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flash525
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...so I get the reason why we don't have a third Risian starship this year (and we instead have a Ferengi vessel) but why exactly can't we obtain the Risian ships anymore? Where is the logic in locking players out of that content? :rolleyes:
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That's how it is from now on.
The last Winter event was the last one with the old even currency which was needed to unlock to older ships.
no need to be snarky about it..
the op just didnt know about what happened to them so they asked a simple question.
no need to be a **** about it.
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Like Angry Targ said, they're exclusive one time only items, simply because you don't agree with it doesn't make it "Illogical".
And I don't understand why people are so concerned about wanting to get the Risian ships,
They're not game breaking ships.
Sufficed to say Cryptic have made their decision and these threads are getting seriously annoying, asking the same question multiple times will not change the answer, and they need to be added to the FCT.
I'm not getting them; I generally don't bother with non-faction specific ships. I was however, curious (hence my asking).
I think it's bad practice to change release details. These aren't one-time obtainable items, and I doubt they were ever initially intended to be such. I can't imagine Cryptic envisioned T6 when they created the first Risian Event. Cryptic want people to play their game (and their summer/winter events) so logic would dictate that by making said ships available would boost playtime (especially for those that haven't acquired them previously).
Agreed! I may not like their change, but it is "their" game, and they will run it "their" way.
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Maybe. I blame Targ-PMS. But the load of threads complaining about ships being retired (which is not new, T5 Kamarang/Ambassador anyone?) start to get on my tail.
induperator spelled it out: For whatever reasons, Cryptic decided that they do not want to offer ships longer than their intented event anymore. None of these ships are mandatory, so a new player doesn't really miss out on anything aside from a ship-skin, all other players can unlock those ships permanently, free, for all times, infinitely reclaimable. Yes, new players don't get those ships - but they get superior ones instead.
Can't we just deal with it? Besides, I bet a flying squeal that we will see the Breen and Risa ships occasionally in "limited time reward packs" or in the Lobi store, eventually.
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So yes I understand limited time content and I will have be fine not getting the corvette but their logic for making these changes makes no sense. Keeping the content active gives players something else to play for which would in theory increase their metrics further. I feel this could have been a great change but the end result feels poorly executed.
Since you mention the anniversary... The borta and odyssey were not available after. Nor was the ambassador nor the dyson, nor is the samsar likely to be. They did implement alternate methods to gain some of these, but not all.
The first anniversary tribble horn has never reappeared not the third 's balloon horn.
If you didn't get the accolades during those events you can't get them now.
You can't get the Cochrane shotgun, mirror hakeev nor maria kilara marr. Nor the antiproton torpedo.
While we now have a tr116b, the tr116a is no longer available.
Some thing's are exclusive. Others return over and over. There is precedent in both directions.
I do wish the ships were still available, more importantly I dislike the precedent of deleting unfinished projects. But they are not doing something new with this decision.
But - again for whatever reasons I can't tell - this was exactly what didn't work out. See, I was lucky enough to grab all Breen ships last winter. To do that I had to visit the events a few times the year before and probably before that to save on the tokens so I did spent the same time as if I had grind for each ship seperately - but appearantly that doesn't help, so it's now one grind, one event. And to motivate people to do so they limit the reward to the event.
It's a pity for collectors, I get that. But it's not the end of the world. It's like people demanding the 25th anniversary sash and haircut because they didn't play back then - it's just the way it is, limited time reqard = reward for a limited time, not afterwards. That's not a concept so hard to grasp. And it shows that Cryptic is willing to change things retroactively - which is nothing new. Nothing you invest time in or pay for in STO is yours. It's all illusionary, you just get to play with the toys, they're not yours and anything can change tommorow. Maybe people realize that before spending 2000 bucks ont heir next lockbox.
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The Support Cruiser Retrofit and the Kamarag Battlecruiser Retrofit remain available as Fleet ships. You just can't get the free ones anymore. So yes, it is new.
The lobi store does seem a likely destination at least for the Samsar which, like the Anniversary DSD before it, contains the 4th set piece for a C-Store ship pack that they probably want to keep on selling. In fact I would've expected it to land there as soon as the event was over, but I guess it's possible they're delaying to (try to) avoid last year's whining from people who bought Qmendations with lobi to get the ship early and/or to avoid grinding, then being upset it was cheaper to buy the DSD from the lobi store after the event.
As for the Risan (and Breen?) ships, retiring them can only reduce participation in the event, so it seems counter-intuitive for them to do so at a time when the other changes to the event were explained as trying to increase play time.
I don't have these ships or the free Obelisk carrier.
Cryptic is giving me my third FREE T6 SHIP of the last year. I'm happy about that! I am not going to whine about not getting some onld T5 ships free too.
At most if you think you "need" these old ships because you're "a collector" or something then you should be asking Cryptic to add the ships to the lobi store.
