Seriously, you keep releasing one fed ship after another. The only ships romulans and klanks seem to get is when you do three packs. And romulans STILL have no proper science ships, more than a year after they were released!
The Romulans fulfilled their primary purpose-which was to provide Fed fleets with Battlecloakng while not-breaking-the-deal with CBS.
KDF players get to deal with the continuing fallout from the utter failure of the Bortasque to sell. (no, it's probably NOT fair, but life isn't fair), and deal with a Lead Developer whom celebrated no longer having to work on faction-specific material (Unless it's Fed-Faction specific) quite openly.
Both factions have to deal with the failure of the Varanus to sell-nevermind that the Varanus was a ship that wouldn't have sold if it were Fed, being as it was a step DOWN in capability from the Free Deep Space Science vessel Fed players can choose at level 40, but costs money (zen) to obtain.
Not a fair comparison, the DSSV has odd stats for a free ship. the one thing I will give you is that it does have a lower aux bonus than most science ships, but that's 10 instead of 15.
Truthfully, I don't believe anyone who says it didn't sell due to it's stats. Why? because the differences are tiny. Much less significant then the difference between fleet and non-fleet ships.
As for making KDF missions? Since the end of the war in the story there have been NO faction specific missions released whatsoever. Why would you expect to get KDF centric missions when the Feds don't?
what're you jabbering-Every one of those "Faction agnostic" missions is written from a Fed-exclusive point of view. They're all Federation missions. Swapping "General" or "Dahar Master" for "Admiral" doesn't change the character of the mission, nor does adding "Hurr-hurr Honor! Glory!!!" text..
*thinks back to the average mission in game*
*fondly recalls the way his crew shot first and didn't even bother asking questions*
*remembers picking through the corpses and destroyed hulls of countless True Way Dominion, Jem'Hadar, mirror universe soldiers, Borg, Undyne, Tal Shiar, and now Iconians*
*tries to recall resolving a single situation diplomatically*
*remembers that one time he used Ferengi currency to purchase Deferri slaves from a Breen marauder*
*recalls them being annoyed that he lost out on GPL and loot by choosing that option*
I'm sorry, you are dramatically mistaken and the man you oh so maturely accuse of "jabbering" was actually correct. These missions are not written from a Federation perspective anymore than they are from a Klingon perspective. You only think they are written from a "Fed-exclusive point of view" because, for the small number of these missions that haven't been remastered yet, the Federation had access to them first. However, in fact, these missions are generic MMO fare written from the perspective of the average loot and kill adventuring party, and so they fit imperfectly for both sides. But at least you're wrong and obnoxious, and not just wrong and boring. I hate wrong and boring.
Seriously, you keep releasing one fed ship after another. The only ships romulans and klanks seem to get is when you do three packs. And romulans STILL have no proper science ships, more than a year after they were released!
You could say the same thing about every TV Series and Movie also. Fact of the matter is, there has always been more focus on Starfleet/Fed. I think all around Fed is just a bigger organization and has more to it.
I would like to point out that it's "Klinks" not "Klanks."
Klinks are the real players that would like more stuff for their toons but don't whine about it. Klanks are, as evidently shown here, the entitled whiny ones that just troll the forums and spread their bile.
The answer really is simple economics. There are more people who play as Federation characters then the other two groups. As such, thats where the money is and therefor the emphasis.
And yet the problem with that is so blindingly obvious as to be absurd... KDF/Roms have less players and less content and less ships so less is bought and less is developed for them.... then the new player sees less options, less content, less ships, and plays a fed rat which leads to fewer KDF/Rom players which leads to less development which leads to less players, which leads to less development.
Seriously I just found a terrible feacebook-ish star trek game called alien domain, joined a server and guess what? The federation out numbered Klingons so, in addition to the game recommending I play a klink, it gave me an incentive package for doing so.... MIRACULOUS an incentive tool to balance factions *gasp*
I would love for a dev to comeback one day and say, and address to the Community in response to your thread, "why don't YOU love Romulans and Klanks?!" There are not enough people playing those factions to make the resource allocation worth it for more than the odd ship here or there
see above response... but then again I am the miniority... 3 Rom, 1Reman, 1 Gorn, 1 Ferasan.... 1Caitian, 1 Vulcan. And the vulcan still hasnt even finished the cardi arc
The Romulans fulfilled their primary purpose-which was to provide Fed fleets with Battlecloakng while not-breaking-the-deal with CBS.
