Insert argument of you get choice and you don't have to or you can play to earn to pay here and so on.... My opinion is I like to play the whole game not just a piece so I look at it as a whole. If you want me to open the wallet the "super" bundle is no good unless you put some more fluff.
I play all three faction even though I play KDF as a primary.
When they bring out the bundle I'm not going to look at the individual ships I'm going to look at the whole bundle not each individual ship or 3 pack.
Suppose the lines were just difficult to process there, mixed in with such a short thing, dismissed, and treated as if running the same content in 100s of different ships is playing the "whole" game as opposed to some form of hoarder disorder. That you want everything will make it expensive for you - Cryptic knows that not everybody, not many at all, not everybody is going to be like that and the ships are priced accordingly.
Ajax Pilot Escort
Icarus Pilot Escort
Mercury Pilot Escort
Klavek Pilot Raptor Kortar Pilot Raptor Qui'Tu Pilot Raptor
Jaeih Pilot Warbird
Khaiell Pilot Warbird
Okhala Pilot Warbird
Sure, I picked up a Benthan and a Hazari...but I skipped the Astika and Manasa, as well as the Sheshar and the Strike Ship, and I sold the Olaen I got...and have no interest in the Ateleth.
I only picked up the Phantom for the trait and have zero desire actually to fly it. Same reason that the Kortar is down there in Yellow, as I'm considering getting it just for the trait since I have less than zero desire to fly any of the Pilot ships. Didn't buy any KDF boats because I didn't have a playable KDF character until I decided to get into the BoP thing patrickngo mentioned as a thought experiment. Didn't buy any Romulan ships because I no longer have any Romulan characters. Before DR, bought the T'varo and T'varo Retro going Fleet with it, bought the Haakona, had bought a Command Bortasqu', Varanus, Kar'Fi, Guramba, Mogh, and would have bought the Marauder if they hadn't given it away right before I bought it. I don't know how many T1-T4 boats I bought for the KDF. Fed...yeah, hrmm, D'Kyr and er...um...
And I figure Cryptic understands that...people are going to buy what they want and the number of folks that just have to buy everything are going to be pretty small.
Your need to buy everything doesn't make the ships too expensive...it might just make it too expensive for you. And that's why I said what I did, cause it was almost completely dismissed and no real discussion of that aspect...just what would equate to going into a car dealership and trying to tell them all their cars cost too much cause you want to buy them all...er...yeah.
I play all three faction even though I play KDF as a primary.
When they bring out the bundle I'm not going to look at the individual ships I'm going to look at the whole bundle not each individual ship or 3 pack.
Unfortunately you aren't really explaining yourself, just repeating the same thing. So let's try it a different way. What do you mean when you say "look at"? You said it twice above, but you were not clear what you mean. So which of these things is what you actually mean?
Unfortunately you aren't really explaining yourself, just repeating the same thing. So let's try it a different way. What do you mean when you say "look at"? You said it twice above, but you were not clear what you mean. So which of these things is what you actually mean?
A) look at pictures
read about stats
C) try to get all of the ships in the bundle
D) all of the above
Think Pokemon...would be what I'm guessing at this point.
Think Pokemon...would be what I'm guessing at this point.
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but the idea I was getting from his post was that he feels like he needs to have ALL of the ships they release. Which, quite frankly, is kind of crazy. Anyone that plays an MMO and thinks they should have ALL of the items it sells in it's game store is either rich, or not thinking clearly. Hopefully I'm just misunderstanding what he's saying though.
It never ceases to amaze me how the more recent generation of gamers keep finding excuses and ways to rationalize corporate capitalist greed, and not just in STO. :rolleyes:
Awwwwww... Hims so cute when he gets all Socialist.
No one is forcing you, or anyone else for that matter, to buy any of the products/content in this game. If you don't like the value proposition, don't buy it. If you are so concerned about game companies' "greed", start your own that isn't so "greedy".
For God's sake, they are so greedy that you don't have to pay to play the content, they make it so you can earn ships without paying a penny, even T6 ships, those "greedy corprate capitalist" monsters. You should take them down, after all, the didn't build that, did they?
