on the other hand if I wanted to roleplay I'd go roleplay... or play in/with the foundy. if I'm gonna make up my own stories may as well share em.
if exploration ever comes back I'd prefer they take a season, or better yet an expansion and set up a system for players to make a, as in one per character, colony. preferable with semi random environments. with missions, both playable and doff, requiring people to trade and help each other.
That would be fun. It is about time where we had content where we actually feel like Fleet Admirals.
on the other hand if I wanted to roleplay I'd go roleplay... or play in/with the foundy. if I'm gonna make up my own stories may as well share em.
if exploration ever comes back I'd prefer they take a season, or better yet an expansion and set up a system for players to make a, as in one per character, colony. preferable with semi random environments. with missions, both playable and doff, requiring people to trade and help each other.
So you have no interest in "Role Playing", fine. Why would you work against those who do?
No one was forced to do these missions, why would others enjoying them impact you?
A system as you desire would be great, but what are the odds of that happening in comparison
to "resurrecting" an existing system?
That would be fun. It is about time where we had content where we actually feel like Fleet Admirals.
sadly if it worked the way I wanted people would hate it, almost no rewards besides a few uniforms and maybe the ability to recruit and sell delta race boffs for at least a month or twos play with no paying shortcuts or sponsoring alts... it's probably a good thing I don't work for cryptic.
So you have no interest in "Role Playing", fine. Why would you work against those who do?
No one was forced to do these missions, why would others enjoying them impact you?
A system as you desire would be great, but what are the odds of that happening in comparison
to "resurrecting" an existing system?
BCW.
I didn't say I had no interest in roleplaying I'd said if thats what I wanted to be doing I'ld be doing that not exploring. and I give it even odds. cryptic rarely adds things back in. they make new systems more often.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Remember, if it's fun, then it's a bug. You must report bugs.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
The randomly generated content has to improve, of course. cryptic, unfortunately, completely abandoned their Genesis system for some reason. The stale content we had is, however, no reason to claim this can't work with a proper system with more variables, branching missions, more variables.
Yeah.... the problem is that this means rebuilding the missions from scratch. Genesis is not and never was a part of the game engine. It was a tool the devs used to create randomized missions. From what I've heard, the random maps often needed a lot of patch work to make them actually playable. The result was several thousand missions, which apparently took a matter of months to create.
I like the idea of making them more complex, but I can understand why the devs didn't. It tends to create random idiocy, like the Third Borg Dynasty.
THe branching idea is really good, though it still needs some sort of relevant inplementation into the universe. Pockets in space with "anomalies" that turn into star systems isn't something that is in any way engaging.
Now cryptic has a technology to do "random" story content: FOUNDRY
An a system for paying us to developed content for their own game or do you and Cryptic expect us to produce free content for Star trek online?
Yeah.... the problem is that this means rebuilding the missions from scratch. Genesis is not and never was a part of the game engine. It was a tool the devs used to create randomized missions. From what I've heard, the random maps often needed a lot of patch work to make them actually playable. The result was several thousand missions, which apparently took a matter of months to create.
I like the idea of making them more complex, but I can understand why the devs didn't. It tends to create random idiocy, like the Third Borg Dynasty.
You wonder why they would even add Borg as a word to the Genesis engine in the first place. They could have stuck dozens of races names in there but excluded the main ones such as the Klingons, Borg, Romulans.
Plus they could have developed the genesis engine further so it generated missions without so many bugs.
Plus they could have developed the genesis engine further so it generated missions without so many bugs.
But that would have taken a lot of time away from developing content that was desperately needed in the game. Cryptic had less than 2 years to develop the game before launch and it shows.
Yeah.... the problem is that this means rebuilding the missions from scratch. Genesis is not and never was a part of the game engine. It was a tool the devs used to create randomized missions. From what I've heard, the random maps often needed a lot of patch work to make them actually playable. The result was several thousand missions, which apparently took a matter of months to create.
I like the idea of making them more complex, but I can understand why the devs didn't. It tends to create random idiocy, like the Third Borg Dynasty.
The Borg dynasty is a perfect example of how much this system was neglected - why have "Borg" in the random name generator to begin with? Nobody ever paid muc attention to the system, yet it was a main selling point. If they had whole-arsed the thing it could and still has enough potential to make an interesting game. Half-arsing stuff, though, doesn't get you far.
