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Why the hell do sci offs have to pay for sci ships?!
itpalg
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Looking at the ship requisitions selections for my (edit: Romulan, fed 32 commander) sci officer I just realized that EVERY SINGLE science ship is obtained by dilithium or Zen! (edit: used the filters on the ship store to show nothing but sci ships for every rank, and nothing came up post commander that was a free requisition).
Why must my sci officer be forced to use an escort or a cruiser? Does this company really expect someone to have 30/80k dilithium starting out??
I was only "fortunate" to have the free retrofit one they gave several weeks ago but that doesn't last long with just two science slots and two science boff slots that just have two ranks in them as you reach commander>capt status.
Why must my sci officer be forced to use an escort or a cruiser? Does this company really expect someone to have 30/80k dilithium starting out??
I was only "fortunate" to have the free retrofit one they gave several weeks ago but that doesn't last long with just two science slots and two science boff slots that just have two ranks in them as you reach commander>capt status.
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At every tier up to rear admiral you get a choice of a cruiser, escort or sci ship free, except the last ship you get free which you get a choce of an escort, a cruiser or one of THREE sci ships ......
Sci ships actually have MORE free option than cruiser and escorts (fed side that is I know very little about Kline side)
Erm......What?
Free ships at Level 40:
Cruiser: Star Cruiser and Assault Cruiser
Escort: Patrol Escort and Advanced Escort
Science Vessel: Deep Space Science Vessel and Reconnaissance Science Vessel
I think you may be looking at it the wrong way.
If you are trying to buy a ship intended for higher or lower level Captains they do indeed cost Dil. However all the levelling ships can be bought once for free when you reach a new rank and satisfy the requirements.
Romulans and Klingons I believe have no free options, the Romulans may have one at Tier 5, not sure.
But either way. Science Officers don't have to pay for Science Ships. A Science Officer does not have to fly a Science Vessel. And a non-Science Officer can fly a Science Vessel, too. And they all would have the same acquisition "problems."
I assume the "store" doesn't show any free ships in the selector without appropriate rank or requisition?
T2 Science Vessel
T3 Research Science Vessel
T4 Long Range Science Vessel
T5 Deep Space Science Vessel / Reconnaissance Science Vessel
Then why would they say Cruisers and Escorts? Kind of paints one as Fed....
Technically the Vo'Quv carrier is the KDF equivalent I suppose, and considered by many to be one of the best ships in the game.
But the lack of 'normal' science ship options in the KDF line-up is one of those constant ongoing discussions.
I'm almost certain my alt last night didn't have the advanced escort as a free choice and yeah star cruiser my bad for some reason I had it in my head that it was a sci ship. Either way, there is no lack of sci option fed side as the op thinks.
What faction are you? If you're KDF or Romulan, you need to play through the story to unlock your free ships in addition to getting to the appropriate rank.
If you're Fed, it's possible you either claimed your free ship already, or the Advanced Escort was pulled from the Shipyard because they're hopefully working on re-skinning it and releasing a combat capable T6 version.
In any event, just go on the exchange and get a Mirror version of whatever ship it is you're looking for. Most of them preform far better than the base T5 starships.
Any captain can fly any type of ship, each combination brings certain advantages and disadvantages.
the low level haanom, which is low level.
the fleet haanom, which is gated behind a fully completed starbase and access to the ships there (tV required) and technically costs for modules but EC solves the problem. It is a weak ship.
And the dyson, which costs.
KDF can get a sci carrier that is not a pure sci ship. I don't think they have a free choice of a pure sci ship. Lifetime/paid get a free karfi
Feds have a sci ship for free at every free ship level.
Life timers can also choose the varanus on KDF side. It was also a free give away last year or so. But you are right, there is no free science vessel for KDF, that is why I assumed OP might be KDF
Thn needs to be remedied by either adding science option or removal of the dilithium -payment ( why else bother to choose alliance ?)
and the Vo'Quv ( or the Kar'fi ) isn't a strict sci-ship ( although I play it as one all the time ) . KDF has zero pure sci-ships AFAIK and romulans aren't exactly spoiled either .Only ones are the Dyson as Romulan or KDF and those cost zen ...
Tier 4 KDF: vo'quv carrier is sci setup
Actual join date: Open beta, 2009ish.
mirror ships do not perform better than any t5 ship. honestly enough: the level 40 ship is a tier 4...their cstore variants are tier 5. otherwise there would be a t5u token for the free one.
It is no secret that building a sci vessel that is worth anything is not intuitive or easy. And I see really NO way how a new player would fly a sci ship remotely capable of finishing a story mission without taking hours in space combat.
that's not a valid argument .. folks choose to b a science captain ( and even those who know what they're doing cannot pick a science vessel,even if they want to ) . No, it needs to be remedied ASAP
no it isn't ..it doesn't have a secondary deflector ( there you go already ) . Folks - including myself - use it as a science boat b/c it's the closest we've got ...
They should/could make it a science vessel though ( retrofit ,something like that : minimal work and kdf has its science boat ...)
Folks saying "well ,KDF and Rmulans aren't the science type " don't have a valid agument either because KDF and Romulans have the science career-option . If cryptic doesn't think of them in that fashion they should have removed the career-option .KDF also has Orions which - in terms of traits- make great science captains
no doubt that it is bad game design that certain combinations are much harder than others and that they do not even indicate the increased difficulty...however it exists currently in the game, and if cryptic chose to "balance" it this way...it is their game after all.
Also, I think they specifically mentioned it one time somewhere that klingons simply don't care for science!
Romulans neither apparently.
So it can be a canon issue...and very much intended.
The Romulans have a free T5 Science Vessel.
Ha'nom Guardian Warbird. There's also the Mirror Ha'nom. They used to be real cheap on the exchange but I haven't looked them up in ages.
Regardless of which of the 2 you get, they are old school, Science Heavy BOFF layouts. In today's game, that's actually very good. Secondary Deflectors, Sensor Analysis, and an underrated Romulan Battle Cloak capability. Only the Rom DSDs have that Rom Battle Cloak.
Rom Battle Cloak decloak damage bonus is not to be trifled with. I can get my Warbirds to have roughly these ambush values coming out of cloaks:
+45% Damage Bonus
15-23 second bonus duration*
Roughly 9 second cloak recharge timer
There is no Attack Pattern in the game with that level of potency, that level of uptime, that level of availability. It is built into every Warbird but the Temporal ships. And for Romulan Science play, that's very good.
* = Achieved by having, regardless of source, Infiltrator+Superior Infiltrator. Whether you get that arrangement from a BOFF or from a Reman Captain, it doesn't matter. Infiltrator Traits of the same rarity don't stack. For my Reman Captain, typically she has Infiltrator Trait equipped and one of the old Delta BOFFs has SRO+Sup Infiltrator. That is a Win-Win. My Romulans could do the same but it's not as efficient. It usually means sacrificing a BOFF with SRO to have either Infiltrator or Superior Infiltrator to get the combo. I typically don't give up SRO for a Romulan captain. So my Romulan captains "only" have to settle for 15 second Decloak Damage Bonus duration. All while my KDF on a BOP can achieve max 5 second standard duration for about 15% damage bonus on roughly 16-18 second recloak timer.