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but the idea I was getting from his post was that he feels like he needs to have ALL of the ships they release. Which, quite frankly, is kind of crazy. Anyone that plays an MMO and thinks they should have ALL of the items it sells in it's game store is either rich, or not thinking clearly. Hopefully I'm just misunderstanding what he's saying though.
Figured you doing Good Cop and me doing Bad Cop...the answer would come out one way or the other.
But yeah, Cryptic's going to set the price point based on expected sales. If they figured everybody wanted every ship, they could lower the price and still make increased profits from the sheer volume...but they know not everybody wants everything and so things are priced accordingly, yeah?
Awwwwww... Hims so cute when he gets all Socialist.
No one is forcing you, or anyone else for that matter, to buy any of the products/content in this game. If you don't like the value proposition, don't buy it. If you are so concerned about game companies' "greed", start your own that isn't so "greedy".
For God's sake, they are so greedy that you don't have to pay to play the content, they make it so you can earn ships without paying a penny, even T6 ships, those "greedy corprate capitalist" monsters. You should take them down, after all, the didn't build that, did they?
Amen, I have no problem paying for what I want... As always the biggest problem with these kinds of people is that they can't tell the difference between a 'need' and a 'want'.
The issue i haven't isn't really with the prices as such, its that outside of paid content you literally get no ship options, i can understand that they are a business and they have to make money, and i dont really have an "issue" with the highest end items being behind a pay wall, however, and this is likely to be unpopular, there is no real reason that they can't just release a T5 non-upgradeable version of the new ships, drop their stats to be in line with the T5 line and obviously drop the ship trait, but let people actually buy these ships at a much lower investment of EC/Dil like the current ship offerings, not only would that allow more people access to new toys it would also give you a better way to convert that person in to a paying customer by letting them upgrade that T5 to a T6 via the c-store at a discount.
That way everyone wins as people who aren't spending their lives farming dil or who have very limited playing time a chance to play with the new toys, it also lets people essentially do a "try before you buy" at a much lower cost, nothing worse than dropping $30 on a ship only to find you absolutely hate it, i mean why on earth would you want to make a blind purchase even car dealerships allow you a test drive :P
When they offer new cars for $100, you might have a point. If the occasional $30.00 purchase for a game I presume you enjoy is a life changing purchase event, I would suggest getting some help. Afterall, you dont get charged to play any of the content to keep the lights on, the C store items are a contribution to help keep the game going. Not to mention that one can grind to get a ship if they want, this Delta Recruit event has given me enough dil to buy enough Zen for a T6 ship for sure.
When they offer new cars for $100, you might have a point. If the occasional $30.00 purchase for a game I presume you enjoy is a life changing purchase event, I would suggest getting some help. Afterall, you dont get charged to play any of the content to keep the lights on, the C store items are a contribution to help keep the game going. Not to mention that one can grind to get a ship if they want, this Delta Recruit event has given me enough dil to buy enough Zen for a T6 ship for sure.
Exactly, and it's not as if they give away four end-game ships for free every year... Oh wait. :rolleyes:
Overall they would like $120 for 9 ship which are really just 3 ships re-skinned twice. Which makes it $40 per ship.
Not exactly. They are 9 ships with 9 different skins. The ships within each Faction also have different Boff configurations, different Console Slot configurations, and different Unique Consoles from each other.
The Faction ships are also slightly different from each other. The KDF ships have more Hull and less Shields but a Cloak. The Rom ships have less Hull, less Shields, Battlecloaks and Singularity Cores, etc. So they are really not just 3 ships. Flying a Khaiell will not feel exactly like flying a Qui'tu or Ajax.
So we are up to $390 for c-store purchase; not including the lock box ships and promotional ships which could range anywhere between $240 - $510 for the 9 ships.
So you are saying that everyone buys every ship released? I assure you that is not the case. The idea behind ships is that people buy the ones they want, not all of them. Some people will like a specific style that others will hate. It is called subjectivity. No one is expected to buy them all. If you feel you must, well that is your own psychological issue.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
It never ceases to amaze me how the more recent generation of gamers keep finding excuses and ways to rationalize corporate capitalist greed, and not just in STO. :rolleyes:
I'm kind of confused by this, I'd meant to ask about this earlier - but I got so wrapped up in wondering about the pricing thing and so forth that I forgot about it; but having seen some additional discussion on it I wanted to ask...
