Well, that just means they have plenty of existing ships they can create T6 C-Store or lockbox variants with traits of and milk for $30 a pop.
Capitalism at its best.
No, I would say capitalism at it's norm... It's odd how people around here attack Cryptic for trying to turn a buck and adding new tiers of ships, in this case Iconic vessels that already exist, yet I would wager a good chunk of those people are the same idiots who stand in a queue at their local Apple dealer for the latest IPhone, despite already having last year's model...
This came as no shock to me, never before have they included the C-Store ship special items in the Fleet Version. As it was, you bought the C-Store variant for Skins and Consoles unlocks, now you just add the T6 Trait to that list.
Honestly, as long as they continue to honor the fleet module discount for owners of the C-Store version, I'm perfectly ok with it. I'm as big of a critic as anyone on here, but at some point, you have to acknowledge that they have a right to find a way to make a little money in all this. I think keeping the trait with the C-Store variant and offering a module discount for the Fleet Version is perfectly fair.
Yes you get a fleet module discount for owning the C-store version of a ship (I think its only 1 if you have the C-store version and varies if you don't).
As has always been the case though, to own the special console from a ship you have to unlock it through the C-store (with one or two exceptions). It makes sense to me that you should have to buy the C-store version of a ship to unlock its trait too.
I am not sure if you were replying to what I said, or to just add to it. I did want to explain what I was saying just in case.
I was not trying to say that the Fleet versions come with the console that C-Store ships come with. I was only responding to the comment made by ladymyajha. They said that you had to buy the C-Store version, just to unlock access to the Fleet version. I was explaining that you never need to buy the C-Store version just to get a Fleet ship.
Also, I do understand that you and others thing that the T6 Fleet version shouldn't come with a Starship Mastery trait just because the T5 didn't have the consoles. However, if you also think about it, they may not have the console, but they did have the extra console slot to help make up for it.
So it really isn't the same thing, since the T6 C-Store versions of these also have a console. It is like now the C-Store versions have both a console, and a SSMT. But, all the Fleet gets is a console slot. That is unless they are going to give it something else that they just haven't mentioned yet.
Like I said before, I don't buy the Fleet ships anymore. I have one of my own, and have flown different ones that others have let me try out. I personally am not impressed with the T5/T5-U Fleet ships, and most likely will not be impressed with the T6. But, I can understand the concerns of those that will buy them. Especially since they can finally fly the Gal class ship with the Tac Boff seating they have been asking for since before I started playing.
Even if they were not going to give them the SSMT, then I think they should still let them level it to T5 in SSM, and give them a big passive boost that is only for that ship, or make the bonuses at each level have a much higher stat increase. It will not make up for needing to get the C-Store ship just to get the SSMT, but it would at least be something to make up for not getting the console, and the SSMT.
Otherwise, it seems to me like the C-Store version is way better than the Fleet ship because it is unlocked on all Fed characters, and it also comes with the console. 10% hull and shields will not last long at all in an Advance. That plus the extra console slot for me are not worth the cost of needing to buy the ship more than once if you want to use it on more then 1 character. And you are still out the SSMT.
But, I don't chase DPS, or flying ships just because they were Iconic ships, I only fly ships that I just like the looks and feel of when flying them. So, I am most likely not among the majority of players left in the game at this time buying ships.
Yet, I do still see both sides of the issue. I just hope that Cryptic has taken both sides into consideration when making these ships, and are not basing all of these decisions on profit alone.
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ship upgrade token cost zen.. Fleet ship modules cost zen. Some fleet ships cost less then others but ONLY if you allready own the c-store version of the ship.
Most fleet ships are going to require 2000 zen worth of fleet ship modules.. a fleet version of a c-store ship you all ready have will run 500 zen.
Upgrade tokens are an additional zen cost.. 550 Zen I belive.. not in game at the moment to look it up.
there is as of yet no T6U (yet!)
but note that in many cases getting a "ship bundle" gets you numerous console or items that have set bonuses..
If you do said purchases or not is YOUR CHOICE.. I am in entire agreement with the devs in that there isn't any content in the game that cannot be done with a STOCK Tier-5 ship..
