Devs, why do you hate romulans and klanks?

captaintroika

Seriously, you keep releasing one fed ship after another. The only ships romulans and klanks seem to get is when you do three packs. And romulans STILL have no proper science ships, more than a year after they were released!

castsbugc

The answer really is simple economics. There are more people who play as Federation characters then the other two groups. As such, thats where the money is and therefor the emphasis.

nightken

because... they smell funny. no really 3 years playing and that the best I figure. it's not money even cash grab asian grindfest don't TRIBBLE over whole factions. hell last I checked swtor had twice as many imp guilds over rep but the aren't TRIBBLE them over, granted it's been a while and probably changed. though from their history, it seems cryptic just can't get the idea that faction balance matters. from what I've heard they did the same thing to city of heroes/city of villains.


wait really TRIBBLE is censored, I hope I never need to nail anything.


ok cryptic you really to work on your forums censor thing.

mustrumridcully0

castsbugc wrote: »

The answer really is simple economics. There are more people who play as Federation characters then the other two groups. As such, thats where the money is and therefor the emphasis.

No no, it's a secret conspiracy. It's an alien attempt to drive KDF and RR - clearly the smartest and most dangerous people in the world - insane, so that the eventual alien assault will meet little effective resistance.
Then, when the aliens have taken over, they will use the promise of new KDF and RR ships as a way to keep the most dangerous part of the population docile. ​​

tehbubbaloo

vegos make up about 12% of our customers, yet we still have 3 vego meals on the menu and a vego option on the specials menu every night. and these arent virtual items; these are items that go in the bin when they dont sell.

so why do we do it? because that 12% are still our customers, and 100% is better than 88%. even a corporate venue with the tightest browneye in the hemisphere sees that reality for what it is.​​

mustrumridcully0

tehbubbaloo wrote: »

vegos make up about 12% of our customers, yet we still have 3 vego meals on the menu and a vego option on the specials menu every night. and these arent virtual items; these are items that go in the bin when they dont sell.

It's neither a moral choice nor a health choice to make a Fed, Klingon or Romulan character.

so why do we do it? because that 12% are still our customers, and 100% is better than 88%. even a corporate venue with the tightest browneye in the hemisphere sees that reality for what it is.

And that is why apple farms also grow bananas.



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nightken

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

It's neither a moral choice nor a health choice to make a Fed, Klingon or Romulan character.

so why do we do it? because that 12% are still our customers, and 100% is better than 88%. even a corporate venue with the tightest browneye in the hemisphere sees that reality for what it is.

And that is why apple farms also grow bananas.

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actually if their smart a farm does grow different things at different times to keep the soil from getting depleted.

tehbubbaloo

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

tehbubbaloo wrote: »

vegos make up about 12% of our customers, yet we still have 3 vego meals on the menu and a vego option on the specials menu every night. and these arent virtual items; these are items that go in the bin when they dont sell.

It's neither a moral choice nor a health choice to make a Fed, Klingon or Romulan character.

so why do we do it? because that 12% are still our customers, and 100% is better than 88%. even a corporate venue with the tightest browneye in the hemisphere sees that reality for what it is.

And that is why apple farms also grow bananas.

bit it is a choice. and any restaurant that used cryptics logic would have zero vego meals on the menu and would likely serve nothing but the most popular and effortless items. they might even streamline it to the point they served nothing but parmas and chips. not surprisingly, their accounting would suggest that 'these are the greatest parmas ever, and the diners love them'. nevermind the 50% that dont bother coming anymore.
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mustrumridcully0

tehbubbaloo wrote: »

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

tehbubbaloo wrote: »

vegos make up about 12% of our customers, yet we still have 3 vego meals on the menu and a vego option on the specials menu every night. and these arent virtual items; these are items that go in the bin when they dont sell.

It's neither a moral choice nor a health choice to make a Fed, Klingon or Romulan character.

so why do we do it? because that 12% are still our customers, and 100% is better than 88%. even a corporate venue with the tightest browneye in the hemisphere sees that reality for what it is.

And that is why apple farms also grow bananas.

bit it is a choice. and any restaurant that used cryptics logic would have zero vego meals on the menu and would likely serve nothing but the most popular and effortless items. they might even streamline it to the point they served nothing but parmas and chips. not surprisingly, their accounting would suggest that 'these are the greatest parmas ever, and the diners love them'. nevermind the 50% that dont bother coming anymore.

And it's still a much more serious choice that might need consideration even if it's "suboptimal". But there are actually some steak houses for example (at least in the city I live in) that do not offer vegetarian meals, because their speciality is meat.

