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It's hinted in the Iconian Rep that Sela's in the Gamma Quadrant, trying to bring the Dominion into the war.
all you got is a few details that she contacted a dominion rep, its a long way from making the assumption that she is "trying to bring" the dominion into the war. anyone doing t5 rep yet and posted a pic of the last text message from sela? assuming there is one.
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^Again you are comparing Mutant level power to Cosmic. Iconians were created by flesh, space travelling species NOT by being from a higher plan. You seriously need to do some more research on the difference. Just to help you out the Iconians need ships to destroy planets and can be shot down; however, the Q use Stars as Bullets. Not in the same league.
They don't use stars as bullets. When they fight among themselves, stars might incidentally be blown up.
Q's are a plot device.
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So, we are probably getting the Dominion arc finally Fall of next year. This is just the beginning as the Changlings could easily replace the Iconians as the next Threat or at least problem. Personally, I hope that they write the reason better than basic revenge or typical bad guy motives, as the Undine and the Iconians seem to have too much in common. The Undine had more depth in Voyager, but not they are all "weak shall perish" TRIBBLE, which is disappointing.
The Iconians would be more interesting if we found out why the other races rebelled and how the Iconians were even overwhelmed , but I guess that is asking too much. Again it would be nice if the Borg got a new Iconian Queen out of these encounters, and if that is the reason why the Dominion start moving again, but I guess cause and effect is asking too much for the way STO has been going. Just finally having Cardassians involved will be fine enough for me, long as they are NOT a sub-faction, though that might require Romulans to be fixed also.
For the record:
A Cardashian Faction is a very horrible idea.
The Borg will make a great Faction.
The Dominion (without Cardashians) will make a great Faction.
The Maquis will make a great Faction...although I won't object to Cardashians being part of that.
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For the record:
A Cardashian Faction is a very horrible idea.
The Borg will make a great Faction.
The Dominion (without Cardashians) will make a great Faction.
The Maquis will make a great Faction...although I won't object to Cardashians being part of that.
So you want the "bad guys" ... never gonna happen ... they still have to shoehorn every new Faction into the "great Alliance" playing the same content ...
PS : And seriously Cardassians being part of the Maquis ? ... good one ...
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For the record:
A Cardashian Faction is a very horrible idea.
I dunno - Kim could probably defeat the Iconians herself, by boring them to death with an endless stream of selfies.
Anyhoo, I don't think a renewed Dominion threat is where STO is going at all. Remember why the Delta Recruits are a thing: Because the Iconians have an Achilles' heel - their inability to travel or otherwise operate across time. Well, unless the Iconians are dumb as rocks, they'll eventually recruit proxies to do their temporal dirty work for them. (Indeed, I'm working on a Foundry mission about just that.) Which, in turn, screams Temporal Cold War.
I dunno - Kim could probably defeat the Iconians herself, by boring them to death with an endless stream of selfies.
Anyhoo, I don't think a renewed Dominion threat is where STO is going at all. Remember why the Delta Recruits are a thing: Because the Iconians have an Achilles' heel - their inability to travel or otherwise operate across time. Well, unless the Iconians are dumb as rocks, they'll eventually recruit proxies to do their temporal dirty work for them. (Indeed, I'm working on a Foundry mission about just that.) Which, in turn, screams Temporal Cold War.
I see what you did there :P
But I have to agree with him...a Cardashian faction would be a horrible idea!
But a Cardassian faction...that would be fun!
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^Not really, I think that is just a Borg Queen technology power.
It isn't, its starfleet tech if you read through all the dialogue options, you are told she went down there with a pair of anti-gravity boots to try to avoid the Borg.
For the record:
A Cardashian Faction is a very horrible idea.
The Borg will make a great Faction.
The Dominion (without Cardashians) will make a great Faction.
The Maquis will make a great Faction...although I won't object to Cardashians being part of that.
A Borg Faction would be a worse idea than a Cardassian faction, and a Maquis Faction? What? :rolleyes:
A Cardassian Faction has the potential to work similar to how the Republic works, and that's likely how they would be dealt. The same can be said for any faction at this point to be honest. Cryptic are never going to add a true (independent) third faction to the game; the implementation of such simply requires far too much forethought at this point (unless it's a faction that has nothing to do with the Alpha/Beta powers).
There's only two independent factions I'd care to see; the first is the Dominion in all their glory, but not as the enemy, more as an antihero (similar to how the KDF is intended). The other faction would be an entirely new one (new species, new ships, new everything - and probably from the far reaches of the Delta Quadrant) but I know that isn't going to happen.
STO should have been a fully capable multi-faction game since launch. The KDF was in pieces at launch, thankfully it's been fixed up a lot since those days. However STO should have launched with more factions, and a better KDF (female Nausicaan for starters) and a third of fourth faction should have been included for variation. It wasn't. It'll never be that way, and outside of the FED & KDF no other faction is going to be worth my time anymore.
A Dominion Arc isn't going to happen soon, if it does.
