As an American, I like the U.S.S. prefix. But I do think some ship names should have the...ahem, "correct" prefix for an option. As a nod to the lineage and history of the ships which bore the name previously. I see no harm at all in Cryptic expanding the prefix list. Because some ship names just look flat wrong to me with a "U.S.S." in front of them. Examples listed below.
U.S.S. Krasny Octyber
I thought I was the only one to call a ship that, I renamed my support crusier it when I heard that Tom Clancy my fave author had passed away. For those thst may be unaware Krasny Octyber is the English spelling of the Russian words for the name Red October which was the name for the Soviet submarine of the same name, which in turn was named after the October Revolution when the comunists took power fron the Russian zars.
As for ship prefixes I use the USS on the majority of ships, but also use the HMS prefix for my Risian corvette and CXS for my Chel Grett. This is purly head cannon on my part because as a Starflert captain I should not be flying these ships, so by using non standard prefixes it denotes these are personal ships. (CXS - Caitian eXperimental Ship)
SSV was used in Mass Effect though. Most notably on the SSV Normandy SR-1.
USS is pretty much ingrained into Federation ship names all the way into the 29th Century.
Ahahahahaha I had no idea ahahahaha -sweats nervously-
Mostly, it was just a wishful "wouldn't it be nice if Trek if..." moment.
I thought I was the only one to call a ship that, I renamed my support crusier it when I heard that Tom Clancy my fave author had passed away. For those thst may be unaware Krasny Octyber is the English spelling of the Russian words for the name Red October which was the name for the Soviet submarine of the same name, which in turn was named after the October Revolution when the comunists took power fron the Russian zars.
Did you know the Communists did not in fact seize control of Russia for several years after the assassination of Tsar Nicholas II? The first government to replace the Empire intended to hold elections for a republic, modeled on that of the US. Its first leader was Prince Georg Lyov, of the Kadet coalition; he was succeeded by Alexander Kerensky, of the Socialist coalition. The provisional government lasted eight months before being overthrown by Lenin and his Bolshevik Party - this was the "glorious October revolution", almost a year after the Tsars fell.
And even then there was fighting until 1923 against the White Russians within Russia itself, plus the Black Army anarchists in Ukraine until 1921 and other insurrections, rebellions, and revolutions elsewhere.
The Bolsheviks won mostly due to a slight advantage in popular support and better organization...amusingly, the exact opposite of what happened in Spain in 1936-39, where the Royalists/Fascists were better organized and supported than any of their Leftist rivals.
he was succeeded by Alexander Kerensky, of the Socialist coalition.
And then General Kerensky took the bulk of the Star League military out of the Inner Sphere into self imposed exile to keep the advanced weapons out of the hands of the successor states. They would return centuries later as the Clans, and launch a campaign to claim Terra and reform the Star League in their image, only to get stonewalled by the Inner Sphere "Barbarians" on Tukkayid, and later dealt a devastating defeat at the hands of a reformed Star League lead by Prince Victor Davion.
Sorry. Couldn't resist. I didn't know there was a real person named Alexander Kerensky, and that he was that important.
And then General Kerensky took the bulk of the Star League military out of the Inner Sphere into self imposed exile to keep the advanced weapons out of the hands of the successor states. They would return centuries later as the Clans, and launch a campaign to claim Terra and reform the Star League in their image, only to get stonewalled by the Inner Sphere "Barbarians" on Tukkayid, and later dealt a devastating defeat at the hands of a reformed Star League lead by Prince Victor Davion.
I'm just glad the Star League was able to rebuild their military after the sneak attack by Xur and the Kodan Armada.
Did you know the Communists did not in fact seize control of Russia for several years after the assassination of Tsar Nicholas II? The first government to replace the Empire intended to hold elections for a republic, modeled on that of the US. Its first leader was Prince Georg Lyov, of the Kadet coalition; he was succeeded by Alexander Kerensky, of the Socialist coalition. The provisional government lasted eight months before being overthrown by Lenin and his Bolshevik Party - this was the "glorious October revolution", almost a year after the Tsars fell.
And even then there was fighting until 1923 against the White Russians within Russia itself, plus the Black Army anarchists in Ukraine until 1921 and other insurrections, rebellions, and revolutions elsewhere.
The Bolsheviks won mostly due to a slight advantage in popular support and better organization...amusingly, the exact opposite of what happened in Spain in 1936-39, where the Royalists/Fascists were better organized and supported than any of their Leftist rivals.
Thank you both, I know a little about the events but not the detail you added. You both helped me fill in the blanks, and if this forum had the ability I'd be giving each of you rep points now.
My Koboli ships are H.M.S. shipname for my characters, you can do most prefixes on none faction ships.