I don't want to play down the effort something like this takes. I am well aware it takes work - that's a developers job, mind you. But since the initial release nobody touched that system ever again. Why? In five years?
But that would have taken a lot of time away from developing content that was desperately needed in the game. Cryptic had less than 2 years to develop the game before launch and it shows.
This here is sad and true. It still shows exactly what parts were rushed, were resources were missing. To this day, you can put your claw right onto the spot that was rushed/neglected and they never filled the gaping holes. They just kept painting around the spots that needed fresh paint.
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Play Lemmings, whining is not only allowed you get a gold star for making funny noises.
But as far as clusters go, it's called DR now, recycled space ... haha
:P Or has anyone been paying attention to the Cluster/DR joke. :P
This, is the goal, of narrheehaw It's mission, to destroy new worlds and civilizations
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] And to boldly ruin, what no one has ruined before.
That would be fun. It is about time where we had content where we actually feel like Fleet Admirals.
Why does everyone want to sit behind a desk reading the reports of captains out having adventures?
Kirk said it himself, " Well let me tell you something. Don't! Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference."
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
But that would have taken a lot of time away from developing content that was desperately needed in the game. Cryptic had less than 2 years to develop the game before launch and it shows.
The portion of STO that did the Exploration Clusters was supposed to be a big deal. A part of the game that made new content each time for the player. I remember the devs back then being very proud of it.
But as you said, STO very little development time and it showed quite badly. It took ages to make it more passable.
The Exploration Clusters needed fixing, refinement. Cryptic never really pushed for that. So they just removed it.
The portion of STO that did the Exploration Clusters was supposed to be a big deal. A part of the game that made new content each time for the player. I remember the devs back then being very proud of it.
But as you said, STO very little development time and it showed quite badly. It took ages to make it more passable.
The Exploration Clusters needed fixing, refinement. Cryptic never really pushed for that. So they just removed it.
I consider the time between launch and LoR to be paid beta due to it being the point where Klingons actually being a faction. If Cryptic did the smart thing and not have a Klingons as a pvp faction until Klingons were ready, then it would have had a much shorter time being in paid beta.
Well. I know that I am part of a minority (?) again (??) but I really enjoyed the Exploration clusters a lot. I don't know why because they were vere repetitive but also quite enjoyable. Not knowing how the planet looks like or if your "just" have to scan things or if you "just" have to fight things or even if the genesis random planet even works.
It might sound odd but this "unknown" thingy was the greatest entertainment for me personally.
On the other hand I get my dillithium these days by playing foundry mission which are also on a... let's say... thin line between entertaining or boring or even broken (which Exploration cluster mission were sometime... sometimes)
I need something else besides endless grinding queues because there is simply nothing else to do but those
foundry is ok I guess but most foundry missions are bland in a way and they don't give a sense of exploration
I don't know why they removed the clusters anyway, they had potential in there, just not enough ideas, like locating abandoned ships and retrieving cargo and rare items, or following clues about ancient forgotten civs
I guess its easier to spit out a few new queues and ships once in a while and call it a game
At least the exploration clusters allowed you to blast away enemies and was a good testing ground for new ship loadouts and ground weapons.
theres loads of foundry missions that cover this nicely, not to mention all the other stuff in sto that is ideal for this kind of thing like 'aiding the deferi' for example.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
thread wasn't closed and you're not Stalin or Kim..... or are you?
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Would be easier to set an auto-lock for 30 day old or older threads.
Oh and REMOVE THE FARKING WAIT TIMERS...
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
It's funny how people are quick to quote the rules in order to tell off people but 'forget' that the proper course of action is to report a rules violation to the mods rather than be backseat mods themselves.
It's funny how people are quick to quote the rules in order to tell off people but 'forget' that the proper course of action is to report a rules violation to the mods rather than be backseat mods themselves.
Maybe people prefer to inform people to avoid someone simply unfamiliar with the rules to get into actual moderation troubles with infractions or bans or what not?
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
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That would be fun. It is about time where we had content where we actually feel like Fleet Admirals.
So you have no interest in "Role Playing", fine. Why would you work against those who do?
No one was forced to do these missions, why would others enjoying them impact you?