However the Gamma Quadrant is the last place we really still don't have access to that was part of trek shows...stable wormhole and all and we haven't been there in 5 years (minus a fe)
What would be interesting is to see a brand new bad guy that is actually 100% cryptic made...The dominion had control of the gamma, or so they say, even in the ds9 episodes we didn't see much of the gamma quadrant, what if they had formed the dominion as a way to stop whatever else was in the gamma quadrant?
Which makes it even more plausible to create this issue...dominion was formed to stop unknown bad guy threat, iconian war going on so dominion joins in, however this leaves the back door open for the new bad guy to steamroll the gamma quardant since no one is there protecting it.
Thus we get a full expansion whatever of the Dominion with Gamma Quadrant, new exploration since most of the gamma is never shown, the dominion along with all their species as a new faction, perhaps even their old allies, cardassians....
I mean it worked for the kdf to have a hodge podge of different factions to help flesh out the fleet itself, could easily be doable for the dominion.
The Dominion was formed as a response to persecution of shapeshifters due to fear and prejudice from solids a few thousand years ago.
So the Changelings genetically engineered a couple of servitor races to subdue the solids and end them being hunted down by becoming the suppressors.
That is pretty much established canon fact.
With the reintroduction of Odo back into the link there likely is a voice for a more moderate approach to solids from his experience among them that is likely going to be picked up at least by some other changelings and might instigate change over time.
My prediction is that the Dominion will wind up helping us in the final push against the Iconians but will end up seizing control of VAST resources for themselves. Maybe the gateway network. Maybe a Preserver genetics lab.
We rely on the Dominion to help us win. The Dominion raids the Iconian tech and/or Temporal tech and/or a second Preserver archive and says, "Ha! Suckers. Surrender to us now." And Sela turns around and says, "Oh. By the way, I'm joining the Dominion now."
I'd buy that for a dollar. Get a instant repeat of Inabrin Tang or whatever Garaks dad's name was. Talshiar , Obsidian Order , and maybe a group of changlings with Odos memories , but a bad case of good intentions that developes as they are trying to follow Odos examples, but just like an Odo personality trait flaw , they see as making these bad alliances as the only way to save the Alpha Quadrant , but instead they are being manipulated into thinking certain people of their friends choosing are undine infiltrators or maquis fanatics , and thus wage proxy wars , unknowingly advised to attack their own allies. .. which as a revelation of several missions , you're fighting to get in the core of the Dominion , What you leave behind style , and ultimately it the truth is revealed and the Dominion become full integrated allies so that communication between factions can be improved and mistakes as such aren't repeated.
A Dominion Arc isn't going to happen soon, if it does.
However the Gamma Quadrant is the last place we really still don't have access to that was part of trek shows...stable wormhole and all and we haven't been there in 5 years (minus a fe)
What would be interesting is to see a brand new bad guy that is actually 100% cryptic made...The dominion had control of the gamma, or so they say, even in the ds9 episodes we didn't see much of the gamma quadrant, what if they had formed the dominion as a way to stop whatever else was in the gamma quadrant?
Which makes it even more plausible to create this issue...dominion was formed to stop unknown bad guy threat, iconian war going on so dominion joins in, however this leaves the back door open for the new bad guy to steamroll the gamma quardant since no one is there protecting it.
Thus we get a full expansion whatever of the Dominion with Gamma Quadrant, new exploration since most of the gamma is never shown, the dominion along with all their species as a new faction, perhaps even their old allies, cardassians....
I mean it worked for the kdf to have a hodge podge of different factions to help flesh out the fleet itself, could easily be doable for the dominion.
Besides, I want playable vorta finally.
I disagree that there was any credible threat to the Dominion outside of the Alpha Quadrant and this concept was well cemented from the shows. From the first introduction suicide run , to the ease they had beamed through DS9s shielding , to the female founder saying she would stop the war for a single changeling and ****spoilers**** she did. Even the defensive and combat experience of the Dominion was strong but overconfident. The orbital arrays , the unguarded huge manufacturing facilities , unguarded white planet on and on. The Dominion were not battle tested. They relied on fear , appearance of strength , and their own sense of undeveloped child like justice.
The Dominion Faction would be the best choice. It would give potentially a big amount of content with the Gamma Quadrant's "Federation" and the opening of the Gamma Quadrant.
in my opinion i think it be rather interesting to see why the dominion suddenly joined other than rid the galaxy of the iconians i like to think not all in the gamma quadrant is fine and dandy as they are waging a war themselves against a new rising super power led by a race they defeated in the past. i mean this whole 'they are too powerful thing in the gamma quadrant' is BS as obviously everyone has their own kryptonite per say. i think the dominion needs to in a sense to reap what they sew after all the pain and destruction on the worlds they conquered in the past their time of judgment is upon them. would be interesting no???
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It's hinted in the Iconian Rep that Sela's in the Gamma Quadrant, trying to bring the Dominion into the war.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
all you got is a few details that she contacted a dominion rep, its a long way from making the assumption that she is "trying to bring" the dominion into the war. anyone doing t5 rep yet and posted a pic of the last text message from sela? assuming there is one.
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They don't use stars as bullets. When they fight among themselves, stars might incidentally be blown up.
Q's are a plot device.
