Ya know, sometimes I am an amazingly obstuse doofus. It never occurred to me to go to the Promotions Tab in the Z Store. I went there to see what today's free giveaway was and guess what was waiting on me when I got there?
So now I have a free T6 ship. Okay, now what?
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
Many of the people replying to this thread, and the one on reddit. Got any other really easy questions you want me to asnwer?
Sooo missing the point.
Nope; I got the point. I am simply showing you that your personal circumstances do not apply to everyone else.
They will soon enough. They keep bringing out new ships, and at some point people will start hitting their ship limit. Maybe not today, yet, but it's an inevitability. Just because it hasn't happened to ppl yet, doesn't mean they shouldn't look ahead a bit, and start to worry.
I'm sorry but that only happens to the people dumb enough to buy into the system which, again, is personal circumstance just as thegrandnagus1 said.
Now in regards to this "promotion" if you will, assuming it's legit, I would like to know the pre-qualifications or prerequisites the people responsible for this promo is going on because I, like many others, feel disappointed and excluded. I may not be LTS but I have put a small fortune into this game and have been playing for about 2 years (excluding Delta Rising on... that's when I took my hiatus) and feel, once again, that my contribution (although already rendered obsolete by Delta Rising) is/was meaningless. With that being said I hope this is a sham and if it's not well you already know how I feel and I won't be surprised in the slightest but, instead, will feel disappointed which will encourage my deep-seeded doubt I have with those running this game.
Tho at this point I honestly just feel sorry for Trendy... not told about this apparently and gonna have to field all of the flack for it.
I hope you're wrong on that, but I have a feeling you're not.
Shame, because as you said.. it had nothing to do with her at all. Somebody in the Marketing Department probably just sent this out without giving it a second thought, I doubt any of the Devs that post on this forum were involved in any way shape or form.
Reacquisition campaigns are a pretty common marketing tactic that relates to the strategy of retention. This happens across all types of products, from magazines offering you X issues for free to come back, reduced rate on cable bills for X months, etc. etc. etc. The opportunity cost for these players was X amount of time of not playing STO vs. our opp cost of playing (all the free ships/ rewards we got from events that they'll never get, free spec points from ep replays - prob more than 10, the fun in-game, further progression vs. not playing, etc.). Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as those of you who think it's evil are making it out to be.
Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as those of you who think it's evil are making it out to be.
I admit there is no need to rage against Cryptic for this, but the wording of the email *is* bad. If this is actually a reward for "support", then it should be for everyone who supports the game. They should have left that wording out and simply invited people back to get something free.
Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as you're all making it out to be.
We're all not doing that, so please don't say we are. And while there is no need to rage against Cryptic for this, the wording of the email *is* bad. If this is actually a reward for "support", then it should be for everyone who supports the game. They should have left that wording out and simply invited people back to get something free.
^^^ This is true and again, assuming this is legit, I will not accept a backsies on account of their wording. I think that would just make matters worse.
Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as you're all making it out to be.
We're all not doing that, so please don't say we are. And while there is no need to rage against Cryptic for this, the wording of the email *is* bad. If this is actually a reward for "support", then it should be for everyone who supports the game. They should have left that wording out and simply invited people back to get something free.
^^^ This is true and again, assuming this is legit, I will not accept a backsies on account of their wording. I think that would just make matters worse.
There is no "if" about this being legit, Trendy has confirmed it. See the OP for the tweets.
Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as you're all making it out to be.
We're all not doing that, so please don't say we are.
Semantics, sorry. Meant: You're all, implying those who ARE equating it to evilness. Edited.
Understood, and edited my post with a different thought.
If you want to reaquire, you've got to use exciting language. I don't think it's false, assuming positive intent with the target audience and the criteria needed to be sent the email (we don't know).
@seaofsorrows touched on something I meant to include -- reacquiring lapsed players is only a win for everyone, as more players playing can help towards a longer lifespan.
Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as you're all making it out to be.
We're all not doing that, so please don't say we are. And while there is no need to rage against Cryptic for this, the wording of the email *is* bad. If this is actually a reward for "support", then it should be for everyone who supports the game. They should have left that wording out and simply invited people back to get something free.
