So, we are probably getting the Dominion arc finally Fall of next year. This is just the beginning as the Changlings could easily replace the Iconians as the next Threat or at least problem. Personally, I hope that they write the reason better than basic revenge or typical bad guy motives, as the Undine and the Iconians seem to have too much in common. The Undine had more depth in Voyager, but not they are all "weak shall perish" TRIBBLE, which is disappointing.
The Iconians would be more interesting if we found out why the other races rebelled and how the Iconians were even overwhelmed , but I guess that is asking too much. Again it would be nice if the Borg got a new Iconian Queen out of these encounters, and if that is the reason why the Dominion start moving again, but I guess cause and effect is asking too much for the way STO has been going. Just finally having Cardassians involved will be fine enough for me, long as they are NOT a sub-faction, though that might require Romulans to be fixed also.
... it would be nice if the Borg got a new Iconian Queen out of these encounters, and if that is the reason why the Dominion start moving again, but I guess cause and effect is asking too much for the way STO has been going. Just finally having Cardassians involved will be fine enough for me, long as they are NOT a sub-faction, though that might require Romulans to be fixed also.
Isn't Rebecca Simmons already an Iconian Borg Queen? At least she fits the description by hovering in the last room at infected. :P
The Dominon are personally more of a Threat than the Undine and the Borg as they have never been converted or defeated by either, but DS9 was so poorly written when it came to that war that the Changelings were downplayed by the Undine.
Well, an deus ex machine (the borg couldnt adapt their nanites against the undine but the doctor can, yeah...) vs. an virus build from one of the most hidden intellegence agencies. I wouldnt say they were downplayed, if you would risk loosing your god (all your gods), wouldnt you surrender to any defeat? Especially if its one of those Feds "withdraw and never return and everything will be fine"- things.
We have yet to see if they had engaged each other or not. Though in KGx you will see assimilated JemHadar.
I fathom they will come to our aid in some sort. Maybe we open an gateway to the gamma quadrant, drawing enemies there and the dominion things its better to ally with us for the times being (at least for the fight) then with the iconians (or one of their servants).
At least the release of the female changeling might come in handy now.
So, we are probably getting the Dominion arc finally Fall of next year. This is just the beginning as the Changlings could easily replace the Iconians as the next Threat or at least problem. Personally, I hope that they write the reason better than basic revenge or typical bad guy motives, as the Undine and the Iconians seem to have too much in common. The Undine had more depth in Voyager, but not they are all "weak shall perish" TRIBBLE, which is disappointing.
The Iconians would be more interesting if we found out why the other races rebelled and how the Iconians were even overwhelmed , but I guess that is asking too much. Again it would be nice if the Borg got a new Iconian Queen out of these encounters, and if that is the reason why the Dominion start moving again, but I guess cause and effect is asking too much for the way STO has been going. Just finally having Cardassians involved will be fine enough for me, long as they are NOT a sub-faction, though that might require Romulans to be fixed also.
Well isn't it kinda obvious why they rebelled? They didn't like being controlled by the Iconians...if a alien race invaded Earth today and took control of it don't you think the Human race would try to rebel?
The second part isn't as obvious...it is said that with the power of the gateways the Iconians never really built many space vessels...so they bombarded Iconia from space.
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Isn't Rebecca Simmons already an Iconian Borg Queen? At least she fits the description by hovering in the last room at infected. :P
no. Actually if you had a detailed conversation with the officer you need to start the IGA countdown, you'd see that Simmons was using a pair of rocket boots in an effort to get over the borg
no. Actually if you had a detailed conversation with the officer you need to start the IGA countdown, you'd see that Simmons was using a pair of rocket boots in an effort to get over the borg
Which is kinda interesting now, as she was not on board of the escape pods we secure in fluidic space but her ship has been destroyed. Seems like they introduced an story inconsistency.
The Dominion making a renewed threat against us just doesn't make any sense. It will not happen. Allies in the war against the Iconian is a strong possibility, other than that, I don't see them showing up.
Which is kinda interesting now, as she was not on board of the escape pods we secure in fluidic space but her ship has been destroyed. Seems like they introduced an story inconsistency.
Is the dominion a threat after the foes we have taken on in the past year (sto timeline).
If there's one thing that DS9 era Federation and STO era Federation have been weak against, it's infiltration. Despite being infiltrated several times by the Dominion, Species 8472, Bluegills (TWICE now), the Alpha Quadrant's largest military and political power has repeatedly shown incompetence or blissful ignorance of such threats.
