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last episode,man i need break fro this game,stupid iconians.200000 years and still sooo stupid..

I played once this new episode,and never again,for me the worst episode today.cryptic thx for this wonderful new content,no im not go and repeat this episode.year of hell,episode from hell..

this episode is new low for Sto,script is bad,main character are stupid or suicidal.i bet 60% of player base can make better episode,etc.etc.

federation dont care what they gona use,nobody cares what krenim ships will do>>???in star trek,who wrote this s...

i know this is a game but 200000 years is like fight between ant and modern man..species who can teleport cant escape from suicidal squad.wt....f..

if you talking about loosing the war,show some cinematic,which planet,sector is under attack..are they close to earth,is kronos burning..jesus guys.this is just bad ,bad storytelling..

So many holes in this ep..

Game is gone to hell.for real,i dont care for new ships,i got too many anyway.

But all this is product of profit rising.and we players...... it.:D





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  • shevetshevet Member Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    "I am M'Tara, immortal godlike ruler of the Iconians! I am a super-genius with near-magical levels of technology!"

    "What's this? I am under attack? Some insignificant creature is shutting down the power systems on my dreadnought?"

    "I cannot disintegrate them with a wave of my hand! (Memo: check warranty on disintegrator thing.) And they do not fall when I attack them by more conventional means!"

    "What should I do? My personal energy levels are falling!"

    "Should I open more gateways, fill the ship with an overwhelming number of Heralds, bringing my enemies down by sheer weight of numbers? It's not like we haven't got numbers."

    "Should I open a gateway to interstellar space, sucking all the air out of the deck they're in? See how you like breathing vacuum, Starfleet."

    "I can still contact my fellow Iconians! Should I send a message to them? 'T'Ket! Come to me! And bring the jump leads!'"

    "Should I simply send a couple of tech guys to reconnect the power systems they've already fiddled with? (OK, it's time and a half at weekends, but still....)"

    "They are approaching the last junction room! Should I take security precautions, such as, I dunno, locking the doors or something?"

    "For that matter, is there any particular reason I'm still on this dreadnought anyway? I can still gate myself about, and we've got, like, several billion ships."

    "No! All these plans are unworthy of my godlike intelligence! Clearly, the thing to do here is - carry on doing exactly what didn't work last time I tried it!"

    .... Jeepers. All this time building up the Iconians as the ultimate threat, the master manipulators behind every menace... now, we have met them, and they are idiots. Do we even need to worry about this Krenim temporal weapon? The remaining Iconians are bound to run with scissors sooner or later, and nature will take its course.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    Perhaps you'd care to send a script to Cryptic to use, I'm sure your demonstrably superior writing skills would see them sign you up in a heartbeat.

    That is a prime example of a strawman if I ever saw one. I don't need to be Ian Thorpe in order to know that someone doesn't know how to swim. I don't need to be a professional chef in order to know that a meal sucks.
    The bare-bone fact is that the quality of writing for the new episode is questionable at best, as pointed out in the numerous negative feedback it has received since it was launched.
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  • rickdankorickdanko Member Posts: 470 Arc User
    Yeah, the whole "Can you do better?" argument is kinda lame.
    They're not really gone, as long as we remember them
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    Stupidity is like fine wine, it gets stronger with age. Well, sometimes.

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • grayfoxjamesgrayfoxjames Member Posts: 1,516 Arc User
    I'm still debating how I feel about the episode and the story arc. I'll love this game either way I feel about this particular episode but I can say for sure is remember and simply keep in mind that:

    "It is easier to criticize than to create."
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  • rakija879rakija879 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    I must say the ep was nothing special E-. And yes, the iconian seems to be stupid.
    I'm more a boss with my pulsewave than this divine being . :*:*:*
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  • shevetshevet Member Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    Incidentally, I will pass along a proposed solution for the whole Iconian problem. It's not a very Starfleet sort of solution, so I'll hand over to the person whose idea it is, Dahar Master "unusually articulate for a Ferasan" Rrueo of the KDF:-

    We haz Krenim temporal hiding-things gizmo nao, yes? Iconianz an heraldz no can c us wen we use dis. So, we folo Iconianz in2 Herald sfee sphaea big round ting, an we taeks wid uz big doomsday wepn, like mayb trilithium warhed or Federation entirely peaceful Genesis Device. We taeks dis 2 central sun ov big round ting, set timr, go back aout, waet 4 timer 2 caount daown, big bang, baibai heraldz. Maybe we no get aksual Iconianz, but who kairs? Dey no gots huge spaes armada any moars, iz not enuff ov dem 2 conker galaxy by demselvez, we set fat Klingonz on dem if dey try. Iz eazy plan, much saefer den messin wid timelinez. Kitteh wil du it 4 u if Fedz are 2 wimpy. Kitteh wil blow up big round ting an b back in tiem 4 tea.

