test content
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc

People finally got your Excelsior class T6...are you happy?

dark4blooddark4blood Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
This has been something many fans have asked for, though this class should have been retired by now, the Excelsior class is getting a fancy new ship. Does the design look as you expected? Will you be happy with Cryptic's recent design choices that have made many original ships look significantly worse than the original or will you just put on the old skin? I am curious, discuss.
«134

Comments

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    I can't think of a single person who was asking for it. We were asking for a competitive GCS for years, but the T5 Excelsior was actually worth a flying frak.
  • kittyflofykittyflofy Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Im not. I wanted an excelsior, not another saucered modern cruiser. If my ship is not going to look like an excelsior .. who cares. Why not just pick the original model and just make little differences and thats all? nah, they are obsessed with modern-looking ships, even if we are talking about a ship that is "famous" for its classic-old visual style. Well, i could use the original skin but honestly i expected some improvements on it, but keeping the old style. I dont think i will buy the ship, just to keep flying my excelsior. Cookies dont work for me this time :)
  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    kittyflofy wrote: »
    Im not. I wanted an excelsior, not another saucered modern cruiser. If my ship is not going to look like an excelsior .. who cares. Why not just pick the original model and just make little differences and thats all? nah, they are obsessed with modern-looking ships, even if we are talking about a ship that is "famous" for its classic-old visual style.

    You can use the old costume... I for one appreciate their artwork but you don't have to use it so don't complain.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    kittyflofy wrote: »
    Im not. I wanted an excelsior, not another saucered modern cruiser. If my ship is not going to look like an excelsior .. who cares. Why not just pick the original model and just make little differences and thats all? nah, they are obsessed with modern-looking ships, even if we are talking about a ship that is "famous" for its classic-old visual style.

    Based on their recent offerings, its a pretty good bet that the classic Excelsior parts will be available to it. If I got one I'd probably go classic except for the more modern nacelles myself. Did that with my old T2 Connie by slapping Excalibur Nacelles on her. Looked pretty good too.
    db80k0m-89201ed8-eadb-45d3-830f-bb2f0d4c0fe7.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ExOGQ4ZWM2LTUyZjQtNDdiMS05YTI1LTVlYmZkYmJkOGM3N1wvZGI4MGswbS04OTIwMWVkOC1lYWRiLTQ1ZDMtODMwZi1iYjJmMGQ0YzBmZTcucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.8G-Pg35Qi8qxiKLjAofaKRH6fmNH3qAAEI628gW0eXc
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
    normal text = me speaking as fellow formite
    colored text = mod mode
  • kittyflofykittyflofy Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    The problem is people who dont have the original excelsior and they want the classic look , they will need to buy both. Thats the reason i dont see logic in a new completely different design.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    I'm not sure if that was the case with the previous ships. Then again I think they had free versions already available to them. I think this T6 Excelsior might be the first C-Store ship to not have a non C-Store counterpart somewhere along the line. Right now saying that it won't is speculation at best. Then again, saying that it will, even with evidence supporting it via previous "iconic" T6 ships, is as well. All we can do is wait and see which proves correct.
    db80k0m-89201ed8-eadb-45d3-830f-bb2f0d4c0fe7.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ExOGQ4ZWM2LTUyZjQtNDdiMS05YTI1LTVlYmZkYmJkOGM3N1wvZGI4MGswbS04OTIwMWVkOC1lYWRiLTQ1ZDMtODMwZi1iYjJmMGQ0YzBmZTcucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.8G-Pg35Qi8qxiKLjAofaKRH6fmNH3qAAEI628gW0eXc
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
    normal text = me speaking as fellow formite
    colored text = mod mode
  • koraheaglecrykoraheaglecry Member Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    kittyflofy wrote: »
    The problem is people who dont have the original excelsior and they want the classic look , they will need to buy both. Thats the reason i dont see logic in a new completely different design.

    I believe Trendy posted on Twitter through the STO Account that you dont have to buy the older versions to use the model.

    Now I can understand if you walked into this game a few months ago and wanted to play a top tier AHC you might be disappointed to find there were no Tier 6 Excelsiors. But even at this point T5.U is still some of the best ships in the game meaning you could buy the Excelsior and some upgrade tokens and dish out a lot of pain with it. So the argument that youre posing has no weight.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    I never asked for a T6 Excelsior but I knew damn well it was coming. I knew as far back as October 2014 when Profits Rising released that the old canon ships will transition to T6 eventually. And that they have.

    Intrepid
    Galaxy
    Excelsior (very soon)
    Negh'Var
    D'Deridex
    Mogai

    Canon ship designs have always been popular in Star Trek fandom. They're "The Other Stars" of the franchise. Frankly, I'm still surprised that people around here are caught off guard when a lower tiered canon ship makes its way into T6.