^^^ This is true and again, assuming this is legit, I will not accept a backsies on account of their wording. I think that would just make matters worse.
There is no "if" about this being legit, Trendy has confirmed it. See the OP for the tweets.
Please keep in mind I intentionally said "if" to provide the opportunity for Cryptic/PWE to rescind or deny the email/promo on the case of falsehood. However, if they will maintain that the email/promo is legit than I think it is only fair that those applicable be provided the same opportunity to claim this reward. Now with the wording being as it is I believe, as you mentioned before, that those who have supported the game (preferably monetary-wise), be the ones applicable to this promotional reward. In addition, this gesture might give a greater turn-out than intended.
@seaofsorrows touched on something I meant to include -- reacquiring lapsed players is only a win for everyone, as more players playing can help towards a longer lifespan.
Also, "support" depends on the metric being used to see how the lapsed player contributed. If it's a KPI towards number of accounts, they supported in that. Or, maybe if they spent money in the past. "Veteran" is also a term that really only the company can decide on and who it applies to. The wording was intentional, but I don't see any foul knowing what we know (or really, what we don't know).
Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as you're all making it out to be.
We're all not doing that, so please don't say we are.
Semantics, sorry. Meant: You're all, implying those who ARE equating it to evilness. Edited.
Understood, and edited my post with a different thought.
If you want to reaquire, you've got to use exciting language. I don't think it's false, assuming positive intent with the target audience and the criteria needed to be sent the email (we don't know).
I didn't say it was false, it said it was bad wording. Everyone who plays is supporting the game, so emailing people who don't currently play and giving them a reward that you specifically state is to thank them for their support implies their support is worth more than the people who aren't getting the reward. Look, I agree this does not warrant "rage". But it was still bad wording, and shouldn't have been there.
Reacquisition campaigns are a pretty common marketing tactic that relates to the strategy of retention. This happens across all types of products, from magazines offering you X issues for free to come back, reduced rate on cable bills for X months, etc. etc. etc. The opportunity cost for these players was X amount of time of not playing STO vs. our opp cost of playing (all the free ships/ rewards we got from events that they'll never get, free spec points from ep replays - prob more than 10, the fun in-game, further progression vs. not playing, etc.). Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as those of you who think it's evil are making it out to be.
Hmmm, who ordered the BranFlakes Surprise? Nice to see you back, Big Guy. We've missed you.
I am F2P. Although I have spent more than I should have over the years on this game. There are many players of this game who have gotten things I will never have a chance to acquire. Because for various reasons, I have not met the requirements for (drum roll...ching!) "The Shiny Of The Week!"
Big deal. They have something I do not. I could pour out a bunch of overwrought hyperbolic venomous pixelated vitriol about how unfair Life is to everyone and to me in particular.
Or,
I could simply play STO.
Seriously, all of you who have BugShips, I am genuinely envious you have one of the most overpowered ships in STO which is more than capable of tackling any mission or STF. Some of you have the freebies which were offered in the packaged versions of the game which I cannot get. I can sit here and fume about it,
Or,
I could simply play STO.
Now, which one do you suppose is more fun?
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
Reacquisition campaigns are a pretty common marketing tactic that relates to the strategy of retention. This happens across all types of products, from magazines offering you X issues for free to come back, reduced rate on cable bills for X months, etc. etc. etc. The opportunity cost for these players was X amount of time of not playing STO vs. our opp cost of playing (all the free ships/ rewards we got from events that they'll never get, free spec points from ep replays - prob more than 10, the fun in-game, further progression vs. not playing, etc.). Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as those of you who think it's evil are making it out to be.
Hmmm, who ordered the BranFlakes Surprise? Nice to see you back, Big Guy. We've missed you.
I am F2P. Although I have spent more than I should have over the years on this game. There are many players of this game who have gotten things I will never have a chance to acquire. Because for various reasons, I have not met the requirements for (drum roll...ching!) "The Shiny Of The Week!"