As for the real ships, the only ship in canon with HMS was the Bounty and that was a BoP, and the chances of Cryptic adding HMS to the B'Rel options are the same as the chances Feds will get a B'Rel, i.e. zero.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
in the future, there is no united states OR great britain. they r all part of the United Earth. all ships r given the USS prefix United Star Ship. the federation decided to honor earth by using that designation for all ships., much the same way that they insignia of the USS Enterprise (the delta we all know and love) was used as a tribute to that particular ship.
The Royal Navy I think had the most ships under one flag in history in one particular time.
And now we have about 22 warships (1 carrier, 2 battleships, 19 destroyers and frigates).
My STO ship collection is bigger than that. We have a carrier (HMS Ocean), the soon-to-be flagship with no bloody planes on-board. We're even getting two new 'Queen Elizabeth Class' super-carriers that will be populated by helicopters :rolleyes:.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
probably nothing more than the fact that trek writers during the cold war (when trek was created) were in the US so things they came up with were familiar to them. or theorized advancement of what they were familiar with.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
And now we have about 22 warships (1 carrier, 2 battleships, 19 destroyers and frigates).
My STO ship collection is bigger than that. We have a carrier (HMS Ocean), the soon-to-be flagship with no bloody planes on-board. We're even getting two new 'Queen Elizabeth Class' super-carriers that will be populated by helicopters :rolleyes:.
It's possible the UK is waiting for the F-35 joint strike fighter to roll-out so they can load up on those, since the US and NATO are designing them for all NATO allies to use, so the whole alliance has a top-of-the-line fighter. I wouldn't be surprised if the UK loaded their carriers up with those after the roll-out, unless you guys have had some big defense spending cuts (Though it doesn't sound like it if you have two new super-carriers rolling out).
There have been delays though, Australia got tired of waiting and just bought some more F-15's and i think some F-18's. From what i've read it's getting pretty close to rollout now, the price-per-unit has been dropping rapidly the last couple of months so that's a good sign.
The Royal Navy I think had the most ships under one flag in history in one particular time.
That would be a negative, the US Navy during the Civil War had the largest navy in history and naturally in a couple years after the war, the navy barely had ships to really do anything including selling the world's most powerful ship, the Dunderberg, to the French.
The US Navy in the latter years of WWII was the largest in terms of tonnage.
unless you guys have had some big defense spending cuts (Though it doesn't sound like it if you have two new super-carriers rolling out).
Massive cuts AND massive overspending on new ships. There is one super-carrier coming out soon and one a bit later on.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It's possible the UK is waiting for the F-35 joint strike fighter to roll-out so they can load up on those, since the US and NATO are designing them for all NATO allies to use, so the whole alliance has a top-of-the-line fighter. I wouldn't be surprised if the UK loaded their carriers up with those after the roll-out, unless you guys have had some big defense spending cuts (Though it doesn't sound like it if you have two new super-carriers rolling out).
There have been delays though, Australia got tired of waiting and just bought some more F-15's and i think some F-18's. From what i've read it's getting pretty close to rollout now, the price-per-unit has been dropping rapidly the last couple of months so that's a good sign.
Er..sorry for the off topic.
Yeah we are waiting for the F-35's, since the UK is a "Level 1" partner in the project along with the US.
That would be a negative, the US Navy during the Civil War had the largest navy in history and naturally in a couple years after the war, the navy barely had ships to really do anything including selling the world's most powerful ship, the Dunderberg, to the French.
The US Navy in the latter years of WWII was the largest in terms of tonnage.
Sorry, not quite, actually. While I'm pretty sure the second part of that is accurate, for the 19th (including the American Civil War period) and early 20th Centuries (pre-Dreadnaught era to post WW1 disarmament), the Royal Navy maintained enough line warships and support vessels to engage the second and third largest navies in the world at the same time! (As a matter of government policy, in fact). Every time any rival built more ships, the RN built twice that (possibly even more during the 'Dreadnaught Race' with Germany).
That said, American ship design was always pretty impressive during that period, and even though they tended to abandon them in the early stages, they still fielded a number of concepts decades ahead of everyone else.
As to the actual original topic, while I might have a natural inclination to like the 'HMS' prefix, since there isn't even necessarily a monarch in Star Trek to commission the ships (except possibly in the Mirror Universe), the USS (for United Federation of Planets Starship) makes more sense.
That would be a negative, the US Navy during the Civil War had the largest navy in history and naturally in a couple years after the war, the navy barely had ships to really do anything including selling the world's most powerful ship, the Dunderberg, to the French.
The US Navy in the latter years of WWII was the largest in terms of tonnage.