    Edit: Oh, and kudos to "The Source" again for seeing this stuff before it officially hits. You guys are on the money almost every time B)
    XzRTofz.gif
  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    kittyflofy wrote: »
    The problem is people who dont have the original excelsior and they want the classic look , they will need to buy both. Thats the reason i dont see logic in a new completely different design.

    Right out of the blog post:
    "The Resolute Class Advanced Heavy Cruiser can use all costume parts from any existing Advanced Heavy Cruiser regardless if you own the Advanced Heavy Cruiser or the Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit."
    Well excuse me for having enormous flaws that I don't work on.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Yes I am, thank you for asking. :)

    I'm not a fan of most of the new T6 ship skins - most od them look pretty bad to me, but then again I'm getting an Excelsior to command an iconic Excelsior, not some new random design.
    Personally I'll be using the classic skin of Sulu's Excelsior, the first one of her class, just as I did until now.
    latest?cb=20130812215342&path-prefix=en
    HQroeLu.jpg
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    svindal777 wrote: »
    kittyflofy wrote: »
    The problem is people who dont have the original excelsior and they want the classic look , they will need to buy both. Thats the reason i dont see logic in a new completely different design.

    Right out of the blog post:
    "The Resolute Class Advanced Heavy Cruiser can use all costume parts from any existing Advanced Heavy Cruiser regardless if you own the Advanced Heavy Cruiser or the Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit."

    Shush! Reading is OP!
    XzRTofz.gif
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    READING IS OP! PLZ NERF!
    db80k0m-89201ed8-eadb-45d3-830f-bb2f0d4c0fe7.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ExOGQ4ZWM2LTUyZjQtNDdiMS05YTI1LTVlYmZkYmJkOGM3N1wvZGI4MGswbS04OTIwMWVkOC1lYWRiLTQ1ZDMtODMwZi1iYjJmMGQ0YzBmZTcucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.8G-Pg35Qi8qxiKLjAofaKRH6fmNH3qAAEI628gW0eXc
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
    normal text = me speaking as fellow formite
    colored text = mod mode
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    svindal777 wrote: »
    kittyflofy wrote: »
    The problem is people who dont have the original excelsior and they want the classic look , they will need to buy both. Thats the reason i dont see logic in a new completely different design.

    Right out of the blog post:
    "The Resolute Class Advanced Heavy Cruiser can use all costume parts from any existing Advanced Heavy Cruiser regardless if you own the Advanced Heavy Cruiser or the Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit."
    When I first read that part of the blog, I thought the wording seemed a little odd.

    If I said "Ice will not melt, regardless if it is 32° F or 0° C" my statement would be true. If I said "Ice will not melt, regardless if it is 32° F or 0° C or not" my statement would be false. The "or not" releases the statement (Ice will not melt) from the stated conditions, so if it were 100°, according to the sentence, ice would not melt. The "or not" is definitely not there in the blog, still making the usability of the skins dependant on one of the two stated conditions.

    So, the way I read the blog, the new ship can use the old skins if you have either of the old ships. If you can use them or not if you don't have them is ambiguous.
    "Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    the excelsior should of not had an upgrade unless its in its original design with a few modifications like a 3rd nacelle on the pylon hub on the back, the lower half of the engineering bay is extended for more crew space, the structural limitations on the sensor and deflector areas are completely torn out and a more smoother rounded like the original excelsior sensor area is added with a cool looking particle dish and sensor pallettes behind it. i mean they could of done something cool with the original, but they decided to mock the excelsior by directing he influence to the wrong ship.
    T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW.
    Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
  • bcwhguderian1941bcwhguderian1941 Member Posts: 804 Arc User
    I'm thrilled. Can't wait to see what a Fleet (T6) Excelsior will bring to the table. She's been my primary ship since I
    picked up the (T3) version. :) Lets see, that will be (T3), (T5), (T5U), Fleet (T5U), (T6), Fleet (T6). :# Yikes, well played
    by PWE/Cryptic. The game needs more fools like me. And loving every moment in game. :p


    BCW.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    I like the look of the new ship, it in no way reminds me of an Excelsior, but at least it looks good :)

    my only complaint is I cant get that instead of the t6 galaxy when I buy the cross faction bundle to get my t6 mogai
    tumblr_mr1jc2hq2T1rzu2xzo1_400.gif
    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • amayakitsuneamayakitsune Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    Isnt a T6 Sovereign? Dont care then...​​
    7NGGeUP.png

  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    the excelsior should of not had an upgrade unless its in its original design with a few modifications like a 3rd nacelle on the pylon hub on the back, the lower half of the engineering bay is extended for more crew space, the structural limitations on the sensor and deflector areas are completely torn out and a more smoother rounded like the original excelsior sensor area is added with a cool looking particle dish and sensor pallettes behind it. i mean they could of done something cool with the original, but they decided to mock the excelsior by directing he influence to the wrong ship.

