I'm trying to figure out which would be better for this particular build, a Tachyokinetic Converter or the Zero Point Energy Conduit.
The Zero Point Conduit provides a nice boost to Critical Chance (2%) and allows me to run 2/4 of my subsystems above 75 all the time for the AMP boost. With OSS, I get all 4 subsystems above 75 for some additional burst damage.
The Tachyokinetic Converter gives me a nice turn bonus (while not the worst, the Pathfinder isn't the most agile ship either) to let me bear down my torpedoes to my targets easier. It also adds Grav Gens that would be useful for my GW, Grav Torps and TBRs. However, it lowers my Critical Chance while boosting severity by quite a bit.
Now what I am trying to figure out now is if the Severity boost from the Tachyokinetic console works with criticals from Particle Manipulator. If it does, then this would be a worthwhile trade for the 1% Critical chance I am losing and the 2% always-on damage boost from AMP. With OSS, I can still get all 4 subsystems to boost AMP.
There's also the 1:10 ratio for CritH and CritD that I've been reading about these past few days. Most posts here say to boost my CritH (hence the use of Locators instead of Exploiters). The in-game attack stats of my ship shows I have an 18.1% critical chance to my 76% severity. My parses show a critical chance of mid 20's to mid 30's (probably boosted by my close to 100% crit stats on my exotic abilities). Does this add a reason to go for the Tachyokinetic Converter?
I think it may be worth a shot, but before I spend my hard-earned Lobi for it, I figured I should ask here first. Many thanks for your responses!
I'm trying to figure out which would be better for this particular build, a Tachyokinetic Converter or the Zero Point Energy Conduit.
The Zero Point Conduit provides a nice boost to Critical Chance (2%) and allows me to run 2/4 of my subsystems above 75 all the time for the AMP boost. With OSS, I get all 4 subsystems above 75 for some additional burst damage.
The Tachyokinetic Converter gives me a nice turn bonus (while not the worst, the Pathfinder isn't the most agile ship either) to let me bear down my torpedoes to my targets easier. It also adds Grav Gens that would be useful for my GW, Grav Torps and TBRs. However, it lowers my Critical Chance while boosting severity by quite a bit.
Now what I am trying to figure out now is if the Severity boost from the Tachyokinetic console works with criticals from Particle Manipulator. If it does, then this would be a worthwhile trade for the 1% Critical chance I am losing and the 2% always-on damage boost from AMP. With OSS, I can still get all 4 subsystems to boost AMP.
There's also the 1:10 ratio for CritH and CritD that I've been reading about these past few days. Most posts here say to boost my CritH (hence the use of Locators instead of Exploiters). The in-game attack stats of my ship shows I have an 18.1% critical chance to my 76% severity. My parses show a critical chance of mid 20's to mid 30's (probably boosted by my close to 100% crit stats on my exotic abilities). Does this add a reason to go for the Tachyokinetic Converter?
I think it may be worth a shot, but before I spend my hard-earned Lobi for it, I figured I should ask here first. Many thanks for your responses!
Take the general rulebook that is usually given for STO ship building, tear it in half, and throw half of it away. The trick is, to know which half to toss .
What works on paper doesn't properly translate to actual results, because not every circumstance is scripted to run the exact same way 100% of the time in this game.
Keeping it short and simple, go w/ Tachyo. You'll gain more as a QoL, and can adjust powerLvls afterwards for AMP. Yes, the crit gained is calculated for your Sci abilities.
Haha yes I am beginning to realize that. Too bad the lag isn't making it easy for me to make new good parses to test out my changes properly.
I am going to experiment using Pilot as my primary and Command as secondary. Since I fly pretty close to stuff anyway the bonuses from Pilot might make up for my Intel's Flanking (which I am doing a poor job of using against the Borg due to their ship designs). Command's torpedo boosts, defensive stuff along with Pilot's damage boosts and defensive stuff might be a good fit.
Well the "Particle Manipulation" nerf that is inbound will make it even less effective.
Check "Tribble patch notes for May 1st!
Thanks! Had to check that.