Wouldn't the correct statement have been...
"It never ceases to amaze me how the more recent generation of gamers keep finding excuses and ways to rationalize their entitlement, and not just in STO. :rolleyes:"
"It never ceases to amaze me how the more recent generation of gamers keep finding excuses and ways to rationalize their entitlement, and not just in STO. :rolleyes:"
...cause you know - reality and all that.
Here is another good one:
"It never ceases to amaze me how other people can actually have a different opinion than me"
At least, that's how some people seem to feel. But seriously, people really need to get over the whole looking down on people who grew up at a different time than they did.
"It never ceases to amaze me how other people can actually have a different opinion than me"
At least, that's how some people seem to feel. But seriously, people really need to get over the whole looking down on people who grew up at a different time than they did.
Both my grandfathers are racist but that's ok cause they just grew up at a different time than I did... :rolleyes:
My post is meant to be a quick overall cost analysis of their recent micro transaction marketing in the spirit of the thread title.
Hence why I dismissed the other rhetoric.
Look at = My opinion for choice of purchase. Whether I will purchase or not. "Window Shop"
Right. Either way, my point is the same: you don't have to spend any of your money to get any of these things. You can earn dilithium and trade it for zen. So if you don't like a price, don't spend your money. Spend someone else's.
Right. Either way, my point is the same: you don't have to spend any of your money to get any of these things. You can earn dilithium and trade it for zen. So if you don't like a price, don't spend your money. Spend someone else's.
I agree with this, even though time is more valuable than money.
Spending someone elses money does not increase the pie to keep the lights on. //increase sales
To try and refine my point: The Overall Cost of every item in game is what I believe Cryptic thinks the game is worth and how much they make is based on what metric or percentage of sales to their customers.
Lower prices = more sales.
By the way Love flying my Free Sarr Theln Carrier.
Anybody that blows $30 on a ship in STO is getting taken for a ride. If I did what you described I'd either be broke on my TRIBBLE X all my ships or bored out of my TRIBBLE because I was flying the same old ship for a WHOLE YEAR.
L2CONTRABAND PEOPLE.
Sure, I could grind dil a few hours a day, but I already have a job and it pays much better than that.
Buying ships for real money is a luxury, no better or worse of a choice than any other luxury in your life as long as you're out of debt. For example:
Does your household have cable? Have you looked at the bill for it? $100+ per month is typical. Do you have smartphones at $50+ a month? Do you buy coffee at Starbucks for $3 a cup?
I cut the cord 4 years ago, and just have Netflix plus a show or two via Amazon. I use a cheap flip phone, $4 a month. I make my own Starbucks coffee in the morning, maybe $25 a month for the beans. So if I end up deciding to spend $120 on the pilot mega-pack, I can easily afford it from not spending money on those other luxuries.
With a limit to how many boffs seatings there are with every ship, wouldn't eventually all ships [Fed/KDF/Rom] become mirror versions of each other?
So, it doesn't surprise me that you would use the term, re-skinned Fed trash.
Because, outside of having no real choices in Rom sci vessels, their ships are pretty much re-skinned Fed/KDF trash!
This is true. I'm not saying it isn't something they do. I'm just saying outside of the skin itself, there is very little difference between the ships. Feds tend to have more Shield. KDF more hull. Roms are kinds of the balance between the two. But beyond this they do very little to distrinquish one from the other. If you've checked out my Syndicate Science Support Vessel(2 pack) thread. You'll see where I've taken what the few who have offered ideas and presented a basis of that idea. The whole thread has changed from my original in to something completely different based on what people are looking for. While staying in line with what is already in-game.
And I used re-skinned fed trash to make a point. Like the few Science ships the KDF does have. Its like, "Well the federation wouldn't use this. Give it to the KDF."
I personally think the ship's are a little pricey. I can buy an entire game for what it cost to by two t6 ship's. Do you believe as much work went into these two ship's as an entire game? I think not.
The only saving grace of course is that you don't actually need to spend real world money to purchase ship's. You could grind dilithium convert it to Zen and get a ship for free. It just takes time.
