And yet, how many times in recent memory have they rebuilt the Miranda? I don't see any T5 or T6 Light Cruisers...
I was referring to the Federation, not Cryptic.
And my question still stands. What's the newest Federation rebuild of the Miranda? Closest I've seen is the Centaur from DS9, and that was clearly not built recently.
Erm, Starfleet just build miranda ships because they are extremely cheap to build, and they can do it almost in mass production, thats all. Same for other old small ships. But they are never going to try to convert those ships in something they are not lol, unless those ships have something special like an unique abilitie that can only be mounted in that ship... and still it will be cheaper to just build another better ship. Just common sense.
No, they have a long history of not doing what *you* want them to, regarding classics. I'm sure there are people who hate the new Camaros, Mustangs, and Challengers because they don't look exactly like the late 60s/early 70s models, but that doesn't make the design wrong. Some people like classics, sure. But guess what? Car manufacturers don't still build the same cars, and the same applies to new classes of starship.
I think you dont get it after all. Nevermind. You right, sir.
No, they have a long history of not doing what *you* want them to, regarding classics. I'm sure there are people who hate the new Camaros, Mustangs, and Challengers because they don't look exactly like the late 60s/early 70s models, but that doesn't make the design wrong. Some people like classics, sure. But guess what? Car manufacturers don't still build the same cars, and the same applies to new classes of starship.
I think you dont get it after all. Nevermind. You right, sir.
I believe our positions are reversed, actually, but I'll accept your surrender.
I for one use the skin of the old ships. Don't care for cryptic designs of ships. They tend to mess up designs when they try to inprove them. They are making the game less startrek and more like balon 5.
I won't be happy until I get my Tactical Odyssey T6. Or better yet, FLEET Tactical Odyssey T6
You're in the same boat as me...except I want the Science Oddy. I'm prepared to purchase the 3-pack if they come out with it and I'm sure a lot of other people are too.
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...This *isn't* the original Excelsior. That ship is old and outdated, and simply isn't worth making again....
Technically, the Miranda is even older and the Federation seems to be pumping them out like mad.
Where are they pumping them out at? I have yet to see a Miranda at a Drydock anywhere in the game beyond the one you use as the Hero Ship. And considering there is only 1 Hero Captain, and 1 Hero Ship. Everyone else flying a Miranda does not lend itself to the argument that theyre being mass produced. From what Ive been told theyre being brought out of mothballs much like the Connie in an attempt to fill gaps in the Federations defenses.
The only place we see them in mass is in Star Trek: DS9. And the understanding there was that the Miranda and the variants were cannonfodder. They were mass produced *AT SOME POINT* because of how easy and fast they could be produced. In general youre going to be able to produce far more Mirandas in the same span as building just one Excelsior. They dont need as many personnel to run, they dont need as much power and weapons to utilize. These ships simply add extra phaser banks/arrays and torpedo launchers on the battlefield.
Go play any mission fighting Federation enemies (say as KDF). Frigate type enemy groups are all Mirandas or variants.
Their presence does not indicate WHEN they were built. The Federation and Starfleet has a long history of utilizing outdated ships for what I can only assume is being cheap about creating and fielding new ships. Why build new ones when you can simply gut the ones you have and re-purpose them? Slap some new sensors on, update the Internal computer core, upgrade the warp drive and impulse engines, install new more powerful phaser banks/arrays and modify the torpedo tube.
All of those missions in the game simply prove my point that they are cannonfodder. Easily built, easily mass produced and have no other purpose in the Fleet beyond filling a gap in the line. And the great thing about mass producing those ships? Even when youve decommissioned them, if youre short on ships you can always turn back to them..pull them out of mothballs and push them out to where you need them. They dont need to lead the charge or dominate in a one on one battle, simply utilize the old strategy of outnumbering your enemy to overwhelm them.
How many times have you seen those Mirandas survive an encounter with a powerful enemy NPC ship? Often enough if one of them survived it was because you killed the Enemy NPC quite quickly or because there were so many of them involved that it was very likely that a tleast one of them would come out of it.
I like the design hate the boff setup it's too similar to the Andromeda. It needs pilot hybrid seat,
I'm waiting for all the flagships to be release T6 I have feeling that they will just make a 3 pack with new models and merely the same consoles but call them enhanced like the vet ship . With some bonus stats on them, though i hope they take the time to make it possible to launch the saucer as well as the escort.
Maybe just make it it's own separate button when you have the entire set equipped, so they would only have to model one extra transition with both launching at same time.
I also hope they give them a lt com uni hybrid as well as another lt.com I think tactical for bortas science for oddy and scimitar or engi for scimitar. As well as make bortas give it a 1.1 shield mod and 5 for and 3 aft weapons and make it a flat 6 turn rate like the oddy ?