Big deal. They have something I do not. I could pour out a bunch of overwrought hyperbolic venomous pixelated vitriol about how unfair Life is to everyone and to me in particular.
Or,
I could simply play STO.
Seriously, all of you who have BugShips, I am genuinely envious you have one of the most overpowered ships in STO which is more than capable of tackling any mission or STF. Some of you have the freebies which were offered in the packaged versions of the game which I cannot get. I can sit here and fume about it,
Or,
I could simply play STO.
Now, which one do you suppose is more fun?
Hehe that's like picking between activism and BOHICA.... that being said I think the proper choice is apparent but I agree with your sentiment.
Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as you're all making it out to be.
We're all not doing that, so please don't say we are.
Semantics, sorry. Meant: You're all, implying those who ARE equating it to evilness. Edited.
Understood, and edited my post with a different thought.
If you want to reaquire, you've got to use exciting language. I don't think it's false, assuming positive intent with the target audience and the criteria needed to be sent the email (we don't know).
I didn't say it was false, it said it was bad wording. Everyone who plays is supporting the game, so emailing people who don't currently play and giving them a reward that you specifically state is to thank them for their support implies their support is worth more than the people who aren't getting the reward. Look, I agree this does not warrant "rage". But it was still bad wording, and shouldn't have been there.
Not sure I was saying you said it was false, I was just stating what I thought. But I disagree -- IMO, the wording is fine, and is just thanking them for their support (again, the output of the support is dependent on the metric being supported). It doesn't convey, to me anyways, that their support is worth more. IMO, they are just thanking them for their support -- reading into the implication in a certain way is your own bias/ opinion, and you're of course entitled to that.
Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as you're all making it out to be.
We're all not doing that, so please don't say we are.
Semantics, sorry. Meant: You're all, implying those who ARE equating it to evilness. Edited.
Understood, and edited my post with a different thought.
If you want to reaquire, you've got to use exciting language. I don't think it's false, assuming positive intent with the target audience and the criteria needed to be sent the email (we don't know).
I didn't say it was false, it said it was bad wording. Everyone who plays is supporting the game, so emailing people who don't currently play and giving them a reward that you specifically state is to thank them for their support implies their support is worth more than the people who aren't getting the reward. Look, I agree this does not warrant "rage". But it was still bad wording, and shouldn't have been there.
Not sure I was saying you said it was false, I was just stating what I thought. But I disagree -- IMO, the wording is fine, and is just thanking them for their support (again, the output of the support is dependent on the metric being supported). It doesn't convey, to me anyways, that their support is worth more. IMO, they are just thanking them for their support -- reading into the implication in a certain way is your own bias/ opinion, and you're of course entitled to that.
Just so we're clear, you think that the people who got this email have supported(by some metric) the game in a way that the people who did not get the email, have not? Because if there is an actual metric at play here, then I can agree with your point. However if there is not a metric, then the word "support" means nothing.
Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as you're all making it out to be.
We're all not doing that, so please don't say we are.
Semantics, sorry. Meant: You're all, implying those who ARE equating it to evilness. Edited.
Understood, and edited my post with a different thought.
If you want to reaquire, you've got to use exciting language. I don't think it's false, assuming positive intent with the target audience and the criteria needed to be sent the email (we don't know).
I didn't say it was false, it said it was bad wording. Everyone who plays is supporting the game, so emailing people who don't currently play and giving them a reward that you specifically state is to thank them for their support implies their support is worth more than the people who aren't getting the reward. Look, I agree this does not warrant "rage". But it was still bad wording, and shouldn't have been there.
Not sure I was saying you said it was false, I was just stating what I thought. But I disagree -- IMO, the wording is fine, and is just thanking them for their support (again, the output of the support is dependent on the metric being supported). It doesn't convey, to me anyways, that their support is worth more. IMO, they are just thanking them for their support -- reading into the implication in a certain way is your own bias/ opinion, and you're of course entitled to that.
You do know your whole argument boils down to your belief that fairness is subjective and is in no way objective, right? That being said I agree with thegrandnagus and if you are not necessarily bothered one way or another by the email than what exactly are you trying to convey and why are you trying to convey it? I'm not trying to be confrontational but what you are saying is confusing.
Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as you're all making it out to be.
We're all not doing that, so please don't say we are.
Semantics, sorry. Meant: You're all, implying those who ARE equating it to evilness. Edited.
Understood, and edited my post with a different thought.
If you want to reaquire, you've got to use exciting language. I don't think it's false, assuming positive intent with the target audience and the criteria needed to be sent the email (we don't know).
I didn't say it was false, it said it was bad wording. Everyone who plays is supporting the game, so emailing people who don't currently play and giving them a reward that you specifically state is to thank them for their support implies their support is worth more than the people who aren't getting the reward. Look, I agree this does not warrant "rage". But it was still bad wording, and shouldn't have been there.
Not sure I was saying you said it was false, I was just stating what I thought. But I disagree -- IMO, the wording is fine, and is just thanking them for their support (again, the output of the support is dependent on the metric being supported). It doesn't convey, to me anyways, that their support is worth more. IMO, they are just thanking them for their support -- reading into the implication in a certain way is your own bias/ opinion, and you're of course entitled to that.
Just so we're clear, you think that the people who got this email have supported(by some metric) the game in a way that the people who did not get the email, have not?
They are only getting the reward if they come back, so therefore, they are supporting the reacquisition metric (e.g. how many lapsed players have returned in X month via X method -- totally made up, btw, since we don't know the metric they are going after) -- you're not able to support this metric, because you're active. And thus, refer to my opportunity cost example above. If you go lapsed, you'll probably get a similar email in the future, but look at everything you would have missed just to gain whatever reacquisition reward is presented.
Edit: regarding past support as us who are active, we may or may not have contributed to the support metric they have -- it depends on what it was. I'm fairly certain there are still actives who contributed to the same one while they were lapsed, but again, opp cost above.
Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as you're all making it out to be.
We're all not doing that, so please don't say we are.
Semantics, sorry. Meant: You're all, implying those who ARE equating it to evilness. Edited.
Understood, and edited my post with a different thought.
If you want to reaquire, you've got to use exciting language. I don't think it's false, assuming positive intent with the target audience and the criteria needed to be sent the email (we don't know).
I didn't say it was false, it said it was bad wording. Everyone who plays is supporting the game, so emailing people who don't currently play and giving them a reward that you specifically state is to thank them for their support implies their support is worth more than the people who aren't getting the reward. Look, I agree this does not warrant "rage". But it was still bad wording, and shouldn't have been there.
Not sure I was saying you said it was false, I was just stating what I thought. But I disagree -- IMO, the wording is fine, and is just thanking them for their support (again, the output of the support is dependent on the metric being supported). It doesn't convey, to me anyways, that their support is worth more. IMO, they are just thanking them for their support -- reading into the implication in a certain way is your own bias/ opinion, and you're of course entitled to that.
Just so we're clear, you think that the people who got this email have supported(by some metric) the game in a way that the people who did not get the email, have not?
They are only getting the reward if they come back, so therefore, they are supporting the reacquisition metric (e.g. how many lapsed players have returned in X month via X method -- totally made up, btw, since we don't know the metric they are going after) -- you're not able to support this metric, because you're active.
I have to congratulate you; you actually found a metric that people who stopped playing the game can "support" that people who never quit, can't.
Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as you're all making it out to be.
We're all not doing that, so please don't say we are.
Semantics, sorry. Meant: You're all, implying those who ARE equating it to evilness. Edited.
Understood, and edited my post with a different thought.
If you want to reaquire, you've got to use exciting language. I don't think it's false, assuming positive intent with the target audience and the criteria needed to be sent the email (we don't know).
I didn't say it was false, it said it was bad wording. Everyone who plays is supporting the game, so emailing people who don't currently play and giving them a reward that you specifically state is to thank them for their support implies their support is worth more than the people who aren't getting the reward. Look, I agree this does not warrant "rage". But it was still bad wording, and shouldn't have been there.