As for WWII, a pleasant read "Why Japan Really Lost The War." The US Navy when WWII ended was ridiculously large. It had the capacity to fight in strength on two major theaters as well as establish and protect the longest supply lines supporting substantial troop levels in said two theaters. Nobody else could do that in WWII.
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I thought I was the only one to call a ship that, I renamed my support crusier it when I heard that Tom Clancy my fave author had passed away. For those thst may be unaware Krasny Octyber is the English spelling of the Russian words for the name Red October which was the name for the Soviet submarine of the same name, which in turn was named after the October Revolution when the comunists took power fron the Russian zars.
As for ship prefixes I use the USS on the majority of ships, but also use the HMS prefix for my Risian corvette and CXS for my Chel Grett. This is purly head cannon on my part because as a Starflert captain I should not be flying these ships, so by using non standard prefixes it denotes these are personal ships. (CXS - Caitian eXperimental Ship)
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Mostly, it was just a wishful "wouldn't it be nice if Trek if..." moment.
The Bolsheviks won mostly due to a slight advantage in popular support and better organization...amusingly, the exact opposite of what happened in Spain in 1936-39, where the Royalists/Fascists were better organized and supported than any of their Leftist rivals.
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W.T.F. <ship name>
And then General Kerensky took the bulk of the Star League military out of the Inner Sphere into self imposed exile to keep the advanced weapons out of the hands of the successor states. They would return centuries later as the Clans, and launch a campaign to claim Terra and reform the Star League in their image, only to get stonewalled by the Inner Sphere "Barbarians" on Tukkayid, and later dealt a devastating defeat at the hands of a reformed Star League lead by Prince Victor Davion.
Sorry. Couldn't resist. I didn't know there was a real person named Alexander Kerensky, and that he was that important.
In ST-TVH, HMS Bounty was the name McCoy painted on the side of the captured (not stolen) Klingon ship.
Thank you both, I know a little about the events but not the detail you added. You both helped me fill in the blanks, and if this forum had the ability I'd be giving each of you rep points now.
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As for the real ships, the only ship in canon with HMS was the Bounty and that was a BoP, and the chances of Cryptic adding HMS to the B'Rel options are the same as the chances Feds will get a B'Rel, i.e. zero.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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And now we have about 22 warships (1 carrier, 2 battleships, 19 destroyers and frigates).
My STO ship collection is bigger than that. We have a carrier (HMS Ocean), the soon-to-be flagship with no bloody planes on-board. We're even getting two new 'Queen Elizabeth Class' super-carriers that will be populated by helicopters :rolleyes:.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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It's possible the UK is waiting for the F-35 joint strike fighter to roll-out so they can load up on those, since the US and NATO are designing them for all NATO allies to use, so the whole alliance has a top-of-the-line fighter. I wouldn't be surprised if the UK loaded their carriers up with those after the roll-out, unless you guys have had some big defense spending cuts (Though it doesn't sound like it if you have two new super-carriers rolling out).
There have been delays though, Australia got tired of waiting and just bought some more F-15's and i think some F-18's. From what i've read it's getting pretty close to rollout now, the price-per-unit has been dropping rapidly the last couple of months so that's a good sign.
Er..sorry for the off topic.
That would be a negative, the US Navy during the Civil War had the largest navy in history and naturally in a couple years after the war, the navy barely had ships to really do anything including selling the world's most powerful ship, the Dunderberg, to the French.
The US Navy in the latter years of WWII was the largest in terms of tonnage.
Massive cuts AND massive overspending on new ships. There is one super-carrier coming out soon and one a bit later on.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Yeah we are waiting for the F-35's, since the UK is a "Level 1" partner in the project along with the US.
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Sorry, not quite, actually. While I'm pretty sure the second part of that is accurate, for the 19th (including the American Civil War period) and early 20th Centuries (pre-Dreadnaught era to post WW1 disarmament), the Royal Navy maintained enough line warships and support vessels to engage the second and third largest navies in the world at the same time! (As a matter of government policy, in fact). Every time any rival built more ships, the RN built twice that (possibly even more during the 'Dreadnaught Race' with Germany).
That said, American ship design was always pretty impressive during that period, and even though they tended to abandon them in the early stages, they still fielded a number of concepts decades ahead of everyone else.
As to the actual original topic, while I might have a natural inclination to like the 'HMS' prefix, since there isn't even necessarily a monarch in Star Trek to commission the ships (except possibly in the Mirror Universe), the USS (for United Federation of Planets Starship) makes more sense.
As for WWII, a pleasant read "Why Japan Really Lost The War." The US Navy when WWII ended was ridiculously large. It had the capacity to fight in strength on two major theaters as well as establish and protect the longest supply lines supporting substantial troop levels in said two theaters. Nobody else could do that in WWII.