It's a decent ship. A little superfluous if you own the Presidio Tac Command Cruiser though, but it makes for a nice free all-access transport ship for alts in less-established fleets.
Also, those thinking it's just a modernized Excelsior forget that like the Andromeda, Avenger, and Pathfinder, they're new ships that carry the spirit of the ones they've succeeded. They just happen to be able to use the visuals of the older ship for personalization reasons.
Also, I'm expecting an eventual T6 Sovereign to have a Pilot Hybrid seat, rather than the Excelsior successor.
Not happy with it being ANOTHER Command cruiser .
I mean seriously .
Other than that, the near copy/paste of the T5 abilities + the lack of any movement on the new model* + the seeming rehash of the look of one of the Command cruisers on the new model ... -- I just don't get the lack of 'love' for this Iconic ship .
* yeah, I think we lost the guy who continuously complained about no moving parts on new ships, but I have to agree with this and his other complaint at this point -- this was a serious copy-paste job , both stats and "new skin" whise .
...This *isn't* the original Excelsior. That ship is old and outdated, and simply isn't worth making again....
Technically, the Miranda is even older and the Federation seems to be pumping them out like mad.
Where are they pumping them out at? I have yet to see a Miranda at a Drydock anywhere in the game beyond the one you use as the Hero Ship. And considering there is only 1 Hero Captain, and 1 Hero Ship. Everyone else flying a Miranda does not lend itself to the argument that theyre being mass produced. From what Ive been told theyre being brought out of mothballs much like the Connie in an attempt to fill gaps in the Federations defenses.
The only place we see them in mass is in Star Trek: DS9. And the understanding there was that the Miranda and the variants were cannonfodder. They were mass produced *AT SOME POINT* because of how easy and fast they could be produced. In general youre going to be able to produce far more Mirandas in the same span as building just one Excelsior. They dont need as many personnel to run, they dont need as much power and weapons to utilize. These ships simply add extra phaser banks/arrays and torpedo launchers on the battlefield.
Go play any mission fighting Federation enemies (say as KDF). Frigate type enemy groups are all Mirandas or variants.
Their presence does not indicate WHEN they were built. The Federation and Starfleet has a long history of utilizing outdated ships for what I can only assume is being cheap about creating and fielding new ships. Why build new ones when you can simply gut the ones you have and re-purpose them? Slap some new sensors on, update the Internal computer core, upgrade the warp drive and impulse engines, install new more powerful phaser banks/arrays and modify the torpedo tube.
All of those missions in the game simply prove my point that they are cannonfodder. Easily built, easily mass produced and have no other purpose in the Fleet beyond filling a gap in the line. And the great thing about mass producing those ships? Even when youve decommissioned them, if youre short on ships you can always turn back to them..pull them out of mothballs and push them out to where you need them. They dont need to lead the charge or dominate in a one on one battle, simply utilize the old strategy of outnumbering your enemy to overwhelm them.
How many times have you seen those Mirandas survive an encounter with a powerful enemy NPC ship? Often enough if one of them survived it was because you killed the Enemy NPC quite quickly or because there were so many of them involved that it was very likely that a tleast one of them would come out of it.
They get slaughtered wholesale. All frigates do. That isn't because they are Mirandas, it is because they are frigates, and in game, frigates are like a kitten in a wet paper bag.
But if they aren't making more, they would have long since run out of whatever surplus that existed. They have to be making more.
...This *isn't* the original Excelsior. That ship is old and outdated, and simply isn't worth making again....
Technically, the Miranda is even older and the Federation seems to be pumping them out like mad.
Where are they pumping them out at? I have yet to see a Miranda at a Drydock anywhere in the game beyond the one you use as the Hero Ship. And considering there is only 1 Hero Captain, and 1 Hero Ship. Everyone else flying a Miranda does not lend itself to the argument that theyre being mass produced. From what Ive been told theyre being brought out of mothballs much like the Connie in an attempt to fill gaps in the Federations defenses.
The only place we see them in mass is in Star Trek: DS9. And the understanding there was that the Miranda and the variants were cannonfodder. They were mass produced *AT SOME POINT* because of how easy and fast they could be produced. In general youre going to be able to produce far more Mirandas in the same span as building just one Excelsior. They dont need as many personnel to run, they dont need as much power and weapons to utilize. These ships simply add extra phaser banks/arrays and torpedo launchers on the battlefield.
Go play any mission fighting Federation enemies (say as KDF). Frigate type enemy groups are all Mirandas or variants.