But non-vegeteratian meals also contain components that can be used for vegetarian meals, so it is really just a question of mixing the components you already have anyway so that you exclude the undesired one.

Do you want Federation nacelles on your KDF ship? Probably not.


And it doesn't matter whether Cryptic makes a Federation ship or a KDF ship or a Romulan ship or a Krenim ship. They all cost the same to make. But they don't all generate the same amount of money.​​

cookiecrook

I don't think the dev's hate one faction more than another. When that cones townships, that is clearly a different story as the Ambassador serves as a perfect example. From what I have seen from being in a fleet. Most fleet members have multie Fed alts and usually more than double of what they have for Klingon's and Romulan's. Because there are significantly more Federation characters, marketing is focused more towards the largest faction.

medalionemissary

I would love for a dev to comeback one day and say, and address to the Community in response to your thread, "why don't YOU love Romulans and Klanks?!" There are not enough people playing those factions to make the resource allocation worth it for more than the odd ship here or there

kriss257

captaintroika wrote: »

Seriously, you keep releasing one fed ship after another. The only ships romulans and klanks seem to get is when you do three packs. And romulans STILL have no proper science ships, more than a year after they were released!

You do know that 75% of charachters are FED's.

lianthelia

tehbubbaloo wrote: »

vegos make up about 12% of our customers, yet we still have 3 vego meals on the menu and a vego option on the specials menu every night. and these arent virtual items; these are items that go in the bin when they dont sell.

so why do we do it? because that 12% are still our customers, and 100% is better than 88%. even a corporate venue with the tightest browneye in the hemisphere sees that reality for what it is.​​

Two words...Bortasqu' effect.

castsbugc

tehbubbaloo wrote: »

bit it is a choice. and any restaurant that used cryptics logic would have zero vego meals on the menu and would likely serve nothing but the most popular and effortless items. they might even streamline it to the point they served nothing but parmas and chips. not surprisingly, their accounting would suggest that 'these are the greatest parmas ever, and the diners love them'. nevermind the 50% that dont bother coming anymore.
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You make it though sound as though there are no choices whatsoever. Using your restaurant analogy, do they create new 'vego' menu items all the time, or are they static and only occasionally change? Also I would argue that the margin is entirely different on paying restaurant staff vs a game company staff, not to mention materials cost.

lsegn

kriss257 wrote: »

captaintroika wrote: »

Seriously, you keep releasing one fed ship after another. The only ships romulans and klanks seem to get is when you do three packs. And romulans STILL have no proper science ships, more than a year after they were released!

You do know that 75% of charachters are FED's.

This ^^

They've been releasing ships with surprising equality for months now and the one time they don't Rommies and KDF come screaming bloody murder on the forums!

It's my goddamn Excelsior and you can't have it, bad Rommy!

stumpfgobs

The entitlement horde can't be appeased.

If they release a new ship, the thread that accompanies the release gets filled with hateful bile by players that bash said new ship. Despite that, they increased the amount of ships they released and release more ships for the kdf/rom minorities than they are worth (literally) - but that is still not good enough for the entitlement horde, no. They got to get more ships, at the very least the same amount of ships as the majority faction, cryptics losses be damned!
It doesn't even have to make sense, the ships just have to be made, no matter if they stand a chance at being sold or not since devs thrive on trollish posts and hateful language. A salvo of solid insults will pay for any and all ships the entitlement horde might want!
Heck, i might just suggest a ship to them, build specifically for me - that i might buy or not. But they better release it for i'm the only minority that counts and my entitled drivel will feed the devs for year to come!

salazarraze

tehbubbaloo wrote: »

vegos make up about 12% of our customers, yet we still have 3 vego meals on the menu and a vego option on the specials menu every night. and these arent virtual items; these are items that go in the bin when they dont sell.

so why do we do it? because that 12% are still our customers, and 100% is better than 88%. even a corporate venue with the tightest browneye in the hemisphere sees that reality for what it is.​​

Poor example. Every single day, there is a large number (much larger than 3) of Klingon ships to choose from in the zen store. There are also KDF mirror ships. The same 2 facts go for Romulan ships.

questerius

castsbugc wrote: »

The answer really is simple economics. There are more people who play as Federation characters then the other two groups. As such, thats where the money is and therefor the emphasis.

Damn you for making sense and being all logical.
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lsegn

questerius wrote: »

castsbugc wrote: »

The answer really is simple economics. There are more people who play as Federation characters then the other two groups. As such, thats where the money is and therefor the emphasis.

