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Season 10 Predestination paradox
bioixi
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I've been thinking, the coalition that destroyed Iconians 200k year ago didn't leave a trace, and the iconians want revenge on the galaxy, but why would they want revenge if their enemies no longer exist?
THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS US ALL ALONG! we went back in time, we were the coalition that fought the Iconians thousands of years ago, that's why they are back this precise moment, because they can't travel back in time, so they waited, now they are trying to have their revenge in the future, only that way it makes sense.
Why wouldn't they attack 400 years ago? when klingons and federation were basically powerless, they've been monitoring the galaxy since they left, why would they pick a fight against an unified coalition?
All their schemes, were not meant to create discord, the opposite, it was meant to unite the galaxy, one year ago the klingons and the federation were at war, chaos was rampant, why would they try to destabilize an already chaotic situation? all they had to do was invade, one year ago everyone was fighting everyone, and we didn't have access to the delta quadrant.
The Romulan republic exists thanks to the Iconians, the coalition exists thanks to the Iconians, the delta alliance exists thanks to the Iconians, we beat the borg thanks to the Iconians, without the gate to the delta quadrant the borg would still be able to launch attacks at us at will, no way to counter attack.
THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS US ALL ALONG! we went back in time, we were the coalition that fought the Iconians thousands of years ago, that's why they are back this precise moment, because they can't travel back in time, so they waited, now they are trying to have their revenge in the future, only that way it makes sense.
Why wouldn't they attack 400 years ago? when klingons and federation were basically powerless, they've been monitoring the galaxy since they left, why would they pick a fight against an unified coalition?
All their schemes, were not meant to create discord, the opposite, it was meant to unite the galaxy, one year ago the klingons and the federation were at war, chaos was rampant, why would they try to destabilize an already chaotic situation? all they had to do was invade, one year ago everyone was fighting everyone, and we didn't have access to the delta quadrant.
The Romulan republic exists thanks to the Iconians, the coalition exists thanks to the Iconians, the delta alliance exists thanks to the Iconians, we beat the borg thanks to the Iconians, without the gate to the delta quadrant the borg would still be able to launch attacks at us at will, no way to counter attack.
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The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
But also scary. I don't like the idea of living in a temporal loop with no possibility to escape.
Please, let me out! :P
In my opinion, the Iconian as villains concepts doesn't make much sense. They were defeated 200,000 years ago, when most or all of the coalition races we're still primitive cultures. What motivation would they have to come back and kick butt now?
Don't get me wrong - they'll be fun to fight, but the underlying story just doesn't seem plausible.
I don't recall which episode it was in TNG where Klingons, Cardassians, and Feds were running around looking for clues to an ancient mystery and discovered a message from the parent race. Were these the guys that booted out the Iconians? Is this who the Iconians are taking their revenge on, via their distant decendents?
If you think about the STO storyline, though, perhaps the Iconians did not have the ability to come back to this galaxy and take their long awaited revenge until we as captains reactivated the Gateway network in "A Step Between the Stars". Maybe they only had the ability to monitor things in our galaxy, but couldn't affect anything until the network was active again.
So perhaps this reactivation is the catalyst for their eventual destruction 200,000 years ago....it has happened, therefor it will happen again if the OP's theory is correct. It was us that reactivated the network and it'll be us that shut it down when we go back and kick their butts 200,000 years ago sometime in the future...
My head hurts....lol
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What motivation does any species have for conquest that can build Dyson Spheres and teleport them, along witht heir star, anywhere in the universe?
Build a nice Dyson Sphere, find a cozy corner in the empty space between the Galaxies, and lay back! You've got spaces for billions of millions of people. Don't forget your books about the bees and the birds, though, otherwise that place is gonna feel very empty - unless you prefer it that way.
If the star gets old and busted, you can send some scouts to find an unneeded star, "steal" it and go off again. Even if someone would notice your activities... They'd never find you.
One of the greatest mystery is what the Iconians and their servant races are doing with those Spheres. There is no evidence that anyone is still living there, only automated drones and who ever broke into the Sphere - which are either Voth or us for now, and the occasional Undine. Didn't they like the carpet or what?
not really, if you wiped them out 200,000 years ago the same situation would develop again 200,000 years later on and wouldnt explain anything apart from some old background. i dont see the point unless there was a storyline in the present to account for what you did in the past. ex you planted a bomb in the mantle of iconia and its just waiting your present self to detonate it, a 200,000 year old bomb.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
What about the other sphere?
That is the Jenolan sphere, and it has an unstable star as per the TNG episode Relics.
- Miles O'Brien and Miles O'Brien, DS9 "Visionary"
I like this theory. Except that we know the Iconians were working with the Tal Shiar long before the gateways were all reactivated and some of the gateways were still working even before the great activation.
Great, now my head hurts.
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Many people have problems with time, they keep picturing it as a line with loops, I prefer to see it as an spider web,one thread leads to several others and you can go back and forward or sideways to an alternate timeline.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
- The Doctor, Doctor Who "Blink"
"Time is a tangled web. Try not to dwell on all the loose ends."
- Nozdormu, Dragon Aspect of Time, in WoW
"Time isn't a straight line. It's more like a David Lynch movie. It's this wandering, meandering thing that just goes in all directions and if you're very lucky, by the end you'll see some boobies, and maybe some little people."
- Doctor Insano, To Boldly Flee
Now it's starting to sound a little After-School Special.
"The truth is, Billy, it wasn't them. The power of Iconia was in you all along!"
I can understand why the Iconians would want to get us together, if they are so confident they can beat us then why not massively feed their egos by beating us together and with 200,000 years, on top of what they already had of technological development over us... The question is, if we do go back in time to stop this, then why did we do it, knowing the Iconians would still come, what was the point?
I love temporal paradoxes but this one seems a little pointless.
For our timeline to exist we need to go back in time and bombard Iconia, otherwise Iconians would be ruling the galaxy.