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This is two new Raptors, and not yet has Cryptic come out with a new BOP. I would love to see a Tier 6 intel version of the Hegh'Ta. Come on Cryptic, what about a little love for the Bird of Prey people 
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You never wondered what those "Unknown Entities" that show up in the Combat Log were did you?
Well, the Raptor couldn't keep up with the Bug
I would like to think the recent T6 Raptors will bring them fully up to par with the other faction Escorts. But I do want to see a T6 BOP, badly.
will not be released until their expanding the
Commando tree and make a BoP, t'varo and
defiant line
So, you are thinking that we will finally get a T6 BOP before we get the "Fleet" Guramba we were promised? Around the same time as T8 fleet ships....
Eclipse Class Intel Cruiser U.S.S. Dioscuria NX-91121-A - Interactive Crew Roster
That would be pretty brutal...if they did Defiant, T'varo, and...not a BoP.
On the other hand, it would leave the door open for them to try to do a 3pack of BoPs where they might not want to do a 3pack of the others.
Am I delusional? Yeah, no doubt, but it could give them the chance to do a Light Raider (Tac), Heavy Raider (Eng), and Scout Raider (Sci) sort of thing...with three new Starship Traits, etc, etc, etc.
Why do I think that? Same reason I believe they'll also do a Rom pack with some new Traits.
Lock Boxes.
They've got Fed Starship Traits that KDF and Rom want...but do they have KDF Traits that Rom and Fed want or Rom Traits that KDF or Fed want (much less can even use)...?
So in order to drop them out in boxes after saying "we waited" - they can't keep on waiting.
But I could be delusional...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LklFP1IG9KY
Uggh... I hope not. Why not just a stinkin regular T-6 Without a gimmic to try to rip people off more for a ship they actually want.
@Desdecardo since 2008.
Your other point about a BoP bundle... I dunno. The new normal since Delta Rising for ship releases is cross faction ship bundles with equivalent stats and themes (command cruisers/warbirds, pilot escorts/warbirds, 'iconic' ships etc), OR stand alones like the Pathfinder.
I can see them putting a B'Rel into an iconic ship pack mk 2 with the Defiant and T'Varo, on the other hand I can see them releasing a T6 B'Rel stand alone like the Pathfinder.
...And in the words of the immortal Francois de la Brioskee...
"EVERYBODY BOPS"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFq4E9XTueY
As to the OP, I was sort of hoping the Pilot ships would be BoPs, though performance-wise for once they keep up with their equivalents on the other side of the faction line. Seeing Raptors becoming viable ships is a very welcome change, especially given their prior history. The crew is still a liability, but at least they are in closer balance now.
I also worry that the T6 BoP will continue "paying too much" in return for its battle cloak... a subject we've all discussed at length. Maybe there's a good solution out there, maybe not... we'll see.
Maybe we could use our captured Fek'Ihri phase technology to make Klingon Battle Cloaks, and by extenstion BoPs, more viable by increasing survivability without increasing hull/shields. Enhanced Battle Cloaks would have to be considered "incompatible with Fek'Ihri technology" (either wholly or partially... say the phase only lasts 5 secs after cloaking, and can't fire torpedoes until the phase wears off) to maintain balance, but other Klingon cloaking devices could drop the ship out of phase while active. This wouldn't have a huge effect on standard Klingon Cloaks, but it would allow a BoP to actually escape using tactics that differ from a standard Escort/Raptor.
Maybe they could go the simple route, and reduce the "price" paid in shields/hull. Admittedly, this wouldn't be ideal; it's hard to determine the exact point where "squishiness" balances out against the strengths of a BoP, or at what point alleviating this weakness goes too far, and part of flying a BoP is that the ship itself enforces hit-and-run tactics. Personally, I'd look to the Faeht as a minimum hull/shield value for a BoP possessing a Battle Cloak, since it's role/play style is similar to a Klingon BoP and it has the added benefits of the Enhanced Battle Cloak and full payload/seating.
