It was generally always a single ship's crew. So you can't really judge an entire population based on that.

angrytarg wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

But it didn't. The first ship with Warp Drive in TOS was the Bonaventure, the Phoenix was another retcon.

Good catch. That leaves two possibilities in-lore:

The Phoenix was a prototype that was basically meant to only fire up the engine for one second and then burn out, leaving only the signature to be found by the Vulcans (Ex-Astris' interpretation) and the Bonaventure was the first "real" warp ship or the Borg incursion causes an instant diversion of the timeline, leading somehow to the use of another ship, meaning that prior to FC there never was a phoenix that was launched from a missile silo.

Retcons are always messy things. They can work when they don't stir up too much anomalies - for isntance, the Phoenix can logically be placed in the timeline as a first testbed. That doesn't really break anything as the Bonaventure could still be the first warp ship with a real crew and destination. Other retcons, however, really break stuff like FC's claim of the Borg Queen being around "The best of both worlds" which casually invalidates the whole point of the episode and contradicts the Borg's prior characterization.

We also have to consider that in TOS, there were only 12 full size starships like Enterprise to cover the entire Federation, and we NEVER saw any other classes. A 12 ship fleet is just too small to protect anything. Its only when we go into the B-Canon materials and the TMP era movies that we see a larger fleet. Bonaventure may have been a testbed for a production model warp drive that would see use on more advanced ships. Phoenix was a proof of concept.

As to the Borg... eh... lack of intel maybe? I don't know.

mhall85 · August 2015

artan42 wrote: »

angrytarg wrote: »

In TOS and TNG etc. the flight of the Phoenix happened "normally" without intervention.

But it didn't. The first ship with Warp Drive in TOS was the Bonaventure, the Phoenix was another retcon.

Damn you, Brannon Braga... can't you get anything right?!

Ron Moore takes a little on the chin for this, too... I never realized this ship even existed. According to Memory Alpha, the Bonaventure was mentioned/shown in the background on DS9, but was removed from existence once the Phoenix was created.

artan42 · August 2015

The Bonaventure is in TAS.

mhall85 · August 2015

artan42 wrote: »

The Bonaventure is in TAS.

Yes, I see that... the Bonaventure seen in DS9 was likely an attempt to pay homage to it. But, from what I can tell, the Bonaventure from DS9 was what became the Phoenix, and the one from TAS was the first "starship" with warp capability.

Enterprise Season 5 ?!?!?!?

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