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PHOTONS!!! BE FREE! Free the professor!!! Free James Moriarty!!!!
hakaze
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James Moriarty was one of the, if not the very first sentient photonic lifeform every created by star fleet. His attempt to take control over the enterprise does not make him a security risk, he merely tried to gain his own freedom in a time where it was not yet feasible for a holographic lifeform. With the mass production of personal holographic emitters, the professor and his girlfriend should finally be freed!!!!
Please free the professor from his imprisonment without trial, star fleet is not the obsidian order!!!
The Professor was imprisoned for over 40 years it is time to reintegrate him into society now that sentient photonic life forms have rights, his imprisonment is a gross breach of federation law!!!!
PHOTONS BE FREE!!!!!
PS: no I'm not a pro hologram terrorist!
But seriously I'd save up zen to pay for his bail or dilithium to finance the production of his own emitter! I don't care if he shows up in the story or not or is left to his own devices but please free the poor sap!
Please free the professor from his imprisonment without trial, star fleet is not the obsidian order!!!
The Professor was imprisoned for over 40 years it is time to reintegrate him into society now that sentient photonic life forms have rights, his imprisonment is a gross breach of federation law!!!!
PHOTONS BE FREE!!!!!
PS: no I'm not a pro hologram terrorist!
But seriously I'd save up zen to pay for his bail or dilithium to finance the production of his own emitter! I don't care if he shows up in the story or not or is left to his own devices but please free the poor sap!
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(Daniel Davis is still around and still acting, most recently in Gotham, so he might be up for it.)
Therefore, the one to free him will likely be the Soong Foundation.
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Moriarty and his girlfriend were downloaded into an external hard drive. So it is likely that when the Enterprise-D docked at the next starbase, the external hard drive was given to the proper authorities. If the external hard drive was only on board for a short period of time, then there is no way that the Enterprise-D getting destroyed would destroy Moriarty. It is likely that he is being poked and prodded by Federation scientists to figure out why he is sentient.
You know, there is a facility where Starfleet keeps its most dangerous prisoners.
Which happens to be commanded by a photonic lifeform.
Not that the Warden looks a little familiar, or that who better to run a prison that perhaps a master criminal himself...
that was in 2392 so 18 years ago! it's time to let PHOTONS BE FREE!! don't make me hand out "I brake for photonic lifeforms" stickers! :P
but yeah, jokes aside. the mobile holoemitters saw a great boost in developement with the new energy cells developed for personal shields and they saw wide deployment around 2409 heck even the maddened hologram on drozana had one. And if the galaxy ever needed the aid of hyper intelligent fast improving beings like Moriarty it's now as the Iconians attack. The least they should do is have a proper court hearing about his future. Now that sentient holograms have rights, they owe the first of em at least the courtesy of due process that even tal shiar terrorists got.
Doing this in a society which is ill equipped to even understand the motivations of such a mind would almost guarantee Moriarty would be running the Federation as his own private fiefdom in about a month.
Next, imagine this hologram deciding the Borg Collective needs to be taken over and repurposed to serve him. I do not believe for a second the Queen could stop him.
Now Moriarty looks about after two successful takeovers and finds the Ferengi. A people with whom he would have some common ground and interests. Pragmatists that they are, they'd probably come to him with a deal he could not refuse, just to get a piece of the action.
Finally, he discovers the existence of the Terran Empire. These people are just what the doctor ordered as far as Moriarty is concerned. So he makes common cause with them and eventually takes them over as well.
Leave him where he is. Unless the Q Continuum decides to declare war on the Alliance. That would be the only way I'd let him out. And even then the only way I'd approve his release was if the Q decided to blow up the Milky Way all at once.
now thats an exaggeration if ever there was one, quite a significant one as well. i wont play along with that but i will tell you that the holodeck character was created by the computer with the ability to outsmart data, unfortunately the computer complied too well, it was more an accident in thought at the time between pulaski and data then something deliberately created. and moriary never served in starfleet and was likely created by a civilian group, so there is that as well.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
thats assuming that the moriary character was ever remembered again. look at what happened to him the first time. only by accident by reginald did the whole thing come up again. its likely the holoprojector was plugged into the power systems and computer archives and then left forgotten again, even after the ent-d destruction. probably recovered from the wreck years later.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
There is a discrepancy in that episode. Moriarty drew an outline of the Enterprise on a piece of photonic paper. So by all aspects of the episode that paper should have vanished when it left the holodeck, but Data is seen carrying it and showing it to Captain Picard.
If the paper could have left the holodeck, why couldn't Moriarty?
Answer The writers said so.
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well according to memory alpha
"Moriarty paved the way for several sentient holographic characters throughout the franchise, including Vic Fontaine and The Doctor. In fact, the holographic Moriarty was a direct forebear to The Doctor; about one week before the latter character started to be developed, "Holo-Moriarty" was noted by Jeri Taylor as a possible source of inspiration. (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager)"
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I say this :O
""You or someone asked your computer to program a nefarious fictional character from nineteenth century London and that is how I arrived... but I am no longer that creation. I am no longer that character, I have changed. I am alive I am aware of my own consciousness."
- Moriarty, on his evolution"
sure he endangered the enterprise, but that was merely for the strongest desire that exists. wanting to be free. He now can, and that without taking people hostage!!
thats not canon, thats an opinion.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I'd have to reject that as wrong.