Not sure I was saying you said it was false, I was just stating what I thought. But I disagree -- IMO, the wording is fine, and is just thanking them for their support (again, the output of the support is dependent on the metric being supported). It doesn't convey, to me anyways, that their support is worth more. IMO, they are just thanking them for their support -- reading into the implication in a certain way is your own bias/ opinion, and you're of course entitled to that.
Just so we're clear, you think that the people who got this email have supported(by some metric) the game in a way that the people who did not get the email, have not?
They are only getting the reward if they come back, so therefore, they are supporting the reacquisition metric (e.g. how many lapsed players have returned in X month via X method -- totally made up, btw, since we don't know the metric they are going after) -- you're not able to support this metric, because you're active. And thus, refer to my opportunity cost example above. If you go lapsed, you'll probably get a similar email in the future, but look at everything you would have missed just to gain whatever reacquisition reward is presented.
Edit: regarding past support as us who are active, we may or may not have contributed to the support metric they have -- it depends on what it was. I'm fairly certain there are still actives who contributed to the same one while they were lapsed, but again, opp cost above.
That would mean the re-acquisition metric is > the metric active players are inherently contributing towards. That still doesn't seem all that fair to me.
Sure, someone else getting free stuff that you don't get sucks, but it's far from as evil as you're all making it out to be.
We're all not doing that, so please don't say we are.
Semantics, sorry. Meant: You're all, implying those who ARE equating it to evilness. Edited.
Understood, and edited my post with a different thought.
If you want to reaquire, you've got to use exciting language. I don't think it's false, assuming positive intent with the target audience and the criteria needed to be sent the email (we don't know).
I didn't say it was false, it said it was bad wording. Everyone who plays is supporting the game, so emailing people who don't currently play and giving them a reward that you specifically state is to thank them for their support implies their support is worth more than the people who aren't getting the reward. Look, I agree this does not warrant "rage". But it was still bad wording, and shouldn't have been there.
Not sure I was saying you said it was false, I was just stating what I thought. But I disagree -- IMO, the wording is fine, and is just thanking them for their support (again, the output of the support is dependent on the metric being supported). It doesn't convey, to me anyways, that their support is worth more. IMO, they are just thanking them for their support -- reading into the implication in a certain way is your own bias/ opinion, and you're of course entitled to that.
Just so we're clear, you think that the people who got this email have supported(by some metric) the game in a way that the people who did not get the email, have not?
They are only getting the reward if they come back, so therefore, they are supporting the reacquisition metric (e.g. how many lapsed players have returned in X month via X method -- totally made up, btw, since we don't know the metric they are going after) -- you're not able to support this metric, because you're active.
I have to congratulate you; you actually found a metric that people who stopped playing the game can "support" that people who never quit, can't.
Some players are always going to leave, and there are a lot of reasons for that, so there will always be a need to focus on reacquisition. It's the cycle of business, my friend
That would mean the re-acquisition metric is > the metric active players are inherently contributing towards. That still doesn't seem all that fair to me.
I don't think that's the case at all. It's an important metric, but IMO I would say length of continuous time active is more important, and is why we're always getting new/repeated events, content, sales, promotions, etc. We hear WAY more about those that we do about these. The goal is to keep us playing, but the fact is, not everyone will, and those that don't sometimes need to be incentivized to comeback, and then hopefully they'll stick around if re-engaged.
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So now I have a free T6 ship. Okay, now what?
I'm sorry but that only happens to the people dumb enough to buy into the system which, again, is personal circumstance just as thegrandnagus1 said.
Now in regards to this "promotion" if you will, assuming it's legit, I would like to know the pre-qualifications or prerequisites the people responsible for this promo is going on because I, like many others, feel disappointed and excluded. I may not be LTS but I have put a small fortune into this game and have been playing for about 2 years (excluding Delta Rising on... that's when I took my hiatus) and feel, once again, that my contribution (although already rendered obsolete by Delta Rising) is/was meaningless. With that being said I hope this is a sham and if it's not well you already know how I feel and I won't be surprised in the slightest but, instead, will feel disappointed which will encourage my deep-seeded doubt I have with those running this game.