KDF players get to deal with the continuing fallout from the utter failure of the Bortasque to sell. (no, it's probably NOT fair, but life isn't fair), and deal with a Lead Developer whom celebrated no longer having to work on faction-specific material (Unless it's Fed-Faction specific) quite openly.
Both factions have to deal with the failure of the Varanus to sell-nevermind that the Varanus was a ship that wouldn't have sold if it were Fed, being as it was a step DOWN in capability from the Free Deep Space Science vessel Fed players can choose at level 40, but costs money (zen) to obtain.
I agree with most of this... but I.... I LIKE my Varanus and upgraded to Fleet Varanus. I still fly it from time to time and enjoy my barrier field and my hull repair drones.
Seriously, you keep releasing one fed ship after another. The only ships romulans and klanks seem to get is when you do three packs. And romulans STILL have no proper science ships, more than a year after they were released!
You do know that 75% of charachters are FED's.
This ^^
They've been releasing ships with surprising equality for months now and the one time they don't Rommies and KDF come screaming bloody murder on the forums!
It's my goddamn Excelsior and you can't have it, bad Rommy!
You are very well aware that this is about more than one ship. Removal of the Romulan Survivor DOff Pack without even giving a last chance to buy it when it has always been available for limited times only, replacing it with a DOff Pack that offers only Fed and KDF DOffs, no dedicated RRF carrier, a blatant refusal to make any more KDF Science ships, petulance over the idea of cross-faction armadas which would help out the RRF, and the list goes on and on. This is not about a single ship, but a cumulative effect. And in several threads calling for factional balance, you have behaved in a manner that can be fairly characterized as eager to keep the plebs down so that the status quo which provides your privilege can continue unabated, as well as blatant violations of the ToS in order to insult and mock anyone who dares call for equality.
Use the "profit" excuse all you want; you know that's not the issue. The issue is factional balance. If they're going to even HAVE factions, then they MUST balance them. If they're not going to balance them, it would be more advantageous for all concerned to simply tear down the walls preventing cross-faction activities and connections, and make everything available to everyone.
Not only a new ship but one with share or taken Advanced Transwarp Drive's Do you not think after all this time both the Romanians and Klingon's would not have taken one of these ships out and taken the drive.
As for making KDF missions? Since the end of the war in the story there have been NO faction specific missions released whatsoever. Why would you expect to get KDF centric missions when the Feds don't?
Riddle me this: Why do my KDF and KDF-allied Romulans have an option to lecture Harry Kim on the Prime Directive while on Kobali Prime? The Prime Directive has nothing to do with the Klingon Empire or the New Romulan Republic.
Seriously, you keep releasing one fed ship after another. The only ships romulans and klanks seem to get is when you do three packs. And romulans STILL have no proper science ships, more than a year after they were released!
You could say the same thing about every TV Series and Movie also. Fact of the matter is, there has always been more focus on Starfleet/Fed. I think all around Fed is just a bigger organization and has more to it.
You could, yes. But a story which you observe passively is a far cry from a game in which you take an active role. A game with factions has to balance the factions, or else those factions which are marginalized will necessarily have fewer players and make less money. That's the simple truth of the situation. Now, granted, the STO population will likely always be primarily Fed, but as long as the other factions are treated as second and third class citizens, they are naturally going to be less appealing and therefore less populated and therefore less profitable.
Now also consider that many of us were around before LoR, and back in the day when we had to make a Fed character and level him/her up before even being allowed to make a KDF character, and no RRF characters were available except through the Alien character generator when they were still not RRF but just "Aliens." So if you're going to count populations, consider how often I actually log into my Fed characters. Were it not for the Delta Recruit thing, I would probably be logging into Fed solely to DOff, do R&D, do Rep, and maybe drop some stuff into Fleet holding projects, and spending the majority of my time on my RRF characters. And for the most part, that's exactly what I do. I made one Fed Alien during the Delta Recruit event, and I'm still working on her. I log on my Vulcan only to DOff and do R&D and Rep, and maybe a bit of Fleet contribution. I have two Orions. I don't log on them much, either, but one of those is a DeltAlt and will get more attention than the other for the foreseeable future. But the overwhelming majority of my gaming time is spent on my RRF characters, of which I have six. And the overwhelming amount of the money I have spent in STO has been to benefit my RRF characters. So tell me again about the population of the factions taking these facts into account.
