Oh, yes, that I am aware of, but the question was: what other weapon embodies that what a katana does?
In the end, the sword is more than just a weapon, is it not.
Lately, the officers swords used for gala and other ceremonial tasks, are fairly hard based on the katana, bend-shaped, and this since the days of the cavalry (and possible earlier).
Even the sheet seems somewhat related to the saya...
Coincidence, can be, sure.
But the Japanese have been around in the west for a long time now.
The kanata was not the only bent sword around. The scimitar was one as well, and it's what the officer swords the marine core uses are based off of. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mameluke_sword
The sword is to you want you want it to be. There's no special meaning that you don't attach to it.
In regards to Star Trek, melee weapons are all but out of place. Melee combat (even if maybe awkward from a technical point of view) is a big part of Star Trek and it would need a big overhaul in STO - sadly, I don't think this is feasible since Cryptic can't/doesn't want to make new animations. In theory, however, I'd like to see unarmed combat as a viable choice - enough canon examples all over the place, from the Spock-double-fist-overhead-slam, kirk's missile dropkick to the allmighty palm strike. Not only attacks but also parry moves should be included, maybe even throws. It would be a lot of fun.
One-handed melee weapons like a Romulan gladius-like sword, a mek'leth and similiar klingon weapons, a Starfleet stun baton, ushaan-tor knives and original creations should be able to be dual-weld, combined with a pistol or be weld one-handed with the ability to block melee strikes and perform evasive step attacks and so on.
Two-handed melee weapons like the Bat'leth, Jem'Hadar polearms, Lirpas and other Klingon spears work pretty much like we already have them, add a more powerful way to deflect attacks to it.
Pistols used one-handed come with a standard martial arts back up (dual-weld with unarmed so to speak) so you can perform basic punches and/or kicks but no way of deflecting blows.
Rifles can rifle-butt or some like the Klingon Honour Guard weapons employ bayonets to improve their melee worth. In addition, rifles should be able to block/deflect melee blows to a degree.
How does blocking work? Look at games like GW2 - when you activate a blocking move you switch to a block stance until the enemy blow is dealt. This blow deals reduced damage or could result in a chance to apply a knockdown effect for the attacker or similiar.
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"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
In regards to Star Trek, melee weapons are all but out of place. Melee combat (even if maybe awkward from a technical point of view) is a big part of Star Trek and it would need a big overhaul in STO - sadly, I don't think this is feasible since Cryptic can't/doesn't want to make new animations. In theory, however, I'd like to see unarmed combat as a viable choice - enough canon examples all over the place, from the Spock-double-fist-overhead-slam, kirk's missile dropkick to the allmighty palm strike. Not only attacks but also parry moves should be included, maybe even throws. It would be a lot of fun.
One-handed melee weapons like a Romulan gladius-like sword, a mek'leth and similiar klingon weapons, a Starfleet stun baton, ushaan-tor knives and original creations should be able to be dual-weld, combined with a pistol or be weld one-handed with the ability to block melee strikes and perform evasive step attacks and so on.
Two-handed melee weapons like the Bat'leth, Jem'Hadar polearms, Lirpas and other Klingon spears work pretty much like we already have them, add a more powerful way to deflect attacks to it.
Pistols used one-handed come with a standard martial arts back up (dual-weld with unarmed so to speak) so you can perform basic punches and/or kicks but no way of deflecting blows.
Rifles can rifle-butt or some like the Klingon Honour Guard weapons employ bayonets to improve their melee worth. In addition, rifles should be able to block/deflect melee blows to a degree.
How does blocking work? Look at games like GW2 - when you activate a blocking move you switch to a block stance until the enemy blow is dealt. This blow deals reduced damage or could result in a chance to apply a knockdown effect for the attacker or similiar.
STO's equivalent of blocking is a combat roll. you take less damage while rolling.
Oh and I still want those giant Nausicaan rifles with the built-in bayonet.
Although I agree, what other melee weapon would the Federation go for?
Mirror Universe original torture devices (which now that I think about it, were more or less contact-based tasers before they actually became a thing).
Now expanded to Cryptic original Mirror Universe Electro-Whips or Cat-o-nine tails (Fed variant of the Ferengi Whip) or electro blades.
Excuse me?
If only for officer uniforms for gala's and the like: if there is ONE! melee weapon that describes courage, honour, valor, then that is the katana.
The katana embodies the Bushi-Do, Way of the warrior.
There is no weapon in existence that comes even remotely close to the katana in that regard.
Aside, Klingons took the Bat'Leth up against the Feds, how would they react to a melee weapon?
Their pistols and rifles would not be much of a match, I reckon.
The katana has been superior to most, if not all other forms of swordlike weapons.
