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Could the Iconian War be the savior of pvp?
jaymaverick007
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As I have been looking at it recently. with all of the servitor races that serve the Iconians.
Could this be a build up for a new factions for player controlled races and ships. with possible shifting alliance of the cardassians and Klingons, and romulans.
Could there now be a possibility of a War Zone ahead with Open pvp??? If so that would be terrific and create an awesome endgame experience to use all of our items we have earned and purchased up to this point.
All I can say is that an Open Pvp War Zone with in the Andromeda Galaxy would be the ultimate end game experience to me. how awesome I think to my self if they went that way.
This Open Pvp War Zone could have many things involved with capturing dyson spheres or taking out Iconian servitor, systems.
Capture and hold of planets / star systems between alpha quadrant allies and the Iconian Empire/ Servator Races. This War could go on years, like the old Klingon way almost could have.
It could also lead into incredible new content. Plus it could lead new diplomatic tensions and storys in the alpha quadrant as the balance of power may change in favor or against the iconians.
im excited about this possibility a lot cryptic! im sry I may seem to be rambling as I should be sleeping, but I think this could breath a great amount of life into your game!!
Good idea and great job cryptic if this is where you are headed!!!
Could this be a build up for a new factions for player controlled races and ships. with possible shifting alliance of the cardassians and Klingons, and romulans.
Could there now be a possibility of a War Zone ahead with Open pvp??? If so that would be terrific and create an awesome endgame experience to use all of our items we have earned and purchased up to this point.
All I can say is that an Open Pvp War Zone with in the Andromeda Galaxy would be the ultimate end game experience to me. how awesome I think to my self if they went that way.
This Open Pvp War Zone could have many things involved with capturing dyson spheres or taking out Iconian servitor, systems.
Capture and hold of planets / star systems between alpha quadrant allies and the Iconian Empire/ Servator Races. This War could go on years, like the old Klingon way almost could have.
It could also lead into incredible new content. Plus it could lead new diplomatic tensions and storys in the alpha quadrant as the balance of power may change in favor or against the iconians.
im excited about this possibility a lot cryptic! im sry I may seem to be rambling as I should be sleeping, but I think this could breath a great amount of life into your game!!
Good idea and great job cryptic if this is where you are headed!!!
Retired Rear Admiral-Jay Maverick-
Known simply as -Maverick-
Klingons should Beware of Maverick.
Maverick loves a fight and tends to be victorious even as the underdog.
He has an aptitude for tactics,guerrilla warfare and security.
"United Federation of Planets"
12th Fleet - Intelligence Division "Khalija" - Alpha Group
Not on Current Assignment.-On Retirement leave at Leach Lake in Minnesota
Known simply as -Maverick-
Klingons should Beware of Maverick.
Maverick loves a fight and tends to be victorious even as the underdog.
He has an aptitude for tactics,guerrilla warfare and security.
"United Federation of Planets"
12th Fleet - Intelligence Division "Khalija" - Alpha Group
Not on Current Assignment.-On Retirement leave at Leach Lake in Minnesota
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Known simply as -Maverick-
Klingons should Beware of Maverick.
Maverick loves a fight and tends to be victorious even as the underdog.
He has an aptitude for tactics,guerrilla warfare and security.
"United Federation of Planets"
12th Fleet - Intelligence Division "Khalija" - Alpha Group
Not on Current Assignment.-On Retirement leave at Leach Lake in Minnesota
The other faction would be races of the Andromeda galaxy? Or the other faction would be of Iconian related races?
There are people in it that need some maturing. That is for sure.
Just relize with those people. At some point everyone learns in their life that you don't have to prove your self to everyone you meet. That comes with time, age, experience, or wisdom. Wisdom can come at anyage. some people have it more then others.
any way. for those people that like to show off to everyone around them.. They do this because they think they have to prove something to everyone. In truth they are only trying to prove something to themselves. this to me is a sign they have some growing to do and some people take longer to go down that path. for a few they never reach near the end of that path.
anyway immaturity is the biggest enemy of pvp. not balance or exploits as it is remembering that you do not have to win every match and put the other guy to shame.
it is ok to acknowledge other peoples skills are good, even if infact they are using an exploit. Most of those guys just want the attention.
I don't really need to burst their bubble whether they are the best player, or not if that is what makes them happy then im happy just to be given a good challenge. There is no such thing a fair fight in real life or any of the star trek battles.
what makes them exciting is that they are not always fair and the opponent is not always on your level sometimes they are far superior.
When I am placed into a no win situation I love it. Cuz I think this is an opportunity to give it my all and try to find a solution out side of the box.
Meaning I actually have to use my brain and imagination. sometimes that helps me stay alive longer or win the match. even If I don't win though I am happy.
pvp is to me the only place in game I can go to face a real challenge and a real fight situation. its nice not having to fight an AI or fly every so far and kill a certain number of mobs of mindless robots.
Known simply as -Maverick-
Klingons should Beware of Maverick.
Maverick loves a fight and tends to be victorious even as the underdog.