All of the shows have been from the side of the Federation, so there are more ships and information on those ships.
So then the romulans and klingons have less fleshed out content. This causes people to not play the less fleshed out factions. They see that the Federation players seem to get more, and they want that so they play Federation. Devs look at how many players play what factions and allocate preference to the one that has the most customers.
It's a vicious cycle. The federation gets more stuff because it has more players. It has more players because it gets more stuff.
As for making KDF missions? Since the end of the war in the story there have been NO faction specific missions released whatsoever. Why would you expect to get KDF centric missions when the Feds don't?
Riddle me this: Why do my KDF and KDF-allied Romulans have an option to lecture Harry Kim on the Prime Directive while on Kobali Prime? The Prime Directive has nothing to do with the Klingon Empire or the New Romulan Republic.
Because you're trying to influence a Federation engineer who abides by the Prime directive.
When you're older you'll learn the best way to influence others is to appeal to their beliefs and values, rather than attempting to force on them your own.
As for making KDF missions? Since the end of the war in the story there have been NO faction specific missions released whatsoever. Why would you expect to get KDF centric missions when the Feds don't?
Riddle me this: Why do my KDF and KDF-allied Romulans have an option to lecture Harry Kim on the Prime Directive while on Kobali Prime? The Prime Directive has nothing to do with the Klingon Empire or the New Romulan Republic.
lol a very worthy question indeed. I'll also ask why would a Fed-aligned Rom care? In fact in the Romulan arc, Admiral T'nae noted how convenient it was to have a Romulan deal with the Obisek and Hakeev, as he/she swore no oat to uphold it.
Poor example. Every single day, there is a large number (much larger than 3) of Klingon ships to choose from in the zen store. There are also KDF mirror ships. The same 2 facts go for Romulan ships.
And as of this writing, whether through Cryptic Giveaways or actual purchases, I own every "actual" Science vessel in the C-store for the KDF and RR lineup.
Phalanx, Draugas, Varanus, Dyson (9 pack)...
Yep. Bought everything I'm wanting. Waiting for more Science ships to "debate" their eventual purchase (ie, whether I get then and there, or shortly after funding really permits me to shop / zen buildup has me covered...)
The rest of the KDF and RR lineups? Not so intriguing. Therefore, not purchased.
I don't waste my time on cruisers, escorts, pilot ships, whatever that have a "science" moniker on them - not a big big fan of ships that rate Tactical or Engineer Commander, I'm too addicted to Grav Well III, which needs a Sci Cmdr slot...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
As for making KDF missions? Since the end of the war in the story there have been NO faction specific missions released whatsoever. Why would you expect to get KDF centric missions when the Feds don't?
Riddle me this: Why do my KDF and KDF-allied Romulans have an option to lecture Harry Kim on the Prime Directive while on Kobali Prime? The Prime Directive has nothing to do with the Klingon Empire or the New Romulan Republic.
Maybe because you agree with the Prime Directive in principle? Because you want to remind Kim of his duties as Starfleet officer?
If it's an option, you can choose not to take it.
The problem is when you don't get options, but have to behave like a member of a different faction.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
As for making KDF missions? Since the end of the war in the story there have been NO faction specific missions released whatsoever. Why would you expect to get KDF centric missions when the Feds don't?
Riddle me this: Why do my KDF and KDF-allied Romulans have an option to lecture Harry Kim on the Prime Directive while on Kobali Prime? The Prime Directive has nothing to do with the Klingon Empire or the New Romulan Republic.
Maybe because you agree with the Prime Directive in principle? Because you want to remind Kim of his duties as Starfleet officer?
If it's an option, you can choose not to take it.
The problem is when you don't get options, but have to behave like a member of a different faction.