That'll hurt. However, the buff to severity might make up for the lower crit chance. 50% is still a lot. In my case, it'll add up about 37.2% critical severity for 50% crits. We'll see...
Still, I'll miss the almost sure crit for Isokinetic Cannon...
Edit: Thanks to Virusdancer, I did some math to see how it'll affect me based on my in-game ship stats of 17.3% CrtH and 87.3 Critical Severity:
Before
CrtH: 17.3 + (372 * 0.25) = 17.3 + 93 = 110.3 (reduced to 100)
CrtD: 87.3
Average Damage: 1 + (1 * .873) = 1.873
That'll hurt. However, the buff to severity might make up for the lower crit chance. 50% is still a lot. In my case, it'll add up about 37.2% critical severity for 50% crits. We'll see...
Still, I'll miss the almost sure crit for Isokinetic Cannon...
Edit: Thanks to Virusdancer, I did some math to see how it'll affect me based on my in-game ship stats of 17.3% CrtH and 87.3 Critical Severity:
Before
CrtH: 17.3 + (372 * 0.25) = 17.3 + 93 = 110.3 (reduced to 100)
CrtD: 87.3
Average Damage: 1 + (1 * .873) = 1.873
All I see is the info for a crith, I don't see any info averaging normal damage in.
The "1" represents a standard (non-crit) normal. So the math shows the average damage if it includes y critical damage dealt x percent of the time. So the formula is:
n = normal hit
y = critical damage
x = critical hit
D = average damage
So from 1.604 to 1.55854...0.04546 difference or 4.546% less average damage. Keep in mind that's a theoretical average that might play out over who knows how many hits...
I'm guessing I can make up the loss by adding Rom Bridge Officers, Uni Consoles, etc.
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I've been watching a few more videos as well (especially darkknightucf's) to gain some insight on what they were doing differently. I noticed that they were more aggressive in their flying, so I up'ed my aggression and flew less defensively.
I will admit, my pets dealt a little higher damage in this run than they normally do. If they dealt the damage they normally do, I'd probably end up in the high 29k again. I still have a lot of work to do before I can be confident this wasn't a fluke.
But for now this will remain as is, until the new Particle Manipulator changes come about and see how that changes things before I start tuning stuff again.
I think I can safely say that the changes to Particle Manipulator had little effect to effective DPS. Damage/Hit for my exotic abilities have remained around my normal range.
I'm loving this build! Up to 35k now with 1 death (while trying to get Fleet Support out). Maybe I'll move this build over to one of those new Sci-Escorts and see how that does there.
Time to save up my dil and gather Argonite. Maybe if I can get all my weapons to epic I can aim for 40k. It'll probably take months though given how slow I gather dill and Argonite for the upgrades.
Sorry to bump this up again, but I am looking into improving my power levels by replacing my core. Since I don't use energy weapons much, I think my A>W is being wasted. I think A>S is a better option for me. If I get the core to epic, it gains W>S right? If so, I can redirect some of my power to engines and get an extra AMP bonus (currently getting 2xAMP from Aux and Shields).
That said, the only core with A>S with AMP seems to be the Plasma Integrated cores. Is it worth losing my base 5 aux? Just thought I'd ask before throwing more resources away.
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The Zero Point Conduit provides a nice boost to Critical Chance (2%) and allows me to run 2/4 of my subsystems above 75 all the time for the AMP boost. With OSS, I get all 4 subsystems above 75 for some additional burst damage.
The Tachyokinetic Converter gives me a nice turn bonus (while not the worst, the Pathfinder isn't the most agile ship either) to let me bear down my torpedoes to my targets easier. It also adds Grav Gens that would be useful for my GW, Grav Torps and TBRs. However, it lowers my Critical Chance while boosting severity by quite a bit.
Now what I am trying to figure out now is if the Severity boost from the Tachyokinetic console works with criticals from Particle Manipulator. If it does, then this would be a worthwhile trade for the 1% Critical chance I am losing and the 2% always-on damage boost from AMP. With OSS, I can still get all 4 subsystems to boost AMP.