"It never ceases to amaze me how other people can actually have a different opinion than me"
At least, that's how some people seem to feel. But seriously, people really need to get over the whole looking down on people who grew up at a different time than they did.
Actually harder to do than it appears. Due to the fact someone forgot to put enough chlorine in the gene pool.
I will admit to being a grumpy old man. But I don't need to yell at the kids to stay off my lawn. They couldn't find it in the first place since it doesn't have Wi-Fi or a Facebook page. Thus, they are unaware of its existence.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
Fortunately, you don't have to pay. You can get any item you want in the game store using the dilithium exchange. No, it's not instant, nor should it be.
Literally the worst argument ever, just because you can earn the content for free doesn't mean that this should be the ONLY content, not everyone plays every single day, not everyone uses more than 1 character, sure PWE is a business but that doesn't mean that all content needs to be gated behind a paywall, you do actually need to entice people other than the whales to part with their money, as it stands there is very little incentive to do so and the completely dead STF queues show that this game is not really as popular as it could be :P
though I agree with what you say regarding kdf stuff that if they don't make stuff how can they expect it to sell, I suspect the truth of the matter is not enough players have kdf characters they play on a regular basis, take my fleet there are a fair amount of members yet I have been put in charge of the Klingon side of the fleet only because I play my klink every day but thats only for about 30mins to 1hr, they didn't even ask if I wanted it though I don't mind but im not really the leader type more of a follower.
although the ship prices are not cheap the T6 ships are about right when you take into account the price of T5 ships with the extra cost of T5U and fleet upgrade and then like you say if you are sensible you will save a bit longer and buy the ship packs the dyson mega pack was good value at 10k zen for 9 ships and the first tier 6 ship packwas also reasonable for 9 ships + extras especially if you get these when they do a ship sale.
even at full price though ships are not that bad when compared to other items in the c-store and at the end of the day if you are really not wanting to spend that kind of money there are plenty of free ships to be had in the game what with the ones you get while levelling up and all the event ships and c-store givaways they do.
spending any money in the store is just a matter of choice, as is what cryptic chooses to charge for c-store stuff and they must be doing alright from it judging from all the c-store ships I see around.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Literally the worst argument ever, just because you can earn the content for free doesn't mean that this should be the ONLY content, not everyone plays every single day, not everyone uses more than 1 character, sure PWE is a business but that doesn't mean that all content needs to be gated behind a paywall, you do actually need to entice people other than the whales to part with their money, as it stands there is very little incentive to do so and the completely dead STF queues show that this game is not really as popular as it could be :P
Only because it's a fact that you can't refute. It doesn't matter if you only play 1 character or 46 characters, if you are a casual player or hardcore, a PvPer or PvEer, everyone can get anything sold in the Cstore for free.
The ONLY items locked behind a paywall are the Vet Rewards and LTS perks because they aren't sold in the C-Store. :rolleyes:
Exactly. For someone to say all content is 'gated behind a paywall' either means they never actually played STO, or they're intentionally lying.
I'll let the poster of the comment determine which one actually applies to him.
Again, I'm forced into comparing Cryptic with Games Workshop (mainly due to personal experience).
Back in the early 90s, the newborn internet newsgroups were filled with complaints about GW price gouging, how they couldn't morally justify what they were doing, why were they so much more expensive than historicals, etc. All done in the moral certainty GW was going to crash their business.
25 years later, they're still very much in business. Because the content was entertaining enough that people still paid.
(Virusdancer, as an ex-Hobby store owner I'd guess you have some very choice words about GW's business strategies; point is, they've endured.)
Ultimately, this is a luxury market; and in that area the default is you charge what the market will bear.
The issue i haven't isn't really with the prices as such, its that outside of paid content you literally get no ship options, i can understand that they are a business and they have to make money, and i dont really have an "issue" with the highest end items being behind a pay wall, however, and this is likely to be unpopular, there is no real reason that they can't just release a T5 non-upgradeable version of the new ships, drop their stats to be in line with the T5 line and obviously drop the ship trait, but let people actually buy these ships at a much lower investment of EC/Dil like the current ship offerings, not only would that allow more people access to new toys it would also give you a better way to convert that person in to a paying customer by letting them upgrade that T5 to a T6 via the c-store at a discount.