The point is that, for all the pretense of not making faction-specific missions, that bit of optional dialogue sure made the mission smell Fed-specific.
Of course, I could justify it by head canon, claiming that I was calling a Federation Captain on hypocrisy, but the truth is more complex, just as was the situation with the Kobali. It's well and easy to condemn the Kobali when we ourselves do not face a similar predicament, and it's also quite easy to support them simply because an enemy is attacking them. This is ethical grey territory. But for a KDF-allied Romulan to appeal to the Prime Directive simply does not feel right unless it is explicit that the appeal is undertaken with an eye to laying bare the hypocrisy, and that was not the case.
The current FE, Broken Circle, does have a bit of dialogue along those lines, in which the player character challenges the Federation Temporal Agent for what some might see as violating the Temporal Prime Directive over a matter of convenience. That was worded far better, and didn't have any Federation smell to it.
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Truthfully, I don't believe anyone who says it didn't sell due to it's stats. Why? because the differences are tiny. Much less significant then the difference between fleet and non-fleet ships.
As for making KDF missions? Since the end of the war in the story there have been NO faction specific missions released whatsoever. Why would you expect to get KDF centric missions when the Feds don't?
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A far better question, why do people post leading questions in their title that guaranty their thread won't be read or taken seriously?
*thinks back to the average mission in game*
*fondly recalls the way his crew shot first and didn't even bother asking questions*
*remembers picking through the corpses and destroyed hulls of countless True Way Dominion, Jem'Hadar, mirror universe soldiers, Borg, Undyne, Tal Shiar, and now Iconians*
*tries to recall resolving a single situation diplomatically*
*remembers that one time he used Ferengi currency to purchase Deferri slaves from a Breen marauder*
*recalls them being annoyed that he lost out on GPL and loot by choosing that option*
I'm sorry, you are dramatically mistaken and the man you oh so maturely accuse of "jabbering" was actually correct. These missions are not written from a Federation perspective anymore than they are from a Klingon perspective. You only think they are written from a "Fed-exclusive point of view" because, for the small number of these missions that haven't been remastered yet, the Federation had access to them first. However, in fact, these missions are generic MMO fare written from the perspective of the average loot and kill adventuring party, and so they fit imperfectly for both sides. But at least you're wrong and obnoxious, and not just wrong and boring. I hate wrong and boring.
You could say the same thing about every TV Series and Movie also. Fact of the matter is, there has always been more focus on Starfleet/Fed. I think all around Fed is just a bigger organization and has more to it.
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Seriously I just found a terrible feacebook-ish star trek game called alien domain, joined a server and guess what? The federation out numbered Klingons so, in addition to the game recommending I play a klink, it gave me an incentive package for doing so.... MIRACULOUS an incentive tool to balance factions *gasp*
see above response... but then again I am the miniority... 3 Rom, 1Reman, 1 Gorn, 1 Ferasan.... 1Caitian, 1 Vulcan. And the vulcan still hasnt even finished the cardi arc
I agree with most of this... but I.... I LIKE my Varanus and upgraded to Fleet Varanus. I still fly it from time to time and enjoy my barrier field and my hull repair drones.
You are very well aware that this is about more than one ship. Removal of the Romulan Survivor DOff Pack without even giving a last chance to buy it when it has always been available for limited times only, replacing it with a DOff Pack that offers only Fed and KDF DOffs, no dedicated RRF carrier, a blatant refusal to make any more KDF Science ships, petulance over the idea of cross-faction armadas which would help out the RRF, and the list goes on and on. This is not about a single ship, but a cumulative effect. And in several threads calling for factional balance, you have behaved in a manner that can be fairly characterized as eager to keep the plebs down so that the status quo which provides your privilege can continue unabated, as well as blatant violations of the ToS in order to insult and mock anyone who dares call for equality.
Use the "profit" excuse all you want; you know that's not the issue. The issue is factional balance. If they're going to even HAVE factions, then they MUST balance them. If they're not going to balance them, it would be more advantageous for all concerned to simply tear down the walls preventing cross-faction activities and connections, and make everything available to everyone.