There's also the 1:10 ratio for CritH and CritD that I've been reading about these past few days. Most posts here say to boost my CritH (hence the use of Locators instead of Exploiters). The in-game attack stats of my ship shows I have an 18.1% critical chance to my 76% severity. My parses show a critical chance of mid 20's to mid 30's (probably boosted by my close to 100% crit stats on my exotic abilities). Does this add a reason to go for the Tachyokinetic Converter?
I think it may be worth a shot, but before I spend my hard-earned Lobi for it, I figured I should ask here first. Many thanks for your responses!
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Take the general rulebook that is usually given for STO ship building, tear it in half, and throw half of it away. The trick is, to know which half to toss
What works on paper doesn't properly translate to actual results, because not every circumstance is scripted to run the exact same way 100% of the time in this game.
Keeping it short and simple, go w/ Tachyo. You'll gain more as a QoL, and can adjust powerLvls afterwards for AMP. Yes, the crit gained is calculated for your Sci abilities.
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I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
I am going to experiment using Pilot as my primary and Command as secondary. Since I fly pretty close to stuff anyway the bonuses from Pilot might make up for my Intel's Flanking (which I am doing a poor job of using against the Borg due to their ship designs). Command's torpedo boosts, defensive stuff along with Pilot's damage boosts and defensive stuff might be a good fit.
I just need 5 more spec points to make it happen.
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Check "Tribble patch notes for May 1st!
Thanks! Had to check that.
That'll hurt. However, the buff to severity might make up for the lower crit chance. 50% is still a lot. In my case, it'll add up about 37.2% critical severity for 50% crits. We'll see...
Still, I'll miss the almost sure crit for Isokinetic Cannon...
Edit: Thanks to Virusdancer, I did some math to see how it'll affect me based on my in-game ship stats of 17.3% CrtH and 87.3 Critical Severity:
Before
CrtH: 17.3 + (372 * 0.25) = 17.3 + 93 = 110.3 (reduced to 100)
CrtD: 87.3
Average Damage: 1 + (1 * .873) = 1.873
After
CrtH: 17.3 + (372 * 0.20) = 17.3 + 50 = 67.3
CrtD: 87.3 + (372 * 0.10) = 87.3 + 37.2 = 124.4
Average damage: 1 + (0.673 * 1.244) = 1.837
So overall, about a 2% decrease on average (discounting all external factors). 2% is a pretty small amount since parses can swing much more than that.
But I'll also get a huge amount of variability in actual damage dealt. So it can still go either way (really awesome or meh).
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While virusdancer knows his stuff, his numbers only include the times it skills crit. What about the times they don't.
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All I see is the info for a crith, I don't see any info averaging normal damage in.
The "1" represents a standard (non-crit) normal. So the math shows the average damage if it includes y critical damage dealt x percent of the time. So the formula is:
n = normal hit
y = critical damage
x = critical hit
D = average damage
D = n + (x*y)
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I'm guessing I can make up the loss by adding Rom Bridge Officers, Uni Consoles, etc.
I did make some slight changes to my build:
I've been watching a few more videos as well (especially darkknightucf's) to gain some insight on what they were doing differently. I noticed that they were more aggressive in their flying, so I up'ed my aggression and flew less defensively.
I will admit, my pets dealt a little higher damage in this run than they normally do. If they dealt the damage they normally do, I'd probably end up in the high 29k again. I still have a lot of work to do before I can be confident this wasn't a fluke.
But for now this will remain as is, until the new Particle Manipulator changes come about and see how that changes things before I start tuning stuff again.
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I'm loving this build! Up to 35k now with 1 death (while trying to get Fleet Support out). Maybe I'll move this build over to one of those new Sci-Escorts and see how that does there.
Time to save up my dil and gather Argonite. Maybe if I can get all my weapons to epic I can aim for 40k.
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That said, the only core with A>S with AMP seems to be the Plasma Integrated cores. Is it worth losing my base 5 aux? Just thought I'd ask before throwing more resources away.
Thanks!
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