You do NOT NEED a T5U, a fleet, a fleet T5U, or a T6 ships to play.. but, it is nice to have.. and if you've stuck around sufficiently long you will recieve eventually a FREE sort of tier 5 plus ship in the form of the Vet DD.. be aware the stock solene DD is also what I would call a T5-plus...and in spite of the belly aching heard is a rather nice ship.. and you can apply a t5u upgrade to it.
Cryptic and PWE will on occasion trot out a freebie or grind t-5 t-5 plus ship as they have done a number of times over the last 3 years (breen ships, winter event, Risien ships summer event... on occasion a special ship from a mission..(ambassadore class, Kamarag BC, Oblisk carrier, the bat fish carrier for the KDF...etc)
Please get over it folks.
Cryptic is not going to change THIS particular aspect just because YOU think its unfair..
Facts: If you can afford it your on equal footing with everyone else that can afford it. If you can't afford it, that not cryptic problem or anyone elses but yours and hopefully your not ignoring the real world around you for this game.. or things will get worse for ya.. I've seen it, it happens, learn wisdom.
If you don't have the extra disposable income to waste on the game then you don't (and it is a waste.. the only thing you'll ever get from STO or any other MMO is memories and hopefully an entertaining time.) deal with it, have fun, make friends.. who knows, maybe some will think that you are SOOOO COOL, that you must have the ship of your choice and they pass you a game code for 2000 zen, or 2,500 zen. (it's happened, I've seen it, and I've done it for other people!)
THIS GAME IS FREE TO PLAY. You can spend money for shineys, but its purely optional.
You can spend your money, or you can spend time grinding dilithium, sell it for Zen, and use someone elses money!
All the zen on the dilthium exchange was bought and paid for by someone.
If you don't have the time to grind out the dilithium to trade for zen, and you don't have the money to buy zen.. that man up, deal with it. You don't it to enjoy the game.
((and of course the fleet t6 ships don't have a trait.. if they did, they would be better then the T-6 ships... and fleet ships can be upgraded..I am absolutly certain that a Fleet T6U is easily the equal of a store T-6 with its 5th trait and special console. The fleet ships will start with the same stats and slots, with slightly more Hull HP, and slightly stronger shield. The Upgrade will add an console slot, more hull HP and strengthen the ships shields. The fleet t-6 with upgrade will simply be significantly stronger over all, but will lack any special console, and the special t-6 ship trait.
Personally, I run Fleet versions of the Vet DD with upgrade on most of my toons.. great little ships. and whats not to love about a ship packing 11 console slots?
I sometime wonder if the folk making these complaints are actually LOOKING at the ship stats.
gawds.. complaining that its not nuff when the t6 fleet ships with up grade are so much more durable then their zen store counterparts. Utterly amazing!
Did you really think this would be the case? The C-store ship has the trait.. the ship only needs to be bought once and once you have it there's only 1 fleet ship module that is needed to get the fleet spec.
No, I would say capitalism at it's norm... It's odd how people around here attack Cryptic for trying to turn a buck and adding new tiers of ships, in this case Iconic vessels that already exist, yet I would wager a good chunk of those people are the same idiots who stand in a queue at their local Apple dealer for the latest IPhone, despite already having last year's model...
Does macdonalds charge you 2$ per fry?
As much as the instant profit dollar sounds good on paper you're turning off more customers that you could have gained in a reasonable pricing standard (or an entirely different scheme).
This is not capitalism working as intended.. more akin to a tourist trap trying to stay afloat.
Did you really think this would be the case? The C-store ship has the trait.. the ship only needs to be bought once and once you have it there's only 1 fleet ship module that is needed to get the fleet spec.
They could unlock the ship trait for fleet ships of those people who have also purchased the c-store version, same way the fleet module discount is unlocked.
That way you don't have to fly around and level up the crappy c-store version until you can switch to the fleet version.
The way they have currently implemented it is just moronic. Incompetent devs at the helm again.
Since when are fleet ships free? They still cost $20-25 worth of fleet modules and no matter weather you bought them or someone else did and you just picked them up on the exchange, it's still $20-25 down their throat.