Damn you for making sense and being all logical.
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LOL, so much this ^^

sovereign010

I was always confused as to why the KDF was the last race to get a ship that had both 5 tac consoles and 5 forward guns. As a race so focused on combat surely they'd have been among the first to field such designs. Still, better late than never- the Mat'Ha and its fleet variant don't lack in firepower. And as my main KDF toon wields disruptors, the nose cannon was a formidable addition!

mreeves7a

While I agree with the OP's sentiment, asking such loaded questions is only going to guarantee that a Dev never comments here...

dakkalvar1

Romulan Sci Ships will stink considering they have 40 less power than Warp Core ships...

mustrumridcully0

questerius wrote: »

castsbugc wrote: »

The answer really is simple economics. There are more people who play as Federation characters then the other two groups. As such, thats where the money is and therefor the emphasis.

Damn you for making sense and being all logical.

Logic => Vulcan => Federation. Obviously any logical argumentation will only serve the Federation cause.

You must make a honorful argumentation to appease the KDF.
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captaintroika

dakkalvar1 wrote: »

Romulan Sci Ships will stink considering they have 40 less power than Warp Core ships...

Your power output goes up as your singularity gauge increases, and in any case there are loads of ways to increase aux power. It's not a major issue currently.

anazonda

Probably because they are never satisfied.

darthkuriboh

I know I have 7 Klingons, 6 of whom need t6 ships. If Craptastic doesn't get it together and release good t6 KDF ships, I won't be buying anything, and I'm a spender.

qqafgqegqe4ag

I'm still waiting for a T6 Vo'Quv.

It'd be an easy cash grab for Cryptic, and I'd be happy to pay for it.

darthkuriboh

qqafgqegqe4ag wrote: »

I'm still waiting for a T6 Vo'Quv.

It'd be an easy cash grab for Cryptic, and I'd be happy to pay for it.

T6 sci ship, T6 carrier, T6 bop. These are required.

hypnoticbeast

I have one of each faction. I have yet to find a fed ship that I want spend as much time with as the other two.

kyrrok

It would be real nice if they finally gave the Klingons a decent Klingon science ship. I however would roll a Klingon sci if they so much as released a T6 Hegh'ta.

It's also high time for the Defiant/B'rel/T'varo with the types of pilot powers the pilot ships have. Not just the boff slots, ALL OF THEM. The fact that T6 classics before didn't have command/intel abilities on the ship itself is a minor inconvenience to me if that much, but there's no excuse why attack ships wouldn't have pilot abilities.

A T6 carrier is not my style but it's also time for one.

markhawkman

nightken wrote: »

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

It's neither a moral choice nor a health choice to make a Fed, Klingon or Romulan character.

so why do we do it? because that 12% are still our customers, and 100% is better than 88%. even a corporate venue with the tightest browneye in the hemisphere sees that reality for what it is.

And that is why apple farms also grow bananas.
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actually if their smart a farm does grow different things at different times to keep the soil from getting depleted.

Well, apples aren't really a farm. Orchards are different because you grow food on trees, and the trees don't go anywhere at the end of the growing season. Why? Because it can take 20 years to grow a decent orchard, and the profit comes after you can simply harvest every year.

mustrumridcully's example was pointing out the fact that apples and bananas don't grow in the same way. Also bananas are far less tolerant of cold than apples. Apple trees simply shed their leaves in winter. Bananas die if they get frosted.

tehbubbaloo wrote: »

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

tehbubbaloo wrote: »

vegos make up about 12% of our customers, yet we still have 3 vego meals on the menu and a vego option on the specials menu every night. and these arent virtual items; these are items that go in the bin when they dont sell.

It's neither a moral choice nor a health choice to make a Fed, Klingon or Romulan character.

so why do we do it? because that 12% are still our customers, and 100% is better than 88%. even a corporate venue with the tightest browneye in the hemisphere sees that reality for what it is.

And that is why apple farms also grow bananas.

bit it is a choice. and any restaurant that used cryptics logic would have zero vego meals on the menu and would likely serve nothing but the most popular and effortless items. they might even streamline it to the point they served nothing but parmas and chips. not surprisingly, their accounting would suggest that 'these are the greatest parmas ever, and the diners love them'. nevermind the 50% that dont bother coming anymore.
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As a counter point.... no restaurant in the town I live bothers with a vegetarian menu. Sure they have vegetable items, and you could order stuff without meat, but aside from the pizza place it's not even on the menu. And for the pizza place it's a tiny footnote that they only make if specifically requested... that and it uses the same ingredients that go into the other pizzas, just in a different arrangement.