    OK. Apart from the actual, y'know, ethics of genocide (and my own ethics get a bit flexible if it's coming down to them or me)... anyone see a practical problem with bad kitty's idea? We can enter the sphere, we can conceal ourselves from the Iconians, we have a whole bunch of sun-destroying weapons that will, in some cases, fit inside a handy knapsack. Where's the problem?
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  • tolmariustolmarius Member Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    I actually enjoyed the mission. The beginning with the fleet assembled was great for me (who spent 20 minutes grinding against the map edge to identify the ships), the space combat was not overly long or repetitive, and the ground combat was challenging. As for the writing, my main issue is that it seems like an attempt to make the war seem more real to us. Like an annoyance charged reaction to all the "This Doesn't Feel Like A War" threads.

    For me, M'Tara's reactions are mostly in character. "A God Am I" is a core Iconian schtick, so she likely completely dismissed the possibility of these insects hurting her. By the time they were on the last junctions, her arrogance had cost her that battle and her life. By the point where she was dying, she didn't have the energy left to flood the room with heralds (Recall that she was powering the whole ship to keep it together. Perhaps the link couldn't be severed.) My real issue was with her hammy voice acting in this one ( Now I understand why Hakeev was so devoted to her. Birds of a feather.) and the part after her death, when the normall y analytical L'Mirien, after watching HaM'Tara die due to the same stupidity she chastised T'Ket for, immediately crawls up T'Kets butt and declares "BLOOD!!! DEATH!!!! KILL!!!"
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  • kittyflofykittyflofy Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Yup, the writting is getting ridiculous for moments. But its good to see that even the Heralds have sense of humor (i will kill all of you.... i will destroy you.. i dunno how many times they will say that and actually do it). lol

    And as the op was trying to say, if the Heralds are so powerful.. wtf.. seriously, the entire Iconian war has no sense at all. You cryptic better hire an actual writter lol.

    BTW, when did the heralds overrun the starfleet and their allies??? god, so, it turns out before this update there was not war at all (it looked like that) and now, suddenly after 1 single episode, the starfleet and their allies suffered "a lot of casualties and civilian loses are everywhere" i dont get it lol.. we missed so many episodes in between xD.

    And btw, mix a terrible dialogue and writting with one of the most tedious episodes ever created and the result cant be good..
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  • rakija879rakija879 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Really, imagine if they made a genuine star trek series based on the inconian story arc with this kind of writing. What kind of ratings would it have?
  • puttenhamputtenham Member Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    the problem i have with most episodic missions, is they feel like they were written by a 3rd grader..

    seriously, i played this mission, than my nephews came over, and they were playing avengers, and the dialogue sounded much like the dialogue in this game..

    when i hear an iconian threaten to destroy me over and over and over again, its very childish. not to mention, the writing is very horrible..

    NOg... " i think i have a theory, but i need more data to work with" (or something along those lines) ummm wtf was that.. do the writers know what a theory is? if im working on my car, and my buddies and i are stumped but i have an idea of what might be wrong, i discuss the theory, so we can work it into a solution.. i dont say, well i guys, i think i know whats wrong, but let me think about it for 20 minutes and then ill let you know...

    i also dont like how they write us as admirals (cause we should be captains lol) but as an admiral, i continualy have lesser ranking officers telling me what to do, and not even doing it with the proper respect.. if im an admiral, and captain nog, or captain paris need my help. i would fully expect to hear them say things like "SIR" . "WIth all do respect" "Please" ... "thank you"

    i get that we need these characters to give us something to do, but honestly cryptic, you need to write in the fashion of the show.. when is the last time you heard riker tell picard to do something without addressing him properly, and asking properly? when i play other games, they all write in the fashion of the world they are emulating. being ex navy that pushes me over the limit lol..

    there is more, but these are a few examples.. i know everyone hates when i write books on the forums lol..

  • trekpuppytrekpuppy Member Posts: 446 Arc User
    May I chip in here and say that a couple of TRIBBLE Klingons would've made it much better. ;)
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  • robyvisionrobyvision Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    At least they could filter out the cliche one liners out of the dialogue.
    Star Trek never had the best special effects, but at least it had good story-dialog that you could relate to and watch over again without problem.
  • bernatkbernatk Member Posts: 1,089 Bug Hunter
    I played once this new episode,and never again,for me the worst episode today.cryptic thx for this wonderful new content,no im not go and repeat this episode.year of hell,episode from hell..

    this episode is new low for Sto,script is bad,main character are stupid or suicidal.i bet 60% of player base can make better episode,etc.etc.

    federation dont care what they gona use,nobody cares what krenim ships will do>>???in star trek,who wrote this s...

    i know this is a game but 200000 years is like fight between ant and modern man..species who can teleport cant escape from suicidal squad.wt....f..

    if you talking about loosing the war,show some cinematic,which planet,sector is under attack..are they close to earth,is kronos burning..jesus guys.this is just bad ,bad storytelling..