There's no reason why the Founders can't throw the Alliance into the shredders again. The Federation are a bunch of idiots these days and will fall for every play in the Dirty Book of Espionage and Subterfuge
I think if the game is going to continue happily after the Iconians it's going to have to do something different. The Dominion may be a powerful force, but they are not going to feel as important as the Iconians with their 5 year buildup.
I could actually see a pvp season with the breakdown of the alliance. Or perhaps a full scale mirror war. The mirror thing could be built slowly like the Iconians were. And we could have sexy bad guys and whatnot.
Or perhaps we could go on some sort of exploration hunt to find something or solve a mystery. Something different anyway.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I think if the game is going to continue happily after the Iconians it's going to have to do something different. The Dominion may be a powerful force, but they are not going to feel as important as the Iconians with their 5 year buildup.
I could actually see a pvp season with the breakdown of the alliance. Or perhaps a full scale mirror war. The mirror thing could be built slowly like the Iconians were. And we could have sexy bad guys and whatnot.
Or perhaps we could go on some sort of exploration hunt to find something or solve a mystery. Something different anyway.
The Dominion isn't going to war with the Alpha Quadrant. Not anytime soon, not with Odo being in the Link. If anything, they're going to join in the war against the Iconians.
As far as what else to fight, well, we can kill the Q next. That's how you 1-Up the Iconian War and it's perfectly feasible once the Q Plot Armor comes off, just like it will with the Iconians.
^That is why I would say more of a deeper, well written resurgance than a "threat". They would require more subtlety and maybe just manipulating things as everyone has been focusing on the Iconians...
...The Dominon are personally more of a Threat than the Undine and the Borg as they have never been converted or defeated by either, but DS9 was so poorly written when it came to that war that the Changelings were downplayed by the Undine
Most of the antagonists in Star Trek have either been badly written or ret-conned into generic bad guy fodder.
Personally, I hugely disliked everything about the Dominion. They had to be better-er and badder-er than all the other bad guys that came before them. Also, Breen space magic. While I dislike the Dominion, I loathe the Breen.
Is the dominion a threat after the foes we have taken on in the past year (sto timeline).
My prediction is that the Dominion will wind up helping us in the final push against the Iconians but will end up seizing control of VAST resources for themselves. Maybe the gateway network. Maybe a Preserver genetics lab.
We rely on the Dominion to help us win. The Dominion raids the Iconian tech and/or Temporal tech and/or a second Preserver archive and says, "Ha! Suckers. Surrender to us now." And Sela turns around and says, "Oh. By the way, I'm joining the Dominion now."
^This would be the dumbest thing in the UNIVERSE. There are other races that aren't even close to the Q's power that the federation couldn't take on including by not limited to, the Prophets, Nagilum, Douwd, and the Organians wouldn't even consider this whole war or alliance a threat, so what the world make you think we could take on the Q? It is laughable. Also, as old as the Perservers were, they obviously were limited in their understanding of mult-idimensions as the Q have admitted to being 4 billions or more years old. This means the Perservers really only seeded species that were millions of years old, and only as far as they could travel. This is almost like explaining to Galactus that even he is a pebble when compared to the Death, Eternity, and the Living Tribunal. There are super powerful beings, and then there are being that are so far beyond mortal understand that they simple are Gods, these are the Q.
And the Iconians were supposed to be "All that and a bag of chips" but we're about to curbstomp the living **** out of them
NEXT!
Nothing gets in the way of Player Victory. Haven't you noticed that in the STO story arcs?
Story arc idea: The Alliance of FSP, Romulans (RSE and RR), and KDF loses the war against the Iconians. Homeworlds are oppressively occupied and heavily patrolled in sector space by Iconians. A rebellion simmers until it gains enough membership and enough equipment to attempt a coup. The Iconians cannot believe that anything could possibly happen, especially after frequent captures, interrogations, and executions of coup leaders on each homeworld. The coup fails. But on another world (perhaps led by a Changeling or a Jem'Hadar or a Ferengi -- I would suggest a Changeling and a Betazoid), a supposedly dead world far from the vigilant eyes of the Iconians and their non-Iconian spies, what the Iconians fear most has begun and moves forward. The Iconians may not entirely win or entirely lose, but they finally have an enemy or a coalition of enemies that will do whatever it takes to fight back, to regain control of their homeworlds (perhaps with the assistance of the Undine, who have switched sides, from serving the Iconians to fighting them).