For the record:
A Cardashian Faction is a very horrible idea.
The Borg will make a great Faction.
The Dominion (without Cardashians) will make a great Faction.
The Maquis will make a great Faction...although I won't object to Cardashians being part of that.
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So you want the "bad guys" ... never gonna happen ... they still have to shoehorn every new Faction into the "great Alliance" playing the same content ...
PS : And seriously Cardassians being part of the Maquis ? ... good one ...
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I dunno - Kim could probably defeat the Iconians herself, by boring them to death with an endless stream of selfies.
Anyhoo, I don't think a renewed Dominion threat is where STO is going at all. Remember why the Delta Recruits are a thing: Because the Iconians have an Achilles' heel - their inability to travel or otherwise operate across time. Well, unless the Iconians are dumb as rocks, they'll eventually recruit proxies to do their temporal dirty work for them. (Indeed, I'm working on a Foundry mission about just that.) Which, in turn, screams Temporal Cold War.
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I see what you did there :P
But I have to agree with him...a Cardashian faction would be a horrible idea!
But a Cardassian faction...that would be fun!
It isn't, its starfleet tech if you read through all the dialogue options, you are told she went down there with a pair of anti-gravity boots to try to avoid the Borg.
A Cardassian Faction has the potential to work similar to how the Republic works, and that's likely how they would be dealt. The same can be said for any faction at this point to be honest. Cryptic are never going to add a true (independent) third faction to the game; the implementation of such simply requires far too much forethought at this point (unless it's a faction that has nothing to do with the Alpha/Beta powers).
There's only two independent factions I'd care to see; the first is the Dominion in all their glory, but not as the enemy, more as an antihero (similar to how the KDF is intended). The other faction would be an entirely new one (new species, new ships, new everything - and probably from the far reaches of the Delta Quadrant) but I know that isn't going to happen.
STO should have been a fully capable multi-faction game since launch. The KDF was in pieces at launch, thankfully it's been fixed up a lot since those days. However STO should have launched with more factions, and a better KDF (female Nausicaan for starters) and a third of fourth faction should have been included for variation. It wasn't. It'll never be that way, and outside of the FED & KDF no other faction is going to be worth my time anymore.
However the Gamma Quadrant is the last place we really still don't have access to that was part of trek shows...stable wormhole and all and we haven't been there in 5 years (minus a fe)
What would be interesting is to see a brand new bad guy that is actually 100% cryptic made...The dominion had control of the gamma, or so they say, even in the ds9 episodes we didn't see much of the gamma quadrant, what if they had formed the dominion as a way to stop whatever else was in the gamma quadrant?
Which makes it even more plausible to create this issue...dominion was formed to stop unknown bad guy threat, iconian war going on so dominion joins in, however this leaves the back door open for the new bad guy to steamroll the gamma quardant since no one is there protecting it.
Thus we get a full expansion whatever of the Dominion with Gamma Quadrant, new exploration since most of the gamma is never shown, the dominion along with all their species as a new faction, perhaps even their old allies, cardassians....
I mean it worked for the kdf to have a hodge podge of different factions to help flesh out the fleet itself, could easily be doable for the dominion.
Besides, I want playable vorta finally.
So the Changelings genetically engineered a couple of servitor races to subdue the solids and end them being hunted down by becoming the suppressors.
That is pretty much established canon fact.
With the reintroduction of Odo back into the link there likely is a voice for a more moderate approach to solids from his experience among them that is likely going to be picked up at least by some other changelings and might instigate change over time.
I'd buy that for a dollar. Get a instant repeat of Inabrin Tang or whatever Garaks dad's name was. Talshiar , Obsidian Order , and maybe a group of changlings with Odos memories , but a bad case of good intentions that developes as they are trying to follow Odos examples, but just like an Odo personality trait flaw , they see as making these bad alliances as the only way to save the Alpha Quadrant , but instead they are being manipulated into thinking certain people of their friends choosing are undine infiltrators or maquis fanatics , and thus wage proxy wars , unknowingly advised to attack their own allies. .. which as a revelation of several missions , you're fighting to get in the core of the Dominion , What you leave behind style , and ultimately it the truth is revealed and the Dominion become full integrated allies so that communication between factions can be improved and mistakes as such aren't repeated.
I disagree that there was any credible threat to the Dominion outside of the Alpha Quadrant and this concept was well cemented from the shows. From the first introduction suicide run , to the ease they had beamed through DS9s shielding , to the female founder saying she would stop the war for a single changeling and ****spoilers**** she did. Even the defensive and combat experience of the Dominion was strong but overconfident. The orbital arrays , the unguarded huge manufacturing facilities , unguarded white planet on and on. The Dominion were not battle tested. They relied on fear , appearance of strength , and their own sense of undeveloped child like justice.
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Plus, in the time line, the Maquis were completely wiped out by the Dominion.
not completely. Those who didn't escape to the Federation or those on Voyager were still surviving.
"Kurland here"
"This is kurland"
"Kurland come in"
and not to mention the red carpet treatment for all invaders coming to take DS9
Long-term you have to have multiple factions that are fighting against each other