    So many holes in this ep..

    Game is gone to hell.for real,i dont care for new ships,i got too many anyway.

    But all this is product of profit rising.and we players...... it.:D

    That's because Suicide squad is always winning...
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    You know an Iconian dying because of what I see every Johnny with a superiority complex does in an online FPS strikes me as rather good writing. Its a genuine reaction born from an established point of view which removes the need, in this case, to invent some plot canceling device or kryptonite analog to overcome Iconian technology.

    Put it this way: either she TRIBBLE up and we take advantage of it, or we reroute narrative convenience through the main deflector to create from nothing at all an arbitrary win condition. I'll take the one that actually works from a narrative point of view. Of course that leaves the Iconian of course not doing the right thing, but...you guys do know that she's the doomed-to-fail villain? Right?
    robyvision wrote: »
    At least they could filter out the cliche one liners out of the dialogue.
    Star Trek never had the best special effects, but at least it had good story-dialog that you could relate to and watch over again without problem.

    ...Have you seen Stark Trek before?

    "Time to take out the garbage"
    -Janeway

    "Assimilate this."
    -Worf

    "Resistance is futile."
    -Borg


    Cheap one liners are the series bread and butter (it helps counterbalance the heavy-handed dialog.)
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  • shevetshevet Member Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    It's quite some superiority complex - the Iconians did not just lose one fight, 200,000 years ago - they were near as dammit wiped out as a species, their empire destroyed, their homeworld reduced to a useless wasteland that is uninhabitable by them to this day. And M'Tara was there, she remembers all this... but did not, apparently, take the trouble to learn from it.

    :: shrugs :: Anyway. I don't derive any particular satisfaction from seeing my character win a fight with a certifiable nitwit. A fight which has no challenge means a victory with no glory.
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  • robyvisionrobyvision Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    You know an Iconian dying because of what I see every Johnny with a superiority complex does in an online FPS strikes me as rather good writing. Its a genuine reaction born from an established point of view which removes the need, in this case, to invent some plot canceling device or kryptonite analog to overcome Iconian technology.

    Put it this way: either she TRIBBLE up and we take advantage of it, or we reroute narrative convenience through the main deflector to create from nothing at all an arbitrary win condition. I'll take the one that actually works from a narrative point of view. Of course that leaves the Iconian of course not doing the right thing, but...you guys do know that she's the doomed-to-fail villain? Right?
    robyvision wrote: »
    At least they could filter out the cliche one liners out of the dialogue.
    Star Trek never had the best special effects, but at least it had good story-dialog that you could relate to and watch over again without problem.

    ...Have you seen Stark Trek before?

    "Time to take out the garbage"
    -Janeway

    "Assimilate this."
    -Worf

    "Resistance is futile."
    -Borg


    Cheap one liners are the series bread and butter (it helps counterbalance the heavy-handed dialog.)

    I did watch a ep, or 2 of ST, but nevermind that. Just reed the iconians trash-talking one liners and you'll see what I mean.
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    shevet wrote: »
    Incidentally, I will pass along a proposed solution for the whole Iconian problem. It's not a very Starfleet sort of solution, so I'll hand over to the person whose idea it is, Dahar Master "unusually articulate for a Ferasan" Rrueo of the KDF:-

    We haz Krenim temporal hiding-things gizmo nao, yes? Iconianz an heraldz no can c us wen we use dis. So, we folo Iconianz in2 Herald sfee sphaea big round ting, an we taeks wid uz big doomsday wepn, like mayb trilithium warhed or Federation entirely peaceful Genesis Device. We taeks dis 2 central sun ov big round ting, set timr, go back aout, waet 4 timer 2 caount daown, big bang, baibai heraldz. Maybe we no get aksual Iconianz, but who kairs? Dey no gots huge spaes armada any moars, iz not enuff ov dem 2 conker galaxy by demselvez, we set fat Klingonz on dem if dey try. Iz eazy plan, much saefer den messin wid timelinez. Kitteh wil du it 4 u if Fedz are 2 wimpy. Kitteh wil blow up big round ting an b back in tiem 4 tea.

    OK. Apart from the actual, y'know, ethics of genocide (and my own ethics get a bit flexible if it's coming down to them or me)... anyone see a practical problem with bad kitty's idea? We can enter the sphere, we can conceal ourselves from the Iconians, we have a whole bunch of sun-destroying weapons that will, in some cases, fit inside a handy knapsack. Where's the problem?