Their presence does not indicate WHEN they were built. The Federation and Starfleet has a long history of utilizing outdated ships for what I can only assume is being cheap about creating and fielding new ships. Why build new ones when you can simply gut the ones you have and re-purpose them? Slap some new sensors on, update the Internal computer core, upgrade the warp drive and impulse engines, install new more powerful phaser banks/arrays and modify the torpedo tube.
All of those missions in the game simply prove my point that they are cannonfodder. Easily built, easily mass produced and have no other purpose in the Fleet beyond filling a gap in the line. And the great thing about mass producing those ships? Even when youve decommissioned them, if youre short on ships you can always turn back to them..pull them out of mothballs and push them out to where you need them. They dont need to lead the charge or dominate in a one on one battle, simply utilize the old strategy of outnumbering your enemy to overwhelm them.
How many times have you seen those Mirandas survive an encounter with a powerful enemy NPC ship? Often enough if one of them survived it was because you killed the Enemy NPC quite quickly or because there were so many of them involved that it was very likely that a tleast one of them would come out of it.
They get slaughtered wholesale. All frigates do. That isn't because they are Mirandas, it is because they are frigates, and in game, frigates are like a kitten in a wet paper bag.
Bird of Preys are used as KDF Frigates, and I remember the time when it was the mastership that made Feddies moisterize their service-pyjamas in PvP.
And IIRC, the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship is also the Dominion Frigate... Which once upon time was considered a P2W ship that obsoleted every other escort in the game.
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And yet, how many times in recent memory have they rebuilt the Miranda? I don't see any T5 or T6 Light Cruisers...
I was referring to the Federation, not Cryptic.
And my question still stands. What's the newest Federation rebuild of the Miranda? Closest I've seen is the Centaur from DS9, and that was clearly not built recently.
...This *isn't* the original Excelsior. That ship is old and outdated, and simply isn't worth making again....
Technically, the Miranda is even older and the Federation seems to be pumping them out like mad.
Where are they pumping them out at? I have yet to see a Miranda at a Drydock anywhere in the game beyond the one you use as the Hero Ship. And considering there is only 1 Hero Captain, and 1 Hero Ship. Everyone else flying a Miranda does not lend itself to the argument that theyre being mass produced. From what Ive been told theyre being brought out of mothballs much like the Connie in an attempt to fill gaps in the Federations defenses.
The only place we see them in mass is in Star Trek: DS9. And the understanding there was that the Miranda and the variants were cannonfodder. They were mass produced *AT SOME POINT* because of how easy and fast they could be produced. In general youre going to be able to produce far more Mirandas in the same span as building just one Excelsior. They dont need as many personnel to run, they dont need as much power and weapons to utilize. These ships simply add extra phaser banks/arrays and torpedo launchers on the battlefield.
Go play any mission fighting Federation enemies (say as KDF). Frigate type enemy groups are all Mirandas or variants.
Their presence does not indicate WHEN they were built. The Federation and Starfleet has a long history of utilizing outdated ships for what I can only assume is being cheap about creating and fielding new ships. Why build new ones when you can simply gut the ones you have and re-purpose them? Slap some new sensors on, update the Internal computer core, upgrade the warp drive and impulse engines, install new more powerful phaser banks/arrays and modify the torpedo tube.
All of those missions in the game simply prove my point that they are cannonfodder. Easily built, easily mass produced and have no other purpose in the Fleet beyond filling a gap in the line. And the great thing about mass producing those ships? Even when youve decommissioned them, if youre short on ships you can always turn back to them..pull them out of mothballs and push them out to where you need them. They dont need to lead the charge or dominate in a one on one battle, simply utilize the old strategy of outnumbering your enemy to overwhelm them.
How many times have you seen those Mirandas survive an encounter with a powerful enemy NPC ship? Often enough if one of them survived it was because you killed the Enemy NPC quite quickly or because there were so many of them involved that it was very likely that a tleast one of them would come out of it.
They get slaughtered wholesale. All frigates do. That isn't because they are Mirandas, it is because they are frigates, and in game, frigates are like a kitten in a wet paper bag.
Bird of Preys are used as KDF Frigates, and I remember the time when it was the mastership that made Feddies moisterize their service-pyjamas in PvP.
And IIRC, the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship is also the Dominion Frigate... Which once upon time was considered a P2W ship that obsoleted every other escort in the game.
Yes, so Mirandas can be awesome T5/6 ships. However NPC frigates are still weak, sad little things and get slaughtered easily.
It doesnt look like the Excelsior. It looks amost exactly like the command cruisers.
Incidentally, the Command Cruisers drew a lot of design cues from the Excelsior.