    Slapping an extra nacelle on doesn't really work and IMO would be the lazy approach to ship design. They already said you'd be able to use the classic parts so you can mix and match if you want or just use the classic parts.
    db80k0m-89201ed8-eadb-45d3-830f-bb2f0d4c0fe7.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ExOGQ4ZWM2LTUyZjQtNDdiMS05YTI1LTVlYmZkYmJkOGM3N1wvZGI4MGswbS04OTIwMWVkOC1lYWRiLTQ1ZDMtODMwZi1iYjJmMGQ0YzBmZTcucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.8G-Pg35Qi8qxiKLjAofaKRH6fmNH3qAAEI628gW0eXc
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
    normal text = me speaking as fellow formite
    colored text = mod mode
  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    I'm delighted that the new Excel is happening, it's just a shame they butchered the design. If I wanted to fly a cmd battlecruiser I'd have bought one. But as they're making the old skins available for it I'll be using the Lakota look again.
    ZiOfChe.png?1
  • martakurillmartakurill Member Posts: 456 Arc User
    Isnt a T6 Sovereign? Dont care then...​​

    QFT...unfortunately, there has been a longstanding tradition at Cryptic of Excelsior > Sovereign. I doubt we'll be seeing a T6 Sovereign before sometime well into 2016... :(

  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    adamkafei wrote: »
    I'm delighted that the new Excel is happening, it's just a shame they butchered the design. If I wanted to fly a cmd battlecruiser I'd have bought one. But as they're making the old skins available for it I'll be using the Lakota look again.

    Frankly, to me, with the exception of the Romulan Command Cruisers, the Mat'ha Raptor and the Andromeda Class, all T6 designs look more or less like TRIBBLE. The only thing that redeems the T6 so far for me is their ability to use the iconic or T5 skins. What the hell happened to the guy that designed the Tempest Class? And what happened to their Klingon design team that created the most awesome ships in the past, all after the Mat'Ha look like plastic toys for toddlers.

    On those terms, I don't even care what the T6 skin looks like - I just want the classic TMP era Excelsior that Sulu had and that's why I'll eventually getting this ship. Plus, saucer >>> chevron any time of the year. ;)
    HQroeLu.jpg
  • bernatkbernatk Member Posts: 1,089 Bug Hunter
    bergins wrote: »
    svindal777 wrote: »
    kittyflofy wrote: »
    The problem is people who dont have the original excelsior and they want the classic look , they will need to buy both. Thats the reason i dont see logic in a new completely different design.

    Right out of the blog post:
    "The Resolute Class Advanced Heavy Cruiser can use all costume parts from any existing Advanced Heavy Cruiser regardless if you own the Advanced Heavy Cruiser or the Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit."
    When I first read that part of the blog, I thought the wording seemed a little odd.

    If I said "Ice will not melt, regardless if it is 32° F or 0° C" my statement would be true. If I said "Ice will not melt, regardless if it is 32° F or 0° C or not" my statement would be false. The "or not" releases the statement (Ice will not melt) from the stated conditions, so if it were 100°, according to the sentence, ice would not melt. The "or not" is definitely not there in the blog, still making the usability of the skins dependant on one of the two stated conditions.

    So, the way I read the blog, the new ship can use the old skins if you have either of the old ships. If you can use them or not if you don't have them is ambiguous.

    Keyword: "regardless". Look it up in a translator.
    Tck7dQ2.jpg
    Dahar Master Mary Sue                                               Fleet Admiral Bloody Mary
  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    shpoks wrote: »
    Frankly, to me, with the exception of the Romulan Command Cruisers, the Mat'ha Raptor and the Andromeda Class, all T6 designs look more or less like TRIBBLE. The only thing that redeems the T6 so far for me is their ability to use the iconic or T5 skins. What the hell happened to the guy that designed the Tempest Class? And what happened to their Klingon design team that created the most awesome ships in the past, all after the Mat'Ha look like plastic toys for toddlers.

    On those terms, I don't even care what the T6 skin looks like - I just want the classic TMP era Excelsior that Sulu had and that's why I'll eventually getting this ship. Plus, saucer >>> chevron any time of the year. ;)

    Pretty much. The Tempest design was a great adaptation of the patrol escort, clearly a patrol escort, clearly starfleet but at the same time very distinctive in it's own way. The T6 Intel ships managed to be distinctive and look fairly functional for the most part, I'll give them that and the Iconic cruisers (along with the T6 Intrepid) look the part, in fact they look like pretty logical evolutions of the starting design.