^You misunderstand the timeline if you think the Iconians conquered the other races when they were already developed. What I think is the Iconians were the Perservers first children, and advanced much further than even the other space exploring races today, but as other races started to advance, the Iconians would come and offer "some" of their technology in exchange for servitude, that is why the other races are called servitor races. The Iconians had no prime directive, they believed as the first of the children they had the right to oversee the galaxy. Then for some reason one of the races rebelled, but there is not explanation of a turning point, and there also is no explanation of how as it seems none of the current servitors have enough power to do anything so how did the old ones build up enough technology with other servitors helping the Iconians?
There is a significant amount of growth left in this story, but it needs much better writers, so we probably won't get a good explanation.
Except it wasn't just one race...it was a coalition of forces that grouped together...why I believe the Iconians may have enslaved them.
Which could also be the reason why they have servitor races now, they bit off more than they could chew and they know that they can't take on the galaxy alone...the fact that they're afraid to take on the Dominion without control of the alpha and beta quadrant powers also lends to this theory.
They need more than just themselves to rule the galaxy...and it's better to have loyal races enforcing your will than just trying to control everything through fear.
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I cannot imagine the Dominion being provoked enough by anything the Alpha(Or is it now Beta? lol) Quadrant powers do or do not to risk genocide of their gods. The Feds wouldn't resort to something so drastic, but the Empire wouldn't hesitate for a second to decapitate the Dominion.
Having the Dominion join the fight against the Heralds(Have we seen any more than a few Iconians anywhere?) would be interesting. However it would be a continuation of what we have now. More of the same as it were. I cannot speak for others but careening wildly from conflict to conflict in an apparently never ending treadmill of new Reputations and STFs has become a little boring. The game is sort of in a rut and something radical has to be done to lift it out of this.
I think I'd like to get away from all this "save the Galaxy before sundown" stuff. Devs removed the Exploration clusters because they had too many random maps on the servers and too few ways to properly recreate an Episode from the series where exploration and First Contact were the primary focus.
Although I do not PvP, I clearly see the need within this game for those who do. When parts of the playerbase get discounted or disenfranchised, eventually all of us do. Some real love for the PvP crowd really should be high on the list of what's next.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
And the Iconians were supposed to be "All that and a bag of chips" but we're about to curbstomp the living **** out of them
NEXT!
Nothing gets in the way of Player Victory. Haven't you noticed that in the STO story arcs?
You know what would be kinda neat? Requiring players to successfully complete a series of missions with a bar like they used with the Delta stuff....and if we didn't achieve a certain goal, the bad guys take over certain parts of the quadrants or some such....making them inaccessible? Just spitballing here.
I think I'd like to get away from all this "save the Galaxy before sundown" stuff. Devs removed the Exploration clusters because they had too many random maps on the servers and too few ways to properly recreate an Episode from the series where exploration and First Contact were the primary focus.
Exploration was what the Starfleet of the TV shows told themselves they were doing. What they were really doing was delivering supplies to colonies, checking up on colonies they had lost contact with, looking for places to put new colonies, and chasing rival expansionist empires away from their colonies. Star Trek began as an allegory about the Cold War. Cold wars turn hot sometimes.
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Isn't Rebecca Simmons already an Iconian Borg Queen? At least she fits the description by hovering in the last room at infected. :P
Well, an deus ex machine (the borg couldnt adapt their nanites against the undine but the doctor can, yeah...) vs. an virus build from one of the most hidden intellegence agencies. I wouldnt say they were downplayed, if you would risk loosing your god (all your gods), wouldnt you surrender to any defeat? Especially if its one of those Feds "withdraw and never return and everything will be fine"- things.
We have yet to see if they had engaged each other or not. Though in KGx you will see assimilated JemHadar.
I fathom they will come to our aid in some sort. Maybe we open an gateway to the gamma quadrant, drawing enemies there and the dominion things its better to ally with us for the times being (at least for the fight) then with the iconians (or one of their servants).
At least the release of the female changeling might come in handy now.
Well isn't it kinda obvious why they rebelled? They didn't like being controlled by the Iconians...if a alien race invaded Earth today and took control of it don't you think the Human race would try to rebel?