The whole system seems utterly moronic, especially if you're intending to buy both: with the consoles you could buy the c-store ship, buy the fleet version and transfer the console immediately. Now you are basically forced to fly around in the crappy version to get the skill unlock before you can "upgrade" yourself to the fleet version...
This would bug me if the Fleet version was practical and gave you a tactical console. Nope. Just keeps on piling them engineering consoles... no loss in the short term.
Isn't this exactly the same as all previous fleet ships, but with the consoles rather than the traits?
I think a notable objective difference is that the Mastery Trait first needs to be unlocked, which means you spend some time playing the non-Fleet version. I guess that is kinda the "normal" progression, but the whales and hardcore players on the boards want to jump directly to the final ship they'll fly anyway, and unlock the trait there. Now you have to level twice.
It is at least a QoL issue, I think. That said - levelling the masteries will happen in any case, you basically can't avoid it (unless you play only ground and DOFF, and why would you care about Starship Mastery Traits then?) .
The bigger deal for most people is probably seeing the Starship Mastery as equivalent to the special console. Most just haven't made that connection yet in their mind.
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I think a notable objective difference is that the Mastery Trait first needs to be unlocked, which means you spend some time playing the non-Fleet version. I guess that is kinda the "normal" progression, but the whales and hardcore players on the boards want to jump directly to the final ship they'll fly anyway, and unlock the trait there. Now you have to level twice.
It is at least a QoL issue, I think. That said - levelling the masteries will happen in any case, you basically can't avoid it (unless you play only ground and DOFF, and why would you care about Starship Mastery Traits then?) .
The bigger deal for most people is probably seeing the Starship Mastery as equivalent to the special console. Most just haven't made that connection yet in their mind.
People forget that Cryptic already went through and further reduced the amount of XP required to Master a Starship early on in DR (around the same time as the Tau Dewa fiasco). And were also considering a means of further reducing the XP rate on alts or on Fleet versions after leveling up the ship to T5 on their mains, similar to a Reputation Sponsorship Token.
It seems that this, the Mastery Trait Store ship vs the Non-Trait Fleet ship, was already in the plans from the get-go.
So at the very least, I'm thankful that the XP gains were reduced after all. As well, this too also ensures that players thoroughly test out the ship before deciding if they want to drop another 5 USD or so for the Fleet version.
nope. you didn't have to fly around in the c-store ship for a few hours to move the console from c-store to fleet ship.
and you still dont have to fly around in the cstore ship to move the console from the cstore ship to the fleet ship. i think the point was, a fleet ship has always been a shell, so this is no different. as with all other fleet ships, you get 10% hull, 10% shields and +1 console
I think a notable objective difference is that the Mastery Trait first needs to be unlocked, which means you spend some time playing the non-Fleet version. I guess that is kinda the "normal" progression, but the whales and hardcore players on the boards want to jump directly to the final ship they'll fly anyway, and unlock the trait there. Now you have to level twice.
It is at least a QoL issue, I think. That said - levelling the masteries will happen in any case, you basically can't avoid it (unless you play only ground and DOFF, and why would you care about Starship Mastery Traits then?) .
The bigger deal for most people is probably seeing the Starship Mastery as equivalent to the special console. Most just haven't made that connection yet in their mind.
exaclty so, we dont have to level twice for the trait.. and once we have it we have it. the built in mastery will happen as they happen, and if we are running advanced content it levels fast anyways
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No, I would say capitalism at it's norm... It's odd how people around here attack Cryptic for trying to turn a buck and adding new tiers of ships, in this case Iconic vessels that already exist, yet I would wager a good chunk of those people are the same idiots who stand in a queue at their local Apple dealer for the latest IPhone, despite already having last year's model...
Honestly, as long as they continue to honor the fleet module discount for owners of the C-Store version, I'm perfectly ok with it. I'm as big of a critic as anyone on here, but at some point, you have to acknowledge that they have a right to find a way to make a little money in all this. I think keeping the trait with the C-Store variant and offering a module discount for the Fleet Version is perfectly fair.
I am not sure if you were replying to what I said, or to just add to it. I did want to explain what I was saying just in case.