    The Excel... Yeah... This doesn't say Excel. The more I look at it, the more it looks like the child of the Exeter and the Rhode Island as birthed by the Oddy. I like the original Excel, it is the one I fell in love with way back when but when they presented the Lakota refit as a more modern Excel, to me it was perfection. Had they done something with that rather than adapting a cmd battlecruiser slightly and reselling it as an Excel, I'd have been happy.
    ZiOfChe.png?1
  • supergirl1611supergirl1611 Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    Nope not happy about a Tier 6 Excelsior. Ship is over 130 years old. Remember the posters shooting down the Galaxy crowd saying the Galaxy was to old and outdated. Truer words have never been spoken when it comes to describing the Excelsior as of 2410

    The are far more deserving ships of Tier 6 than Geko's favourite.

    Sovereign
    Akria
    Steamrunner
    Sabre
    Prometheus
    Nebula (This one needs an update)
    Nova
    Defiant
    Norway
    New Orleans (This ship model needs to be added to the game even if its at lower levels)

    All these ships are newer designs than the Excelsior and still likely to be in operation and production as of 2410. The Excelsior is very likely been retired by this stage, or no longer in production or relegated as she was seen to be a Courier or Ferry for dignatries in TNG.

    She still has a very capable Fleet T5u version available, time to let the old girl gracefully go into retirement.


  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited July 2015
    All these ships are newer designs than the Excelsior and still likely to be in operation and production as of 2410. The Excelsior is very likely been retired by this stage, or no longer in production or relegated as she was seen to be a Courier or Ferry for dignatries in TNG.

    She still has a very capable Fleet T5u version available, time to let the old girl gracefully go into retirement.
    Not that I disagree with you, but we have NX series starships, ToS Connies, and Miranda still in use here at STO... not to mention the old D-7 K't'inga, T'liss, and T'varo... I think we're way past the concept of retiring old designs and in comparison to some of those... The Excelsior is brand new.

    edit:
    and before someone jumps on it, yes an argument can be made for the T'varo being "new" now and the Ent era versions being Temporal Cold War related.
    tumblr_mr1jc2hq2T1rzu2xzo1_400.gif
    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • supergirl1611supergirl1611 Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    All these ships are newer designs than the Excelsior and still likely to be in operation and production as of 2410. The Excelsior is very likely been retired by this stage, or no longer in production or relegated as she was seen to be a Courier or Ferry for dignatries in TNG.

    She still has a very capable Fleet T5u version available, time to let the old girl gracefully go into retirement.
    Not that I disagree with you, but we have NX series starships, ToS Connies, and Miranda still in use here at STO... not to mention the old D-7 K't'inga, T'liss, and T'varo... I think we're way past the concept of retiring old designs and in comparison to some of those... The Excelsior is brand new.

    edit:
    and before someone jumps on it, yes an argument can be made for the T'varo being "new" now and the Ent era versions being Temporal Cold War related.

    Enterprise was nothing more than a very long holo-novel, so anything other than Riker and Troy talking outside the holodeck on the Ent-D can not be taken as cannon as all the stuff in Enterprise never happened lol :)
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    Enterprise was nothing more than a very long holo-novel, so anything other than Riker and Troy talking outside the holodeck on the Ent-D can not be taken as cannon as all the stuff in Enterprise never happened lol :)
    if only
    tumblr_mr1jc2hq2T1rzu2xzo1_400.gif
    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • This content has been removed.
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    bernatk wrote: »
    bergins wrote: »
    svindal777 wrote: »
    kittyflofy wrote: »
    The problem is people who dont have the original excelsior and they want the classic look , they will need to buy both. Thats the reason i dont see logic in a new completely different design.

    Right out of the blog post:
    "The Resolute Class Advanced Heavy Cruiser can use all costume parts from any existing Advanced Heavy Cruiser regardless if you own the Advanced Heavy Cruiser or the Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit."
    When I first read that part of the blog, I thought the wording seemed a little odd.

    If I said "Ice will not melt, regardless if it is 32° F or 0° C" my statement would be true. If I said "Ice will not melt, regardless if it is 32° F or 0° C or not" my statement would be false. The "or not" releases the statement (Ice will not melt) from the stated conditions, so if it were 100°, according to the sentence, ice would not melt. The "or not" is definitely not there in the blog, still making the usability of the skins dependant on one of the two stated conditions.

    So, the way I read the blog, the new ship can use the old skins if you have either of the old ships. If you can use them or not if you don't have them is ambiguous.

    Keyword: "regardless". Look it up in a translator.

    At very least, it is a questionable sentence structure, many sources saying that "regardless if" isn't even proper English, so even if English want my primary language, if a translator are needed, as you suggest, it'd likely spit out garbage, as it frequently does with properly constructed sentences.

    Look it up in an English Grammar book.
    "Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    Where are the KDF and RRF equivalents?

    For that matter, a year after the Delta Rising Pack and we still have inequity in that, with the Feds getting 5 or 6 ships out of it and KDF and RRF getting two each ...
Sign In or Register to comment.