A system as you desire would be great, but what are the odds of that happening in comparison
to "resurrecting" an existing system?
BCW.
sadly if it worked the way I wanted people would hate it, almost no rewards besides a few uniforms and maybe the ability to recruit and sell delta race boffs for at least a month or twos play with no paying shortcuts or sponsoring alts... it's probably a good thing I don't work for cryptic.
I didn't say I had no interest in roleplaying I'd said if thats what I wanted to be doing I'ld be doing that not exploring. and I give it even odds. cryptic rarely adds things back in. they make new systems more often.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
I like the idea of making them more complex, but I can understand why the devs didn't. It tends to create random idiocy, like the Third Borg Dynasty.
My character Tsin'xing
An a system for paying us to developed content for their own game or do you and Cryptic expect us to produce free content for Star trek online?
You wonder why they would even add Borg as a word to the Genesis engine in the first place. They could have stuck dozens of races names in there but excluded the main ones such as the Klingons, Borg, Romulans.
Plus they could have developed the genesis engine further so it generated missions without so many bugs.
But that would have taken a lot of time away from developing content that was desperately needed in the game. Cryptic had less than 2 years to develop the game before launch and it shows.
The Borg dynasty is a perfect example of how much this system was neglected - why have "Borg" in the random name generator to begin with? Nobody ever paid muc attention to the system, yet it was a main selling point. If they had whole-arsed the thing it could and still has enough potential to make an interesting game. Half-arsing stuff, though, doesn't get you far.
I don't want to play down the effort something like this takes. I am well aware it takes work - that's a developers job, mind you. But since the initial release nobody touched that system ever again. Why? In five years?
This here is sad and true. It still shows exactly what parts were rushed, were resources were missing. To this day, you can put your claw right onto the spot that was rushed/neglected and they never filled the gaping holes. They just kept painting around the spots that needed fresh paint.
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But as far as clusters go, it's called DR now, recycled space ... haha
:P
It's mission, to destroy new worlds and civilizations
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
And to boldly ruin, what no one has ruined before.
Why does everyone want to sit behind a desk reading the reports of captains out having adventures?
Kirk said it himself, " Well let me tell you something. Don't! Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference."
The portion of STO that did the Exploration Clusters was supposed to be a big deal. A part of the game that made new content each time for the player. I remember the devs back then being very proud of it.
But as you said, STO very little development time and it showed quite badly. It took ages to make it more passable.
The Exploration Clusters needed fixing, refinement. Cryptic never really pushed for that. So they just removed it.
I consider the time between launch and LoR to be paid beta due to it being the point where Klingons actually being a faction. If Cryptic did the smart thing and not have a Klingons as a pvp faction until Klingons were ready, then it would have had a much shorter time being in paid beta.
It might sound odd but this "unknown" thingy was the greatest entertainment for me personally.
On the other hand I get my dillithium these days by playing foundry mission which are also on a... let's say... thin line between entertaining or boring or even broken (which Exploration cluster mission were sometime... sometimes)
:-)
I need something else besides endless grinding queues because there is simply nothing else to do but those
foundry is ok I guess but most foundry missions are bland in a way and they don't give a sense of exploration
I don't know why they removed the clusters anyway, they had potential in there, just not enough ideas, like locating abandoned ships and retrieving cargo and rare items, or following clues about ancient forgotten civs
I guess its easier to spit out a few new queues and ships once in a while and call it a game
theres loads of foundry missions that cover this nicely, not to mention all the other stuff in sto that is ideal for this kind of thing like 'aiding the deferi' for example.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
that a forum rule?
thread wasn't closed and you're not Stalin or Kim..... or are you?
Basic rule of thumb is if the subject is dead, just start a new thread rather than post in the dead one, as it will be closed by Mods instead of being addressed or discussed. So it is always a good idea to check the date of the last post before posting in a thread.
normal text = me speaking as fellow formite
colored text = mod mode
Oh and REMOVE THE FARKING WAIT TIMERS...
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
Maybe people prefer to inform people to avoid someone simply unfamiliar with the rules to get into actual moderation troubles with infractions or bans or what not?
What?!?! You want to take away people's self-made podiums from which they love to pontificate from?!? BLASPHEMY!!!