He has an aptitude for tactics,guerrilla warfare and security.
"United Federation of Planets"
12th Fleet - Intelligence Division "Khalija" - Alpha Group
Not on Current Assignment.-On Retirement leave at Leach Lake in Minnesota
I know what we can do! Let's fight each other! :rolleyes:
yes. pretty much. however im sure that Andromeda Faction of the war would also include some break off allies like. rogue romluans siding with the iconians or who knows, (cardasian, elachi)
but there could be a whole lot of options. I think some pple would love the idea of playing a herald character.
They could have a whole new story too going through original story with new missions of creating conflicts between alpha quadrant species.
would not need to be as extensive as the Klingons or feds. but as the Klingons were originally going to be. Primarily pvp race or not. but I think it would take a lot of resources that cryptic may not have. however they must be doing ok off the c store as I have bought a lot of stuff just to support the life of this game. so any way I will be hopeful for the future of the game. wether my hope is justified or not.. It cant hurt the game being hopeful. At least I do not feel like doom and gloom..
Known simply as -Maverick-
Klingons should Beware of Maverick.
Maverick loves a fight and tends to be victorious even as the underdog.
He has an aptitude for tactics,guerrilla warfare and security.
"United Federation of Planets"
12th Fleet - Intelligence Division "Khalija" - Alpha Group
Not on Current Assignment.-On Retirement leave at Leach Lake in Minnesota
I think Q answers this better then I ever could :cool:
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Not that I'm saying people wanting to play the KDF was ridiculous... (Maybe expecting equal attention was.)
how did you arrive at that? from everything i know, game engine limitations wont allow a 3rd faction of its own to work in pvp let alone 4, 5 or 6 more factions. so all we got is feds vs kdf again using the subfactions to try move something along which makes fairly little sense.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Because Cryptic has long ago decided that balancing abilities, fixing bugs and having decent QA (all necessary to have a good PvP experience) was too hard.
They decided to cater to guys like him below:
People satisfied with a new missions, new grinds, new ships, no challenge from NPCs and that loves that the game requires less and less skill. Because they always want to easily win.
So the answer to the question in the thread's title is: definitely no. DR is the worse thing that have happened to PvP and it'll get only worse from now on.
Sounds like the Klingons fighting the Federation there.
Even comes up during one of the missions. :P
But, but, but...it's a Kobali Pony!
Burn it before it lays eggs...or whatever it does to propagate
PvP has never had enough players to cater too. For five long years PvPers has cried about how dead their gamestyle is here in STO. Yet somehow it isnt dead enough as they continue to complain about new things that obviously, if PvP was dead, theyd be unable to complain about.
Lets be real here. Most of the abilities in this game that no one uses at one time was nerfed due to PvPers complianing about it. Remember Viral Matrix? Yeah. Whens the last time anyone actually used that ever since the PvP community demanded it be nerfed?
The only thing PvPers have brought to this game are nerfs. Big over reaching nerfs. You never hear PvPers asking for something to be buffed. But youll always hear them demanding nerfs.
Now if your community is so dead. Please by all means. Stay dead and get out of the PvE communities way.
Further, the STO idea of concentrating exclusively on combat turns off a bunch of us Trekkers, who yearn for exploration, diplomacy, and adventures in established realms (UFP/KDF/ROM). Combat is an important component. But Star Trek is more than destruction. It represents building a diverse universe with everyone making a collective effort. If you want us to join PvP, make the experience positive for us.
Right because VM didn't completely shut down a Borg Tactical cube the same way it did players? And it's not like 5 players could just chain VM a Borg Cube with that and kill it with no effort whatsoever, right?
Of course you wouldn't remember that since that was 2010.
But who was also the first to say how useless the current VM is? The PVPers.
The blame game is ignorant and short sighted. The fact is powers get changed and nerfed because they are overpowered, not just in PVP, but in PVE. Whine about it all you want, you apparently lack the objectivity to see how damaging to PVE OP abilities are.
Edit: And to add, the first change to VM largely fixed the PVP issues because the original version prevented you from doing anything, unless someone else used a science team on you to clear it. The change let you use science team on yourself if you were VMed, so you could clear it almost instantly if you had a science team ready. Of course NPCs didn't use science teams, and certainly not intelligently.
^^ These words deserve to be QFT!
That is 100% incorrect.
PvPers have brought nothing but nerfs?
You mean like when PvPers got following things BUFFED?
... so on and so forth.
You specifically give Viral Matrix as an example of things PvPers "ruined." Do you remember the tears when D'Deridex NPCs used PSW and dumped HY Plasmas into people, before they realized how to deal with them? How would you like it if D'Ds did that, but then used the original VM on you, so that you could do literally nothing for more than 10 seconds at a time? Not even Evasive?
To say that PvPers have brought nothing but nerfs is simply slandering PvPers. A lot of people like to cry about Surgical Strikes being nerfed, but if you took 3 seconds to step off your PvP Hate Soap Box and read Borticus' post, you'll see that he quite clearly stated that the Devs conducted their OWN internal testing and deemed it to be overperforming.