Riddle me this: Why do my KDF and KDF-allied Romulans have an option to lecture Harry Kim on the Prime Directive while on Kobali Prime? The Prime Directive has nothing to do with the Klingon Empire or the New Romulan Republic.
You could, yes. But a story which you observe passively is a far cry from a game in which you take an active role. A game with factions has to balance the factions, or else those factions which are marginalized will necessarily have fewer players and make less money. That's the simple truth of the situation. Now, granted, the STO population will likely always be primarily Fed, but as long as the other factions are treated as second and third class citizens, they are naturally going to be less appealing and therefore less populated and therefore less profitable.
Now also consider that many of us were around before LoR, and back in the day when we had to make a Fed character and level him/her up before even being allowed to make a KDF character, and no RRF characters were available except through the Alien character generator when they were still not RRF but just "Aliens." So if you're going to count populations, consider how often I actually log into my Fed characters. Were it not for the Delta Recruit thing, I would probably be logging into Fed solely to DOff, do R&D, do Rep, and maybe drop some stuff into Fleet holding projects, and spending the majority of my time on my RRF characters. And for the most part, that's exactly what I do. I made one Fed Alien during the Delta Recruit event, and I'm still working on her. I log on my Vulcan only to DOff and do R&D and Rep, and maybe a bit of Fleet contribution. I have two Orions. I don't log on them much, either, but one of those is a DeltAlt and will get more attention than the other for the foreseeable future. But the overwhelming majority of my gaming time is spent on my RRF characters, of which I have six. And the overwhelming amount of the money I have spent in STO has been to benefit my RRF characters. So tell me again about the population of the factions taking these facts into account.
So then the romulans and klingons have less fleshed out content. This causes people to not play the less fleshed out factions. They see that the Federation players seem to get more, and they want that so they play Federation. Devs look at how many players play what factions and allocate preference to the one that has the most customers.
It's a vicious cycle. The federation gets more stuff because it has more players. It has more players because it gets more stuff.
Because you're trying to influence a Federation engineer who abides by the Prime directive.
When you're older you'll learn the best way to influence others is to appeal to their beliefs and values, rather than attempting to force on them your own.
lol a very worthy question indeed. I'll also ask why would a Fed-aligned Rom care? In fact in the Romulan arc, Admiral T'nae noted how convenient it was to have a Romulan deal with the Obisek and Hakeev, as he/she swore no oat to uphold it.
And as of this writing, whether through Cryptic Giveaways or actual purchases, I own every "actual" Science vessel in the C-store for the KDF and RR lineup.
Phalanx, Draugas, Varanus, Dyson (9 pack)...
Yep. Bought everything I'm wanting. Waiting for more Science ships to "debate" their eventual purchase (ie, whether I get then and there, or shortly after funding really permits me to shop / zen buildup has me covered...)
The rest of the KDF and RR lineups? Not so intriguing. Therefore, not purchased.
I don't waste my time on cruisers, escorts, pilot ships, whatever that have a "science" moniker on them - not a big big fan of ships that rate Tactical or Engineer Commander, I'm too addicted to Grav Well III, which needs a Sci Cmdr slot...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Maybe because you agree with the Prime Directive in principle? Because you want to remind Kim of his duties as Starfleet officer?
If it's an option, you can choose not to take it.
The problem is when you don't get options, but have to behave like a member of a different faction.
The point is that, for all the pretense of not making faction-specific missions, that bit of optional dialogue sure made the mission smell Fed-specific.
Of course, I could justify it by head canon, claiming that I was calling a Federation Captain on hypocrisy, but the truth is more complex, just as was the situation with the Kobali. It's well and easy to condemn the Kobali when we ourselves do not face a similar predicament, and it's also quite easy to support them simply because an enemy is attacking them. This is ethical grey territory. But for a KDF-allied Romulan to appeal to the Prime Directive simply does not feel right unless it is explicit that the appeal is undertaken with an eye to laying bare the hypocrisy, and that was not the case.
The current FE, Broken Circle, does have a bit of dialogue along those lines, in which the player character challenges the Federation Temporal Agent for what some might see as violating the Temporal Prime Directive over a matter of convenience. That was worded far better, and didn't have any Federation smell to it.