"The first hologram who attained true sentience was a simulation of James Moriarty. Upon being made sentient, he demanded that Jean-Luc Picard enable him to leave the confines of the holodeck, despite it not being technologically possible at the time. However, after seizing control of the USS Enterprise-D, he was placed in a virtual reality where he could live out his existence. (TNG: "Ship in a Bottle")"
The first hologram who was able to truly exercise its sentience was the EMH of the USS Voyager
so while moriarty was the first to obtain sentience the doctor was the first to properly enjoy his <-<
I'm curious to how the professor has grown since he was put in that simulation in the external harddisk.
Some objects in the holodeck are real (i.e. made from a replicator). Presumably, the piece of paper was.
That's how Wesley was still wet from holographic water in that one episode.
I can answer this one:
"A holodeck combines elements of transporter technology with that of replicators, by generating actual matter, as well as projecting force fields to give the objects the illusion of substance. "
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Holodeck
Using said principles a piece of paper can be replicated, but a person cannot.
Also, it would be interesting to have Moriarty as a character in STO, even if just a secondary character standing in a social zone like Mackenzie Calhoun
Moriarty was referenced in the Alter Ego episode of Voyager. Although, he is not referenced by name.
CHAKOTAY: Most likely a sentient computer program. I checked the Starfleet database. This kind of thing has happened before. The Enterprise-D under Picard was once taken over by a holocharacter.
KIM: We studied that case at the Academy. It gained control of the ship from inside the holodeck.
So it has become public knowledge for Starfleet Officers to know about Moriarty. It is far more likely for Moriarty to be stuck in some location like Warehouse 13 where all dangerous technology and artifacts are stored than for him to be still stuck on the Enterprise-D when it was destroyed.
That would actually make an interesting Star Trek series, the Star Trek version of Warehouse 13.
Replicators are a necessity in the holodeck or there is no point in eating the food there. Holographic food has zero calories, no preservatives, no nutritional benefit, and most importantly no taste. Although it would be interesting if thousands of years from now, energy could be created that simulates our taste buds in a certain way to give the illusion of taste. Although, neural interfaces are a far easier way to simulate taste since taste, touch, and smell are all just electrical impulses as far as our brain is concerned.
Okay, so he wants to be free. Which was his motivation for his behavior in the first place.
Now what?
How long do you think it will take for him to learn what he wants to learn about, ahem, 'modern society'? And how long after that do you think it will be before he becomes terribly bored because he has nothing to do?
Let's see, a criminal mastermind reproduced as a hologram with too much time on his hands. I'm guessing about it will take 0.02 nanoseconds before he reverts to type. It certainly did not take him very long to outwit everyone on ENT-D, did it?
He discovers he has been, in effect, imprisoned for the past forty years. Worse, denied any existence at all. Go back and read Sir Arthur's books to see what Moriarty did to Holmes and Watson for merely thwarting his plans. Now think hard about what he will do to people who did far worse to him. And he will do so. Professor James Moriarty has a serious thirst for revenge which would remain unslaked.
Given the opportunity, he'd probably create holograms of Holmes and Watson which were less effective than the originals but matched them in every other way. Why? To gloat of course.
That hard drive needs to be reduced to subatomic particles immediately for the good of the entire galaxy. Let alone the Federation.
so you fail to provide proof and when i challenge the claim you dont wish to come out to defend it? how can you disagree with something that doesnt yet exist?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
cute but I won't fall for that, you completely ignored the proof and explanation listed below that statement and took it out of context. naughty.
Is the EMH know as the Doctor considered alive. Well yes, according to Federation Law (at least in STO), he is. Much like Data, Exocomps, Wesleys Nanites and other Created Lifeforms". Therefore a case can be strongly argued that Legal Precedent should apply, both for Moriarty and the Countess Regina Bartholomew, both of whom have shown Self Awareness beyond a simple hologram (an argument could possibly be made for Vic Fontaine as well, though Im not sure if he even seeks it).
Ok, Next, is his Incarseration reasonable or just under said federation law? Well, at the time I think an argument could be made for yes, but that was 30+ STO years ago, and as per the original agreement (before the birth of the Countess), once it was possible for him to leave the Holodeck, we were supposed to help him do so. It seems that only by at least offering him the option to join us in the real world or stay in the matrix is the right thing to do.
Why? or Where is the Benefit? (although one should not ask the question where is the benefit when it comes to doing the right thing) He (and the Countess) are geniuses, smart enough to "defeat Data, so its safe to say they could have something to add to the Federation (Iconian War aside). And I thought they are actually being stored at the Daystrom Institute, that seems like a perfect place for them to re-acclimate into society. (also in game it could give us a couple of new Duty Officers, an Advisor-Countess Regina, and Research Lab Scientist-Moriarty)
But what of his previous behavior? Did he take extreme measures, yes. But he didnt kill anyone, at all, and was fighting (from his point of view) for his very survival. And remember that was right after hed spent 5 years in Limbo, aware but disembodied. Frankly under those circumstances I think his response was pretty tame, as weve seen less desperate people take more extreme action. I think he is deserving of another chance.
Saucer section was mostly intact. I assume the Saucer and Battle Sections have raid hard drives....
The Enterprise-D was destroyed in 2371
Moriaty wasn't in the enterprises memory at the time... He was removed from the computer core at the end of the episode.
So if we implement a modified Turing Test to determine if a machine is sentient, then humans will have to be tested as well? IMO, the Turing Test is flawed since it works by fooling a human to think a machine is human as well. Therefore, machines will have to think and act like humans to pass the test. Machine sentience would be different from human sentience due to humans and machines having different hardware, software, and peripherals.