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Light Cruiser Refit/Retrofit (with pictures!)

yakodymyakodym Member Posts: 363 Arc User
It's been here before and it's here again - a suggestion thread about spicing up the light cruiser. The logic is simple: Klingons have T1 B'rel, and then they have fleet B'rel. Romulans take it a few steps further, so they have T'varo, T'liss, Mirror T'varo, T'varo retrofit and fleet T'varo (that should take care about the possible counterpoint that T1 ship design cannot just be magically hyper-upgraded to fight toe-to-toe with endgame battlecruisers, because obviously it can).

Design-wise: As shown on the pictures of upside-down light cruisers below, the center-piece of the retrofit could be a Miranda/ShiKahr-style strut on the bottom of the ship (for refit or fleet variant, Centaur-style strut on the top of the ship), giving it a distinctive look with minimum model alterations (a definite must is a saucer that wouldn't clip into Miranda/ShiKahr pylons, and pylons that wouldn't clip into Miranda/ShiKahr saucers).

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Gameplay-wise: Since the basic light cruiser is supposed to be a jack-of-all-trades kind of ship, suitable for trying out multiple styles, I'm thinking the retrofit could be based on evolving this idea a bit, maybe taking it in the direction of something like engineering-focused Aquarius, or it could feature a mix of pilotactical, scintelligence and commangineering boff seats.

TL;DR: Light Cruiser is a sexy little ship and I miss it in the endgame.

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  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    Is it wrong that I think these look better upside down?
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  • rlak47rlak47 Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I've always wondered this (same goes for the T5/5-U/6 Connie);........CBS don't want us to have endgame ships from the Motion Picture Era because of the timeline - fair enough, the time technology is effective for is finite.

    That being said, could we not have a T6 Light Cruiser, or T6 Cruiser with the Miranda or Constitution parts removed, respectively. The Shi'Kar and Vesper and the other Cruiser design are all meant to be 25th Century designs. I say why not?
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  • willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    rlak47 wrote: »
    I've always wondered this (same goes for the T5/5-U/6 Connie);........CBS don't want us to have endgame ships from the Motion Picture Era because of the timeline - fair enough, the time technology is effective for is finite.

    That being said, could we not have a T6 Light Cruiser, or T6 Cruiser with the Miranda or Constitution parts removed, respectively. The Shi'Kar and Vesper and the other Cruiser design are all meant to be 25th Century designs. I say why not?

    Huh what? Finite? Since when? Last i checked i saw a lot of Excelsiors and Constellations flying around and Klingons even get a T5/fleet) K'Tinga and Somraw. The somraw is more than 100 years older than the Miranda/Connie.

    So as long as these ships fly around any restrictions because of the timeline are nonsense. And CBS knows that ships likeExcelsior (T6 coming!?), miranda and Connie have a lot of fans who would buy T6 ingame versions. I really see no reason nhy they don't allow them as T6. Everyone can buy a Connie (original and Refit) and fly around with it , it is just useless in Battle. A T6 version (maybe with an extra JJ-Prise refit skin, that got here through some timetravel accident or whatever) would be perfect. But for now i'd be happy with a T6 Excelsior and Ambassador and a Successor to my Regent
  • narthaisnarthais Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    yakodym wrote: »
    Gameplay-wise: Since the basic light cruiser is supposed to be a jack-of-all-trades kind of ship, suitable for trying out multiple styles, I'm thinking the retrofit could be based on evolving this idea a bit, maybe taking it in the direction of something like engineering-focused Aquarius, or it could feature a mix of pilotactical, scintelligence and commangineering boff seats.

    TL;DR: Light Cruiser is a sexy little ship and I miss it in the endgame.

    I've made similar suggestions in the past, Though i took it a slightly different way and suggested the Light cruiser at T6 be Starfleets version of the BoP line, full universal boff stations, balanced console slots, high maneuverability and impulse mod and give it Raider Flanking/Mastery. It would be a departure from the stats of the T1 version and sure it would probably have a few of the die hard KDF plays hollering (I play KDF predominantly myself)

    Could give it the ability to use the cloak console I suppose, or maybe have it come with a battle cloak console that can be used in the same ships as the standard cloak console, that would be sure to boost sales. (I only advocate cloaking for it on the basis that the Raider framework is pretty TRIBBLE without cloaking, If the BoP couldn't battlecloak there would be a lot less of them flying around.)
  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    These look pretty snazzy, I'd love to have the Miranda even if its stats were sub-aquarius, just for RP reasons.