The second part isn't as obvious...it is said that with the power of the gateways the Iconians never really built many space vessels...so they bombarded Iconia from space.
no. Actually if you had a detailed conversation with the officer you need to start the IGA countdown, you'd see that Simmons was using a pair of rocket boots in an effort to get over the borg
Which is kinda interesting now, as she was not on board of the escape pods we secure in fluidic space but her ship has been destroyed. Seems like they introduced an story inconsistency.
yes, I did notice that. Maybe Trendy can fix it?
If there's one thing that DS9 era Federation and STO era Federation have been weak against, it's infiltration. Despite being infiltrated several times by the Dominion, Species 8472, Bluegills (TWICE now), the Alpha Quadrant's largest military and political power has repeatedly shown incompetence or blissful ignorance of such threats.
There's no reason why the Founders can't throw the Alliance into the shredders again. The Federation are a bunch of idiots these days and will fall for every play in the Dirty Book of Espionage and Subterfuge
Wait... who's in charge of DS9 now? Oh! :eek:
I could actually see a pvp season with the breakdown of the alliance. Or perhaps a full scale mirror war. The mirror thing could be built slowly like the Iconians were. And we could have sexy bad guys and whatnot.
Or perhaps we could go on some sort of exploration hunt to find something or solve a mystery. Something different anyway.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
The Dominion isn't going to war with the Alpha Quadrant. Not anytime soon, not with Odo being in the Link. If anything, they're going to join in the war against the Iconians.
As far as what else to fight, well, we can kill the Q next. That's how you 1-Up the Iconian War and it's perfectly feasible once the Q Plot Armor comes off, just like it will with the Iconians.
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Subtlety. I see. So, more BFAW?
Most of the antagonists in Star Trek have either been badly written or ret-conned into generic bad guy fodder.
Personally, I hugely disliked everything about the Dominion. They had to be better-er and badder-er than all the other bad guys that came before them. Also, Breen space magic. While I dislike the Dominion, I loathe the Breen.
My prediction is that the Dominion will wind up helping us in the final push against the Iconians but will end up seizing control of VAST resources for themselves. Maybe the gateway network. Maybe a Preserver genetics lab.
We rely on the Dominion to help us win. The Dominion raids the Iconian tech and/or Temporal tech and/or a second Preserver archive and says, "Ha! Suckers. Surrender to us now." And Sela turns around and says, "Oh. By the way, I'm joining the Dominion now."
And the Iconians were supposed to be "All that and a bag of chips" but we're about to curbstomp the living **** out of them
NEXT!
Nothing gets in the way of Player Victory. Haven't you noticed that in the STO story arcs?
Just an idea.
Except it wasn't just one race...it was a coalition of forces that grouped together...why I believe the Iconians may have enslaved them.
Which could also be the reason why they have servitor races now, they bit off more than they could chew and they know that they can't take on the galaxy alone...the fact that they're afraid to take on the Dominion without control of the alpha and beta quadrant powers also lends to this theory.
They need more than just themselves to rule the galaxy...and it's better to have loyal races enforcing your will than just trying to control everything through fear.
it's not a curbstomp. You're winning small victories while the alliance gets slaughtered
Having the Dominion join the fight against the Heralds(Have we seen any more than a few Iconians anywhere?) would be interesting. However it would be a continuation of what we have now. More of the same as it were. I cannot speak for others but careening wildly from conflict to conflict in an apparently never ending treadmill of new Reputations and STFs has become a little boring. The game is sort of in a rut and something radical has to be done to lift it out of this.
I think I'd like to get away from all this "save the Galaxy before sundown" stuff. Devs removed the Exploration clusters because they had too many random maps on the servers and too few ways to properly recreate an Episode from the series where exploration and First Contact were the primary focus.
Although I do not PvP, I clearly see the need within this game for those who do. When parts of the playerbase get discounted or disenfranchised, eventually all of us do. Some real love for the PvP crowd really should be high on the list of what's next.
You know what would be kinda neat? Requiring players to successfully complete a series of missions with a bar like they used with the Delta stuff....and if we didn't achieve a certain goal, the bad guys take over certain parts of the quadrants or some such....making them inaccessible? Just spitballing here.
Exploration was what the Starfleet of the TV shows told themselves they were doing. What they were really doing was delivering supplies to colonies, checking up on colonies they had lost contact with, looking for places to put new colonies, and chasing rival expansionist empires away from their colonies. Star Trek began as an allegory about the Cold War. Cold wars turn hot sometimes.