The idea of these PvP "nerfs" (and buffs, let's try and not conveniently forget those) is two-fold;
1) To help variety in builds; no one likes just sitting there with 1 de facto build
2) So that everything is "fair" (or as much as can be). Why should you be able to smash through another player or swarm of NPCs so easily that not only can they not mount an adequate defense, but pose the same threat to you? Does it really make sense to you that you should be getting strings of 50k+ Crits from DHCs with Surgical Strikes? Or that swarms of NPCs should literally just sit there defenseless, not even capable of fighting back or maneuvering, with *negative* resistance, while you mow them down with Ionic Turbulence? Should Neutronic Spread 3 still be capable of taking out entire teams of buffed, high resistance, intelligence players?
Get out of the PvE communities way? Why?
So you can continue the cycle of power creep, eventually taking down Tac Cubes in 3 seconds in a lightly armed Sci ship? So you can roflstomp through NPCs that don't complain about blatantly OP abilities/gear? So that you can cry and get things nerfed when NPCs used the most basic of abilities and pose the simplest of threats?
No need to feel so entitled so that you think that people who are simply trying to bring about changes for the GOOD are "in your way."
Cryptic do PvP balancing and expand the cope of PvP in STO?....Hahahahahahahahaha! You must be new to STO; or have some really killer stuff to smoke that I wish you'd share with the rest pf us. (Believe me, I wish you were right, but if you knew the PvP history of STO - you'd understand my response to your post better.):eek::D;)
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Pvp is Dead !! Long Live the Npc's !!
Did you even read the thread? Not even the whole thread, just two replies above yours.
Are you aware that PvPers are asking for things like Aceton Beam and Charged Particle Burst to get buffed?
Are you aware of just how many things PvPers have gotten buffed?
Or are you just going to ignore that and spew on with your anti PvP rhetoric?
Its not quite anti-pvp. For the most part, whenever something gets added or changed, its usually the PvPers who are the loudest voices crying foul over something they view as overpowered because its been used on them to great effect. While there have been a few benefits, for the most part from experience its usually cries of "Nerf" because they get bushwacked by the new thing as they don't know how to defend against it and its easier to just get vocal about it rather than experiment to find good counters.
Granted the only good counter to Intel is more Intel... :rolleyes:
The difference is, PvPers call out on it because it is overpowered or indefensible.
Where is the outcry against the PvE community when they erupted in flames because Spheres were given EPtE? They flew into a fury because enemies could move quickly. They didn't want to adapt their builds or tactics to include things like Chroniton Spreads/EWP/Gravity Well/Tyken's Rift/TBR.
Or the new Sphere Tachyon Beam. Instead of slotting some armor or the Samsar console, they're upset because they have to actually do something instead of sit there and spacebar smash through hordes of NPC meat bags.
People in this game want to be able to do it all; DPS, CC, tank, without the enemies posing the simplest of challenges to them.
I nor other star trek oriented players that like pvp will lay down or give up our fight. we are part of your community. Learn to accept us and we will learn to accept eachother. Many pvpers have accepted pve as the primary part of the game even if it is not what we like the most. ?? But we are still here??? Why Because we are still supporting the game and keeping our eyes on the possibility of better pvp systems in the future.
Like I said earlier it is not the nerfs that kill pvp. It is the immaturity from some of the player base. whinning is a learned behavior and the way our culture has become to dependent on. We have stopped learning how to get things done our selves. Rather then whinning we could all try using constructive feed back so Cryptic devs do not want to tear their eyes out every time they look at the forums.
if you want some one to listen to you it helps to at least act mature or use some honey/sugar.
There is a level of understanding that is missing in many people and it first starts with patients and being able to admit to one's self that you may not be right in your views.
as people from different percpectives can not all see the picture from the right angle and we must all use our pieces together inorder to solve our common problems. The big Puzzle ( solve Problems together)
Immaturity is our biggest enemy here and that can be over come in time. Whinng is a temporary fix. people need to use constructive criticism as much as possible.
We also need to realize we are a diverse community and because of that the game can thrive as long as we don't bash it reputation more and more.
All that does it hurt any chance it has to improve or grow.
I am not going any where. I will continue to support this game as I have since launch in hopes of a wonderful Open Pvp end game experience. I have faith in cryptic. They have show nthat they are trying to listen. I can see they are trying to address playerbase requests by doing polls and such. I recognize their a busness 1st and need to make money too.
Any way Im sure it is hard for a business to listen to a whining group of people that seem to never be happy.
I am very happy with what you have tried to do cryptic. I do hope that you will one day address the open pvp situation as there are many more of me out there.
Known simply as -Maverick-
Klingons should Beware of Maverick.
Maverick loves a fight and tends to be victorious even as the underdog.
He has an aptitude for tactics,guerrilla warfare and security.
"United Federation of Planets"
12th Fleet - Intelligence Division "Khalija" - Alpha Group
Not on Current Assignment.-On Retirement leave at Leach Lake in Minnesota