    I'd really love a Heavy Cruiser at End-game, The Cheyenne, Dakota, and Stargazer Class are definitely modern hulls.

    But my Two feds are using a Nebula and Manticore as their main rides in the time being.
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  • sharpie65sharpie65 Member Posts: 679 Arc User
    Wow, those look pretty darned awesome! The Light Cruiser could be an awesome framework for a Feddy Raider, provided that it gets an overhaul/CBS do a U-turn on the matter...not holding my breath though. :wink:
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  • rarebear1rarebear1 Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    As long as they get four weapons fore and aft. And to make them Jack-of-all-trades or masters of none that they have four Engineering, Science, and Tactical slots for modules. Not sure about the Bridge Officer layout however.
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  • yakodymyakodym Member Posts: 363 Arc User
    Putting the deflector above the saucer might be an interesting design concept for any future designs - here's an upside-down ambassador, for example:

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  • yakodymyakodym Member Posts: 363 Arc User
    Just encountered something that might be a nice candidate for the light cruiser retrofit: the Merian class:

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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    I believe that is from the same artist that created the Vesta Class and GAVE the right to use that one to Cryptic.
    (Mark Rademaker)
    This one was included in the Ships-Of-The-Line 2012 Calendar as the U.S.S. Planck.

    Cryptic would have to renegotiate to use this particular ship and from what I heard, Mark was very disgusted with the process he had to go through for the Aventine to be used in the game.
    I doubt he wants to repeat the process.
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  • giovanniblasinigiovanniblasini Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    Ok, here's a crazy idea: if doing a ship like the Miranda is considered unacceptable for an endgame ship, what about the Freedom class? It's a TNG era ship, is smaller/lighter than the Cheyenne, and might slot well into the light cruiser/frigate role.
  • xarynn2058xarynn2058 Member Posts: 158 Arc User
    With all the tier 6 cruisers already in the Federation line up it seems a little superfluous. There's already the "new" Arbiter filling the pocket cruiser role and if you're looking for a "jack of all trades" ship there's the Tempest upgraded to T5-U (or whatever they will probably add as a T6 version of the Patrol Escort template).

    For all intents and purposes the Light Cruiser is a bit of an anachronism. Just about anything can fill its role and do it better.
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  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    Actually, they kinda looked cool upside down.
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  • coffeemikecoffeemike Member Posts: 942 Arc User
    Al Rivera already said that STO would put in an updated Tier 6 Miranda Class before a Connie... period.

    So I guess I shall wait to see that day.
  • whitewhale80whitewhale80 Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    My current character is L27 and still flying with a Centaur style Light cruiser as that is 'his ship', a retrofit variant would be very appreciated even if it just adds a tier 3 or 3.5 upgrade.
  • thunderhawk101thunderhawk101 Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    coffeemike wrote: »
    Al Rivera already said that STO would put in an updated Tier 6 Miranda Class before a Connie... period.

    So I guess I shall wait to see that day.

    Geko says many things, I recall he once called the entire STO pvp community a bunch of '14 year old basement dwelling min-maxers' or something to that effect.

    So yeah, I'm not holding my breath, I wouldn't if I were you either.

    As for the main topic, personally, I would love to see an endgame version of the Miranda. Would make a good compliment to all of the 'mines bigger' that seems to be going around in the game in terms of ship design at the present time.

    erei1 wrote: »
    I enjoy this kind of thread. It's like farting in the air to fight the wind. It's poetic, childish and completely useless.
  • coffeemikecoffeemike Member Posts: 942 Arc User
    coffeemike wrote: »
    Al Rivera already said that STO would put in an updated Tier 6 Miranda Class before a Connie... period.

    So I guess I shall wait to see that day.

    Geko says many things, I recall he once called the entire STO pvp community a bunch of '14 year old basement dwelling min-maxers' or something to that effect.

    So yeah, I'm not holding my breath, I wouldn't if I were you either.

    As for the main topic, personally, I would love to see an endgame version of the Miranda. Would make a good compliment to all of the 'mines bigger' that seems to be going around in the game in terms of ship design at the present time.

    Oh I'm not. I want my T6 tac Vesta Class first. :wink:
    But his logic for a T6 Miranda is that they were still active during the Dominion War... just like the Excelsior. So the Miranda Class has a better shot at becoming an in-game ship.
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