That way everyone wins as people who aren't spending their lives farming dil or who have very limited playing time a chance to play with the new toys, it also lets people essentially do a "try before you buy" at a much lower cost, nothing worse than dropping $30 on a ship only to find you absolutely hate it, i mean why on earth would you want to make a blind purchase even car dealerships allow you a test drive :P
I cant see how you can even compare the two things testdriving a car is not to see how cool it looks with you driving it, test driving a car is to see how it handles the road and that its fit to drive and bits of it are not going to start falling off when you hit the first bump in the road.
buying a ship is totally different you either like the look of it or you don't and testing a cut down version would be no test at all as it might be useless in battle with lower stats but the best thing since sliced bread with the stats it is intended to have.
I can just imagine the car dealers face if you went to him and said I really want to buy that car but I will take that cheaper model and drive it around for a few weeks just to see if I like it before I will decide if I really want to get the more expensive model.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
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I play all three faction even though I play KDF as a primary.
When they bring out the bundle I'm not going to look at the individual ships I'm going to look at the whole bundle not each individual ship or 3 pack.
Suppose the lines were just difficult to process there, mixed in with such a short thing, dismissed, and treated as if running the same content in 100s of different ships is playing the "whole" game as opposed to some form of hoarder disorder. That you want everything will make it expensive for you - Cryptic knows that not everybody, not many at all, not everybody is going to be like that and the ships are priced accordingly.
C-Store T6 Ships...
Andromeda Exploration Cruiser
Concorde Command Battlecruiser
Eclipse Intel Cruiser
Experimental Science Vessel
Geneva Command Battlecruiser
Guardian Cruiser
Pathfinder Long Range Science Vessel
Phantom Intel Escort
Presidio Command Battlecruiser
Scryer Intel Science Vessel
An'quat Command Battlecruiser
Klinzhai Command Battlecruiser
Mat'Ha Raptor
Negh'Tev Heavy Battlecruiser
Qib Intel Battlecruiser
Ty'Gokor Command Battlecruiser
Aelahl Light Warbird Battlecruiser
Baratan Command Warbird
D'Khellra Warbird Battlecruiser
Deihu Command Warbird
Faeht Intel Warbird
Vastam Command Warbird
Have the 9 Pilot "Escorts" coming...
Ajax Pilot Escort
Icarus Pilot Escort
Mercury Pilot Escort
Klavek Pilot Raptor
Kortar Pilot Raptor
Qui'Tu Pilot Raptor
Jaeih Pilot Warbird
Khaiell Pilot Warbird
Okhala Pilot Warbird
Sure, I picked up a Benthan and a Hazari...but I skipped the Astika and Manasa, as well as the Sheshar and the Strike Ship, and I sold the Olaen I got...and have no interest in the Ateleth.
I only picked up the Phantom for the trait and have zero desire actually to fly it. Same reason that the Kortar is down there in Yellow, as I'm considering getting it just for the trait since I have less than zero desire to fly any of the Pilot ships. Didn't buy any KDF boats because I didn't have a playable KDF character until I decided to get into the BoP thing patrickngo mentioned as a thought experiment. Didn't buy any Romulan ships because I no longer have any Romulan characters. Before DR, bought the T'varo and T'varo Retro going Fleet with it, bought the Haakona, had bought a Command Bortasqu', Varanus, Kar'Fi, Guramba, Mogh, and would have bought the Marauder if they hadn't given it away right before I bought it. I don't know how many T1-T4 boats I bought for the KDF. Fed...yeah, hrmm, D'Kyr and er...um...
And I figure Cryptic understands that...people are going to buy what they want and the number of folks that just have to buy everything are going to be pretty small.
Your need to buy everything doesn't make the ships too expensive...it might just make it too expensive for you. And that's why I said what I did, cause it was almost completely dismissed and no real discussion of that aspect...just what would equate to going into a car dealership and trying to tell them all their cars cost too much cause you want to buy them all...er...yeah.
Unfortunately you aren't really explaining yourself, just repeating the same thing. So let's try it a different way. What do you mean when you say "look at"? You said it twice above, but you were not clear what you mean. So which of these things is what you actually mean?