Further, it's hardly unreasonable for modern designs to share similar or even virtually identical features. The Galaxy-class has numerous derivatives, most notably the Neblua, but including the New Orleans and Challenger classes. I shouldn't have to mention the Constitution and Miranda-classes also fit this pattern. If we assume in-universe that the Command Cruisers came first, then logically it follows that, just like the Galaxy, its elements would be applied to other new classes.
Not to say it couldn't be called lazy out-of-universe (I wouldn't, personally), but as I explained above, it has its benefits for lore and universe-building and consistency.
I consider the command cruiser the Excelsoir upgrade and would have fit as one. Just remove the double nacelle and shape the pylons like a a Excelsoir.
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Erm, Starfleet just build miranda ships because they are extremely cheap to build, and they can do it almost in mass production, thats all. Same for other old small ships. But they are never going to try to convert those ships in something they are not lol, unless those ships have something special like an unique abilitie that can only be mounted in that ship... and still it will be cheaper to just build another better ship. Just common sense.
I think you dont get it after all. Nevermind. You right, sir.
I believe our positions are reversed, actually, but I'll accept your surrender.
You're in the same boat as me...except I want the Science Oddy. I'm prepared to purchase the 3-pack if they come out with it and I'm sure a lot of other people are too.
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Their presence does not indicate WHEN they were built. The Federation and Starfleet has a long history of utilizing outdated ships for what I can only assume is being cheap about creating and fielding new ships. Why build new ones when you can simply gut the ones you have and re-purpose them? Slap some new sensors on, update the Internal computer core, upgrade the warp drive and impulse engines, install new more powerful phaser banks/arrays and modify the torpedo tube.
All of those missions in the game simply prove my point that they are cannonfodder. Easily built, easily mass produced and have no other purpose in the Fleet beyond filling a gap in the line. And the great thing about mass producing those ships? Even when youve decommissioned them, if youre short on ships you can always turn back to them..pull them out of mothballs and push them out to where you need them. They dont need to lead the charge or dominate in a one on one battle, simply utilize the old strategy of outnumbering your enemy to overwhelm them.
How many times have you seen those Mirandas survive an encounter with a powerful enemy NPC ship? Often enough if one of them survived it was because you killed the Enemy NPC quite quickly or because there were so many of them involved that it was very likely that a tleast one of them would come out of it.
^^ This is what I've been waiting for too! A T6 Ody, with Aquarius bridge, mind you.
I'm waiting for all the flagships to be release T6 I have feeling that they will just make a 3 pack with new models and merely the same consoles but call them enhanced like the vet ship . With some bonus stats on them, though i hope they take the time to make it possible to launch the saucer as well as the escort.
Maybe just make it it's own separate button when you have the entire set equipped, so they would only have to model one extra transition with both launching at same time.
I also hope they give them a lt com uni hybrid as well as another lt.com I think tactical for bortas science for oddy and scimitar or engi for scimitar. As well as make bortas give it a 1.1 shield mod and 5 for and 3 aft weapons and make it a flat 6 turn rate like the oddy ?
If it aint feddy bear the devs dont care
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Also, those thinking it's just a modernized Excelsior forget that like the Andromeda, Avenger, and Pathfinder, they're new ships that carry the spirit of the ones they've succeeded. They just happen to be able to use the visuals of the older ship for personalization reasons.
Also, I'm expecting an eventual T6 Sovereign to have a Pilot Hybrid seat, rather than the Excelsior successor.
I mean seriously .
Other than that, the near copy/paste of the T5 abilities + the lack of any movement on the new model* + the seeming rehash of the look of one of the Command cruisers on the new model ... -- I just don't get the lack of 'love' for this Iconic ship .
* yeah, I think we lost the guy who continuously complained about no moving parts on new ships, but I have to agree with this and his other complaint at this point -- this was a serious copy-paste job , both stats and "new skin" whise .
They get slaughtered wholesale. All frigates do. That isn't because they are Mirandas, it is because they are frigates, and in game, frigates are like a kitten in a wet paper bag.
But if they aren't making more, they would have long since run out of whatever surplus that existed. They have to be making more.
Bird of Preys are used as KDF Frigates, and I remember the time when it was the mastership that made Feddies moisterize their service-pyjamas in PvP.
And IIRC, the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship is also the Dominion Frigate... Which once upon time was considered a P2W ship that obsoleted every other escort in the game.
The Shi'Kahr is Cryptic's answer to the Miranda.
Yes, so Mirandas can be awesome T5/6 ships. However NPC frigates are still weak, sad little things and get slaughtered easily.
It looks like a scaled down command cruiser.
I consider the command cruiser the Excelsoir upgrade and would have fit as one. Just remove the double nacelle and shape the pylons like a a Excelsoir.
By that definition every ship in the game is a money grab. I think of the Resolute as a facilitator for me having my Excelsior at T6.