. . . in one of the many existing threads.
Well...
"One time" "Exclusive" however you want to look at it it is meant to be an exclusive Item
Cryptic usually has disclaimers that explain that ships and their stats are subject to change even event ships, what Cryptic did is perfectly within their bounds, and as for new players we just had a massive event based around bridging the gap between new and existing players, I think they can survive without some "Exclusive colourful risian ships" there will be more free Tier 6 event ships in the future.
Those aren't the same ships (different requisition) and they are gated behind a fleet and rather hefty costs. The equivalent would be to put the Risian ships in the store for 2500 Zen - I doubt people would react well to that.
I think we can be certain about one thing: Cryptic/PWE knows exactly how to maximize player behaviour in their favour. My guess is having one reward ship with guaranteed, 25 day participation of the majority of players instead of irregular participation including quick "grabbing" of all rewards at day one from a few players is more favourable towards their goals.
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That 2nd event ship also the flagship-class of the FED/KDF. It doesn't really fall into the same category as an off-faction "variety" ship with canonically limited access to FED/KDF/RR captains.
Logic is like Spackle, you can throw anywhere between two factoids and it'll make something stick. Its not going to make a cohesive wall of sense, but its going to fill the space of an argument. :P
The way I think of it is this:
The event grind is a substantial time investment. For players to be encouraged to do it and to participate with future events the carrot on the stick needs to be IN ITSELF as big as possible. Now with more ships players may have more choice but this year there is a pretty big discrepancy between what the old, so-so [IMO] Risan ships can offer and what this well sorted Ferengi Sci warship can (ex. fleet-T6, on-ship perks, and a starship trait.) If cryptic allows players who weren't part of previous events to exercise their choice they could easily, in being new, choose badly [for them]. For the same effort as everyone else is making this year they'll get something less which spoils the grind and discourages future participation.
Ergo, a safety. You only get to pick the latest and greatest event ship (which generally ensures players find the biggest carrot possible). Want something else? Well that's where the rest of the game comes in.
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Last winter I ended up just grinding all 3 winter ships...I was planning to do that this year with the Risian ships.
I grabbed all the Breen ships as well and I played 3 characters so true I was lucky I invested the time increasing their metrics during that current event. Which is what I thought they wanted more people grinding at the current event. With the new setup I would not have qualified to get the the older ships therefore I would have only been able to grind one character for one ship. This equals less time playing so lowering metrics for the event.
I do not feel entitled that I own anything as it is just a game which I make a decision on how much time if any I invest and or any real money into it. I am not trying to make a point that these ships are mine and I am entitled to them I question the concept that Cryptic does not appear to grasp the concept of metrics and player retention. If something is worth the players time they will grind to get it or not, the choice is up to the player. Why limit in this case a few outdated Tier 5 ships. Yes limiting the reward to the event is great to get the current players to grind for the current ship for sure. Short term win for the company. But the logical thing would be to attract new players as well which helps in potential player investment and metrics. Long term win for the company if handled correctly. I know if I was a new player starting now seeing a lot of content I no longer can get may not help in me wanting to stick around or invest in this game.
When it comes down to it everyone has a different opinion on this subject and I respect everyone's. If you think like Cryptic and like the changes great and if you do not that is fine too. I do not like seeing people attack others for these opinions. It is just a game when it comes down to it and for all its flaws I still love to play it. I just want it to be around for a long time.
I don't know about the guy you are referring to, but no ... clearly, some people do have a dire need to be **** about it
to the OP, it's just a "this makes no sense" sort of thing, and I did read from a mod/dev that people at cryptic were painfully aware of how unhappy people were, it was nice to at least see that the message was received
nothing changed though, so, either the change just came from on high and they have to do it, or some slick talker in-house has convinced people that this is the way to go, or maybe it's group-think, or ???
no one really knows
EDIT: I did see someone mention the shotgun and AP torp, those events are likely to roll around again.
Balls. Removing the old ships doesn't guarantee anyone's participation. People who don't want the ship don't want the ship. All it does is make people who would've run the mission 75 times to get three ships to run it only 25 times to get one, and people who would've run it <25 times and finished next year to not run it at all.
STO players are a rare breed, however. Even those people who open multiple hate threads on the ship will most definitely grind it out. Because it's free. And again, I highly doubt they would change the mechanics to hurt their numbers. A lot of calculation went into this, you can be sure about that.
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I've been saving Lobi for months, I've got about 1300 and when it comes to the Summer and Winter Events, I'll normally blow it to get the "free" ship right away (well, usually I buy lock boxes on the fly and run up an enormous bill buying zen, but I've been saving EC, earning Dilithium, etc). ANYWAY, this year I transferred my character to Tribble, used the Lobi to get the Nandi and I'm really glad that I did...it would have been a terrible waste and after flying it, I'm not even going to bother playing that same game, over and over and over again for a month.