A) look at pictures
C) try to get all of the ships in the bundle
D) all of the above
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Think Pokemon...would be what I'm guessing at this point.
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but the idea I was getting from his post was that he feels like he needs to have ALL of the ships they release. Which, quite frankly, is kind of crazy. Anyone that plays an MMO and thinks they should have ALL of the items it sells in it's game store is either rich, or not thinking clearly. Hopefully I'm just misunderstanding what he's saying though.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Awwwwww... Hims so cute when he gets all Socialist.
No one is forcing you, or anyone else for that matter, to buy any of the products/content in this game. If you don't like the value proposition, don't buy it. If you are so concerned about game companies' "greed", start your own that isn't so "greedy".
For God's sake, they are so greedy that you don't have to pay to play the content, they make it so you can earn ships without paying a penny, even T6 ships, those "greedy corprate capitalist" monsters. You should take them down, after all, the didn't build that, did they?
Figured you doing Good Cop and me doing Bad Cop...the answer would come out one way or the other.
But yeah, Cryptic's going to set the price point based on expected sales. If they figured everybody wanted every ship, they could lower the price and still make increased profits from the sheer volume...but they know not everybody wants everything and so things are priced accordingly, yeah?
Amen, I have no problem paying for what I want... As always the biggest problem with these kinds of people is that they can't tell the difference between a 'need' and a 'want'.
When they offer new cars for $100, you might have a point. If the occasional $30.00 purchase for a game I presume you enjoy is a life changing purchase event, I would suggest getting some help. Afterall, you dont get charged to play any of the content to keep the lights on, the C store items are a contribution to help keep the game going. Not to mention that one can grind to get a ship if they want, this Delta Recruit event has given me enough dil to buy enough Zen for a T6 ship for sure.
Exactly, and it's not as if they give away four end-game ships for free every year... Oh wait. :rolleyes:
The Faction ships are also slightly different from each other. The KDF ships have more Hull and less Shields but a Cloak. The Rom ships have less Hull, less Shields, Battlecloaks and Singularity Cores, etc. So they are really not just 3 ships. Flying a Khaiell will not feel exactly like flying a Qui'tu or Ajax.
So you are saying that everyone buys every ship released? I assure you that is not the case. The idea behind ships is that people buy the ones they want, not all of them. Some people will like a specific style that others will hate. It is called subjectivity. No one is expected to buy them all. If you feel you must, well that is your own psychological issue.
I'm kind of confused by this, I'd meant to ask about this earlier - but I got so wrapped up in wondering about the pricing thing and so forth that I forgot about it; but having seen some additional discussion on it I wanted to ask...
Wouldn't the correct statement have been...
"It never ceases to amaze me how the more recent generation of gamers keep finding excuses and ways to rationalize their entitlement, and not just in STO. :rolleyes:"
...cause you know - reality and all that.
Hence why I dismissed the other rhetoric.
Look at = My opinion for choice of purchase. Whether I will purchase or not. "Window Shop"
Here is another good one:
"It never ceases to amaze me how other people can actually have a different opinion than me"
At least, that's how some people seem to feel. But seriously, people really need to get over the whole looking down on people who grew up at a different time than they did.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Both my grandfathers are racist but that's ok cause they just grew up at a different time than I did... :rolleyes:
Right. Either way, my point is the same: you don't have to spend any of your money to get any of these things. You can earn dilithium and trade it for zen. So if you don't like a price, don't spend your money. Spend someone else's.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I agree with this, even though time is more valuable than money.
Spending someone elses money does not increase the pie to keep the lights on. //increase sales
To try and refine my point: The Overall Cost of every item in game is what I believe Cryptic thinks the game is worth and how much they make is based on what metric or percentage of sales to their customers.
Lower prices = more sales.
By the way Love flying my Free Sarr Theln Carrier.
Sure, I could grind dil a few hours a day, but I already have a job and it pays much better than that.
Buying ships for real money is a luxury, no better or worse of a choice than any other luxury in your life as long as you're out of debt. For example:
Does your household have cable? Have you looked at the bill for it? $100+ per month is typical. Do you have smartphones at $50+ a month? Do you buy coffee at Starbucks for $3 a cup?