It could take a beating, and it could give a beating...
IMHO the Katana would've been Earths choice against melee weapons.
It's only logical!
I already did the sarcastic over-excited katana cultist bit. You don't have to repeat it.
The kanata was not the only bent sword around. The scimitar was one as well, and it's what the officer swords the marine core uses are based off of. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mameluke_sword
The sword is to you want you want it to be. There's no special meaning that you don't attach to it.
I stand corrected.
Thank you for that information.
When I am wrong, I am, indeed, wrong.
As for "sword nerd rage", perhaps, but I was thinking we need a melee weapon that embodies the Federation Fleet mentality, which SHOULD be things like valor, honour, and the like.
Much like with the Klingons, and few other species, Jem'Hadar comes to mind, they all have their melee weapon which represents what they are in being: warriors.
It's not just a weapon, but it's a whole lifestyle, an idea.
That is, when you play a Klingon, you get the Blade of Kahless mission, where you, as a Warrior, have to EARN this unique blade.
You even have to travel the Klingon Underworld to get the blasted thing.
And the Federation should have an equally worthy form of icon.
Now, I was pounding on the katana, since it was the most obvious one to depict the ideology behind this weapon, mostly for ceremonial tasks.
For Starfleet the best most pratical melee weapon would be
The Bayonet about 18 inchs long A sturdy buttstock for buttstroke's
A bayoneted rifle would be better in shipboard combat
Get nasty add a pump shotgun under the rifle
Spearmen trump swordsman or better
Swordsman make movies
Spearman make history
Remember the movie..The 300
Energy Dampning fields make melee weapons pratical ,, and kinetic weapons like our own modern weapons such as the M-16 or AK-74 or even a auto pistol
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
True, for effectiveness sake.
But the bajonet sadly has a VERY bad reputation...
It's darned inhuman, therefor not the right weapon to be used, ceremonial.
At the beginning I thought it was a saber too, since the maco is more or less the more military part of star fleet, but then i got reminded by dinosaurs with laser cannons and katans are quiete popular nowadays, so decided to write katana in the op.
Well,i for one would prefer a knight armour with sword and shield to fight those evul klingons and heralds but a katana is fine too.
Oh, I'm totally going to steal that quote and use it everytime someone claims spears are useless in videogame and swords are so much better. Yes, I'm looking at you skyrim/oblivion/TESO !
no, it IS a katana, I believe, considering the Kissaki and the Nagasa, that both seem DARNED katana.
Now, the only way to know for sure is to ask the one that made the picture.
It is confusing, I give you that.
But, it seems to me that the blade for a sabre is more narrow, and has a less pronounced cutting edge.
Then, I am not known with sabres...
To be honest, it seems obvious you are a katana fanboy. No matter what we say, you want it so hard to be a katana, that it is for you.
So yeah, it's a katana. You won.
There's already enough swords, but like some people pointed out, having one that embodied earth spirit would be good.
personally i don't like the lirpa or the batlet combos and handling.
starbase only provides lirpa and batlet versions, so we can't have a simple sword version.
the current falshion / tegolar sword would do just fine, they just should be added to crafting or starbase or winter event rewards.
currently, i don't even care any more about winter event nano pulse lirpa/batlet. the borg adapts to it and i dislike the handling.
hopefully, there will be changes to it, by adding a sword or partial kinetic damage so the borg wouldn't adapt to all the damage. then, it would be worth it. as it is, it's just another useless item taking limited bank room.
on the other hand, elite borg can constantly repulse you in stf's, when you try to approach for malee, making swords useless and making that strategy not viable.
so, betwin low amount of swords drop, no crafting / drops / no event availability, and borgs repulsion to male wielders, seems developers are disregarding malee completely.
What happened to expose chance? Mine dropped by ~33% overnight, from mid 40s to 30. Really disappointing, especially given how melee unfriendly the new ground queue is.
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I am partial to the Tholian swords for melee the best
In the end, the sword is more than just a weapon, is it not.
Lately, the officers swords used for gala and other ceremonial tasks, are fairly hard based on the katana, bend-shaped, and this since the days of the cavalry (and possible earlier).
Even the sheet seems somewhat related to the saya...
Coincidence, can be, sure.
But the Japanese have been around in the west for a long time now.
The sword is to you want you want it to be. There's no special meaning that you don't attach to it.
dont the hologuards have stun batons in the federation prison system?
In regards to Star Trek, melee weapons are all but out of place. Melee combat (even if maybe awkward from a technical point of view) is a big part of Star Trek and it would need a big overhaul in STO - sadly, I don't think this is feasible since Cryptic can't/doesn't want to make new animations. In theory, however, I'd like to see unarmed combat as a viable choice - enough canon examples all over the place, from the Spock-double-fist-overhead-slam, kirk's missile dropkick to the allmighty palm strike. Not only attacks but also parry moves should be included, maybe even throws. It would be a lot of fun.