Of course that seating itself is another thing to address, costing not just the actual boff ability, but also a slot for a boff trait. Given that Universal seating isn't actually Universal anymore, the loss of both the station and the ability is a bit much for access to only half of the bridge officer ability categories. Yeah, I said half: Tac/Eng/Sci but no Intel/Command/Pilot... so only half of the categories in the game can be slotted in a Universal seat now. At this point in the game's development, BoPs need better seating...
In the end, though, BoPs themselves are a fun idea... but they are too squishy to properly handle the content we're getting at this point. Unless some design changes are made to the BoP, there's too much pet spam (Iconian frigates, probes, gates) for single-target designs, overly inflated hitpoints for spike tactics, and too much shield penetration for paper-tin hull. They work out in practice as being far more vulnerable than (I believe) they were ever really meant to be.
It was cheaper and better than anything cryptic could put together.
It will be glorious. Sci, and Eng fans will be crying for nerfs, in the months to come.:D
I've taken mine back to the shipyards several times since DR started.
First time was when I got one-shotted by a Borg Unimatrix torp spread during a Red Alert. Fighting that thing felt like a game of "rocket tag".
Another time after was being one-shotted drunken Iconian squids. They blunder into my ship and smash it to bits. So I boosted my turn rate and now they cant hit me. Also helps that their pilots are inebriated.
Yeah among problems with it in history of the KDF in this game its always suffered the problematic issue fed characters have with defiant cloak is being raptor doesn't require a console but there is not much reason with game mechanics to use the cloak or put on the ship since its not something you can actually use for coming up with a strategy with it.
Although being the raptors were so horrible in the ship line though along with that cloaking issue I do not see why with everything working against the alpha/beta quadrants with the iconians why the federation wouldn't have cloaks on a lot of their ships heh. What I mean by that is a useful cloak and revamp of how the enhanced battle cloak works too. Anyways here is to hoping something is done that can make the game enjoyable again.
I really think the BOP need a serious buff though, as others have said they aren't that viable against the newer content, even using hit and run tactics. The BOP's give up too much for the features like universal BOFF seating (which as stated above can only support 1/2 the BOFF types) and the battlecloak that all Romulan ships now have.
I can see why Cryptic haven't released one yet considering how few use them in today's end-game content. But that is again due to Cryptic and their poor game balance model.
I am kind of hoping for a bop revamp as far as where you have these intel, command, pilot, etc ships the bops really need a raider type seating/boff powers that fit to what a bop should be. As well as some built in mechanics like seen with intel and command ships that fit with what a raider should be doing which is hit and run.
Other thing is like the c-store brel and fleet brel the c-store one can use that costume from one of those lower tier bops where as the fleet version cannot get it. So really its kind of a bad situation for the KDF because you may have something but it doesn't work and you'd need to do something god like to get them to fix it.
Anyways here is to hoping they catch the wind before it blows away make the raiders and something to raid and people will make it rain with money.
I'm already saving my Zen up for it.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
I would buy them as well. Unless they looked like the B'rel.
In that case I'd throw up a little. Each time I saw one.
Slowly I would begin to drown in the stuff.
Blaurhgurglewugglesus....***
The next tier 6 ship will be a tier 6 mogh ( and an avenger )
*evil laugh*
If you don't believe me, check the site which shall not be mentioned.
LOL, how can you ruin it when Cryptic already has done that years ago
None of us were holding our breaths for a BOP, because we know how Cryptic does Non-Fed Faction Ship releases. Not like you guys expecting the Pilot Ships to be the Defiant. You guys set yourself up for that fall, even when I was presenting facts why it wasn't going to happen
But it is funny though: MOAR CRUISERS.
Edit: Well, I know we still have tons of Mogh fans, so they're going to be happy
The only reason I'm even HALF glad about this is that I happen to have 4 pieces of this sitting around. 2 Fed and 2 KDF.
And the other day before I saw the news I was like....well that was a waste.
Now, I'm like.....well seems I'm not done wasting money here after all!