I cut the cord 4 years ago, and just have Netflix plus a show or two via Amazon. I use a cheap flip phone, $4 a month. I make my own Starbucks coffee in the morning, maybe $25 a month for the beans. So if I end up deciding to spend $120 on the pilot mega-pack, I can easily afford it from not spending money on those other luxuries.
This is true. I'm not saying it isn't something they do. I'm just saying outside of the skin itself, there is very little difference between the ships. Feds tend to have more Shield. KDF more hull. Roms are kinds of the balance between the two. But beyond this they do very little to distrinquish one from the other. If you've checked out my Syndicate Science Support Vessel(2 pack) thread. You'll see where I've taken what the few who have offered ideas and presented a basis of that idea. The whole thread has changed from my original in to something completely different based on what people are looking for. While staying in line with what is already in-game.
And I used re-skinned fed trash to make a point. Like the few Science ships the KDF does have. Its like, "Well the federation wouldn't use this. Give it to the KDF."
The only saving grace of course is that you don't actually need to spend real world money to purchase ship's. You could grind dilithium convert it to Zen and get a ship for free. It just takes time.
Let us buy the op traits for 5$ and be done with it. FFS.
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It is a peculiar phenomenon that we can imagine events that defy the laws of the universe.
Actually harder to do than it appears. Due to the fact someone forgot to put enough chlorine in the gene pool.
I will admit to being a grumpy old man. But I don't need to yell at the kids to stay off my lawn. They couldn't find it in the first place since it doesn't have Wi-Fi or a Facebook page. Thus, they are unaware of its existence.
Literally the worst argument ever, just because you can earn the content for free doesn't mean that this should be the ONLY content, not everyone plays every single day, not everyone uses more than 1 character, sure PWE is a business but that doesn't mean that all content needs to be gated behind a paywall, you do actually need to entice people other than the whales to part with their money, as it stands there is very little incentive to do so and the completely dead STF queues show that this game is not really as popular as it could be :P
But they are the only ones.
Both Roms and KDF is forgotten.
As for the Bor: it's a darned nice ship, if you know how to fit it.
although the ship prices are not cheap the T6 ships are about right when you take into account the price of T5 ships with the extra cost of T5U and fleet upgrade and then like you say if you are sensible you will save a bit longer and buy the ship packs the dyson mega pack was good value at 10k zen for 9 ships and the first tier 6 ship packwas also reasonable for 9 ships + extras especially if you get these when they do a ship sale.
even at full price though ships are not that bad when compared to other items in the c-store and at the end of the day if you are really not wanting to spend that kind of money there are plenty of free ships to be had in the game what with the ones you get while levelling up and all the event ships and c-store givaways they do.
spending any money in the store is just a matter of choice, as is what cryptic chooses to charge for c-store stuff and they must be doing alright from it judging from all the c-store ships I see around.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Literally the worlds longest run on sentence.
Exactly. For someone to say all content is 'gated behind a paywall' either means they never actually played STO, or they're intentionally lying.
I'll let the poster of the comment determine which one actually applies to him.
Back in the early 90s, the newborn internet newsgroups were filled with complaints about GW price gouging, how they couldn't morally justify what they were doing, why were they so much more expensive than historicals, etc. All done in the moral certainty GW was going to crash their business.
25 years later, they're still very much in business. Because the content was entertaining enough that people still paid.
(Virusdancer, as an ex-Hobby store owner I'd guess you have some very choice words about GW's business strategies; point is, they've endured.)
Ultimately, this is a luxury market; and in that area the default is you charge what the market will bear.
I cant see how you can even compare the two things testdriving a car is not to see how cool it looks with you driving it, test driving a car is to see how it handles the road and that its fit to drive and bits of it are not going to start falling off when you hit the first bump in the road.
buying a ship is totally different you either like the look of it or you don't and testing a cut down version would be no test at all as it might be useless in battle with lower stats but the best thing since sliced bread with the stats it is intended to have.
I can just imagine the car dealers face if you went to him and said I really want to buy that car but I will take that cheaper model and drive it around for a few weeks just to see if I like it before I will decide if I really want to get the more expensive model.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.