    +1 and then some.
  • supergirl1611supergirl1611 Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    Yeah fight was rather stupid in x amount of years i have never been forced to retreat from an opponent. So this should tell the Iconian to take you seriously, but she just keeps doing whats caused her to have to retreat in the 1st place.

    Even the NPC's are made to grind and repeat content in this game.

    Overall i thought the new mission was average. Alliance is losing this war nothing epic about the assault in space or ground. No feeling of its them or us, no feeling of the scale of the conflict through the whole arc.

    Very lacklustre.
  • kirimuffinkirimuffin Member Posts: 695 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    To me, it felt like this entire episode was just stalling for time.

    Like. We all know where this is going. We know we're gonna either escort or fly the timeship into one final battle where we somehow prevent the Iconians from ever invading our territories in the first place. But apparently Cryptic isn't prepared to actually show us that yet, so they threw this together as filler. I know that's not what actually happened (because they specifically recorded celebrity VO for this mission), but that's what it feels like. I mean, why else would this episode be necessary? What new story point was it supposed to reveal? We already knew that the Iconians could be injured, and that, by extrapolation, they could be killed. We knew that things were desperate and the Alliance could lose the war Any Day Now, even if that hasn't actually been represented all that well in-game. What did this episode add, apart from the idea that our adversaries are just entirely clueless as to how to actually wage war?

    And the whole idea of a fleet-wide Hail Mary attack against the sphere just came out of nowhere and didn't make any sense, especially since it didn't even work, so we're now in an even more desperate position than we started. I mean, is Captain Kagran an Undine? Because that would explain it, I guess. (Though it doesn't explain why literally no one thought to question his pointless and foolhardy plan.)

    It doesn't help that the bulk of the maps in this mission are just copied and pasted from other places in the game (and even the flagship interior map makes a little too much use of prefabs from the Kahless mission), making the mission feel even more like just meaningless filler.
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  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    puttenham wrote: »
    the problem i have with most episodic missions, is they feel like they were written by a 3rd grader..

    seriously, i played this mission, than my nephews came over, and they were playing avengers, and the dialogue sounded much like the dialogue in this game..

    when i hear an iconian threaten to destroy me over and over and over again, its very childish. not to mention, the writing is very horrible..

    NOg... " i think i have a theory, but i need more data to work with" (or something along those lines) ummm wtf was that.. do the writers know what a theory is? if im working on my car, and my buddies and i are stumped but i have an idea of what might be wrong, i discuss the theory, so we can work it into a solution.. i dont say, well i guys, i think i know whats wrong, but let me think about it for 20 minutes and then ill let you know...

    i also dont like how they write us as admirals (cause we should be captains lol) but as an admiral, i continualy have lesser ranking officers telling me what to do, and not even doing it with the proper respect.. if im an admiral, and captain nog, or captain paris need my help. i would fully expect to hear them say things like "SIR" . "WIth all do respect" "Please" ... "thank you"

    i get that we need these characters to give us something to do, but honestly cryptic, you need to write in the fashion of the show.. when is the last time you heard riker tell picard to do something without addressing him properly, and asking properly? when i play other games, they all write in the fashion of the world they are emulating. being ex navy that pushes me over the limit lol..

    there is more, but these are a few examples.. i know everyone hates when i write books on the forums lol..

    I'll give Nog credit. Let's not give the half-arsed theory in front of the Klingon.

    You know, the Klingon who's deep planning and grand plan came up with "let's throw the entire mothball, reserve, uncommitted, etc. fleets of the entire Beta quadrant at the Iconians" for what, again?

    And his reason?

    Because Klingon strategy seems to revolve around "honorably" wasting your entire population & resource base on the random chance that the enemy will be a bonehead and, you know, snatch a defeat from the jaws of victory. And M'tara did that just perfectly...

    Now we know why the Federation is still the "big dogs" of the Galaxy...​​
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  • guljarolguljarol Member Posts: 980 Arc User
    And why the hell is he in charge anyway!? FLEET ADMIRAL Quinn was standing in the same room just idly chatting away with another NPC in the background. I mean WTH?!

    Not just some random NPC, but ADMIRAL Kererek. ​​
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    I think the Iconians are pretty much like the Founders. Their rule is based on their subject's perception of them as gods. However, unlike the Founders the Iconians have been hitting their own kool-aid.
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  • xayssxayss Member Posts: 391 Arc User
    the most stupid with my last air i summon 2 more iconian to this weak ship out energy !!!!!! we need to beam out , hey duh can you extract energy from the spehere!!!!!!! then when iconian are in ground in surface of a planet from wth they extract energy then????
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