One-handed melee weapons like a Romulan gladius-like sword, a mek'leth and similiar klingon weapons, a Starfleet stun baton, ushaan-tor knives and original creations should be able to be dual-weld, combined with a pistol or be weld one-handed with the ability to block melee strikes and perform evasive step attacks and so on.
Two-handed melee weapons like the Bat'leth, Jem'Hadar polearms, Lirpas and other Klingon spears work pretty much like we already have them, add a more powerful way to deflect attacks to it.
Pistols used one-handed come with a standard martial arts back up (dual-weld with unarmed so to speak) so you can perform basic punches and/or kicks but no way of deflecting blows.
Rifles can rifle-butt or some like the Klingon Honour Guard weapons employ bayonets to improve their melee worth. In addition, rifles should be able to block/deflect melee blows to a degree.
How does blocking work? Look at games like GW2 - when you activate a blocking move you switch to a block stance until the enemy blow is dealt. This blow deals reduced damage or could result in a chance to apply a knockdown effect for the attacker or similiar.
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Oh and I still want those giant Nausicaan rifles with the built-in bayonet.
Butt stroke? nah, I'ma stab you!
Oh and Tegolars already look like Katanas.
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Now expanded to Cryptic original Mirror Universe Electro-Whips or Cat-o-nine tails (Fed variant of the Ferengi Whip) or electro blades.
I already did the sarcastic over-excited katana cultist bit. You don't have to repeat it.
Thank you for that information.
When I am wrong, I am, indeed, wrong.
As for "sword nerd rage", perhaps, but I was thinking we need a melee weapon that embodies the Federation Fleet mentality, which SHOULD be things like valor, honour, and the like.
Much like with the Klingons, and few other species, Jem'Hadar comes to mind, they all have their melee weapon which represents what they are in being: warriors.
It's not just a weapon, but it's a whole lifestyle, an idea.
That is, when you play a Klingon, you get the Blade of Kahless mission, where you, as a Warrior, have to EARN this unique blade.
You even have to travel the Klingon Underworld to get the blasted thing.
And the Federation should have an equally worthy form of icon.
Now, I was pounding on the katana, since it was the most obvious one to depict the ideology behind this weapon, mostly for ceremonial tasks.
If not, do youtube for him...
Quite a baffling fella.
The Bayonet about 18 inchs long A sturdy buttstock for buttstroke's
A bayoneted rifle would be better in shipboard combat
Get nasty add a pump shotgun under the rifle
Spearmen trump swordsman or better
Swordsman make movies
Spearman make history
Remember the movie..The 300
Energy Dampning fields make melee weapons pratical ,, and kinetic weapons like our own modern weapons such as the M-16 or AK-74 or even a auto pistol
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
But the bajonet sadly has a VERY bad reputation...
It's darned inhuman, therefor not the right weapon to be used, ceremonial.
That is not a katana its a marine stylised sabre
Marine sabre
Look famlar?
Looks awefully familar
At the beginning I thought it was a saber too, since the maco is more or less the more military part of star fleet, but then i got reminded by dinosaurs with laser cannons and katans are quiete popular nowadays, so decided to write katana in the op.
Well,i for one would prefer a knight armour with sword and shield to fight those evul klingons and heralds but a katana is fine too.
Now, the only way to know for sure is to ask the one that made the picture.
It is confusing, I give you that.
But, it seems to me that the blade for a sabre is more narrow, and has a less pronounced cutting edge.
Then, I am not known with sabres...
To be honest, it seems obvious you are a katana fanboy. No matter what we say, you want it so hard to be a katana, that it is for you.
So yeah, it's a katana. You won.
personally i don't like the lirpa or the batlet combos and handling.
starbase only provides lirpa and batlet versions, so we can't have a simple sword version.
the current falshion / tegolar sword would do just fine, they just should be added to crafting or starbase or winter event rewards.
currently, i don't even care any more about winter event nano pulse lirpa/batlet. the borg adapts to it and i dislike the handling.
hopefully, there will be changes to it, by adding a sword or partial kinetic damage so the borg wouldn't adapt to all the damage. then, it would be worth it. as it is, it's just another useless item taking limited bank room.
on the other hand, elite borg can constantly repulse you in stf's, when you try to approach for malee, making swords useless and making that strategy not viable.
so, betwin low amount of swords drop, no crafting / drops / no event availability, and borgs repulsion to male wielders, seems developers are disregarding malee completely.
There's like all of three, and one is faction specific.