Tho at this point I honestly just feel sorry for Trendy... not told about this apparently and gonna have to field all of the flak for it.
I hope you're wrong on that, but I have a feeling you're not.
Shame, because as you said.. it had nothing to do with her at all. Somebody in the Marketing Department probably just sent this out without giving it a second thought, I doubt any of the Devs that post on this forum were involved in any way shape or form.
I admit there is no need to rage against Cryptic for this, but the wording of the email *is* bad. If this is actually a reward for "support", then it should be for everyone who supports the game. They should have left that wording out and simply invited people back to get something free.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I agree, it's a tiny bit annoying, but I really don't care all that much. If it gets people to come back and keeps the game going, then fine.
^^^ This is true and again, assuming this is legit, I will not accept a backsies on account of their wording. I think that would just make matters worse.
Understood, and edited my post with a different thought.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
There is no "if" about this being legit, Trendy has confirmed it. See the OP for the tweets.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
@seaofsorrows touched on something I meant to include -- reacquiring lapsed players is only a win for everyone, as more players playing can help towards a longer lifespan.
Please keep in mind I intentionally said "if" to provide the opportunity for Cryptic/PWE to rescind or deny the email/promo on the case of falsehood. However, if they will maintain that the email/promo is legit than I think it is only fair that those applicable be provided the same opportunity to claim this reward. Now with the wording being as it is I believe, as you mentioned before, that those who have supported the game (preferably monetary-wise), be the ones applicable to this promotional reward. In addition, this gesture might give a greater turn-out than intended.
Glass Half Full!
I didn't say it was false, it said it was bad wording. Everyone who plays is supporting the game, so emailing people who don't currently play and giving them a reward that you specifically state is to thank them for their support implies their support is worth more than the people who aren't getting the reward. Look, I agree this does not warrant "rage". But it was still bad wording, and shouldn't have been there.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Hmmm, who ordered the BranFlakes Surprise? Nice to see you back, Big Guy. We've missed you.
I am F2P. Although I have spent more than I should have over the years on this game. There are many players of this game who have gotten things I will never have a chance to acquire. Because for various reasons, I have not met the requirements for (drum roll...ching!) "The Shiny Of The Week!"
Big deal. They have something I do not. I could pour out a bunch of overwrought hyperbolic venomous pixelated vitriol about how unfair Life is to everyone and to me in particular.
Or,
I could simply play STO.
Seriously, all of you who have BugShips, I am genuinely envious you have one of the most overpowered ships in STO which is more than capable of tackling any mission or STF. Some of you have the freebies which were offered in the packaged versions of the game which I cannot get. I can sit here and fume about it,
Or,
I could simply play STO.
Now, which one do you suppose is more fun?
Just so we're clear, you think that the people who got this email have supported(by some metric) the game in a way that the people who did not get the email, have not? Because if there is an actual metric at play here, then I can agree with your point. However if there is not a metric, then the word "support" means nothing.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
You do know your whole argument boils down to your belief that fairness is subjective and is in no way objective, right? That being said I agree with thegrandnagus and if you are not necessarily bothered one way or another by the email than what exactly are you trying to convey and why are you trying to convey it? I'm not trying to be confrontational but what you are saying is confusing.
Edit: regarding past support as us who are active, we may or may not have contributed to the support metric they have -- it depends on what it was. I'm fairly certain there are still actives who contributed to the same one while they were lapsed, but again, opp cost above.
I have to congratulate you; you actually found a metric that people who stopped playing the game can "support" that people who never quit, can't.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
That would mean the re-acquisition metric is > the metric active players are inherently contributing towards. That still doesn't seem all that fair to me.
I don't think that's the case at all. It's an important metric, but IMO I would say length of continuous time active is more important, and is why we're always getting new/repeated events, content, sales, promotions, etc. We hear WAY more about those that we do about these. The goal is to keep us playing, but the fact is, not everyone will, and those that don't sometimes need to be incentivized to comeback, and then hopefully they'll stick around if re-engaged.