I was not trying to say that the Fleet versions come with the console that C-Store ships come with. I was only responding to the comment made by ladymyajha. They said that you had to buy the C-Store version, just to unlock access to the Fleet version. I was explaining that you never need to buy the C-Store version just to get a Fleet ship.
Also, I do understand that you and others thing that the T6 Fleet version shouldn't come with a Starship Mastery trait just because the T5 didn't have the consoles. However, if you also think about it, they may not have the console, but they did have the extra console slot to help make up for it.
So it really isn't the same thing, since the T6 C-Store versions of these also have a console. It is like now the C-Store versions have both a console, and a SSMT. But, all the Fleet gets is a console slot. That is unless they are going to give it something else that they just haven't mentioned yet.
Like I said before, I don't buy the Fleet ships anymore. I have one of my own, and have flown different ones that others have let me try out. I personally am not impressed with the T5/T5-U Fleet ships, and most likely will not be impressed with the T6. But, I can understand the concerns of those that will buy them. Especially since they can finally fly the Gal class ship with the Tac Boff seating they have been asking for since before I started playing.
Even if they were not going to give them the SSMT, then I think they should still let them level it to T5 in SSM, and give them a big passive boost that is only for that ship, or make the bonuses at each level have a much higher stat increase. It will not make up for needing to get the C-Store ship just to get the SSMT, but it would at least be something to make up for not getting the console, and the SSMT.
Otherwise, it seems to me like the C-Store version is way better than the Fleet ship because it is unlocked on all Fed characters, and it also comes with the console. 10% hull and shields will not last long at all in an Advance. That plus the extra console slot for me are not worth the cost of needing to buy the ship more than once if you want to use it on more then 1 character. And you are still out the SSMT.
But, I don't chase DPS, or flying ships just because they were Iconic ships, I only fly ships that I just like the looks and feel of when flying them. So, I am most likely not among the majority of players left in the game at this time buying ships.
Yet, I do still see both sides of the issue. I just hope that Cryptic has taken both sides into consideration when making these ships, and are not basing all of these decisions on profit alone.
ranking of quality in ships
stock to tier 5
Tier 5 C-store ships
T-5U
Fleet ships
Fleet T5U
T-6
FLEET T6
FLEET T6U
ship upgrade token cost zen.. Fleet ship modules cost zen. Some fleet ships cost less then others but ONLY if you allready own the c-store version of the ship.
Most fleet ships are going to require 2000 zen worth of fleet ship modules.. a fleet version of a c-store ship you all ready have will run 500 zen.
Upgrade tokens are an additional zen cost.. 550 Zen I belive.. not in game at the moment to look it up.
there is as of yet no T6U (yet!)
but note that in many cases getting a "ship bundle" gets you numerous console or items that have set bonuses..
If you do said purchases or not is YOUR CHOICE.. I am in entire agreement with the devs in that there isn't any content in the game that cannot be done with a STOCK Tier-5 ship..
You do NOT NEED a T5U, a fleet, a fleet T5U, or a T6 ships to play.. but, it is nice to have.. and if you've stuck around sufficiently long you will recieve eventually a FREE sort of tier 5 plus ship in the form of the Vet DD.. be aware the stock solene DD is also what I would call a T5-plus...and in spite of the belly aching heard is a rather nice ship.. and you can apply a t5u upgrade to it.
Cryptic and PWE will on occasion trot out a freebie or grind t-5 t-5 plus ship as they have done a number of times over the last 3 years (breen ships, winter event, Risien ships summer event... on occasion a special ship from a mission..(ambassadore class, Kamarag BC, Oblisk carrier, the bat fish carrier for the KDF...etc)
Please get over it folks.
Cryptic is not going to change THIS particular aspect just because YOU think its unfair..
Facts: If you can afford it your on equal footing with everyone else that can afford it. If you can't afford it, that not cryptic problem or anyone elses but yours and hopefully your not ignoring the real world around you for this game.. or things will get worse for ya.. I've seen it, it happens, learn wisdom.
If you don't have the extra disposable income to waste on the game then you don't (and it is a waste.. the only thing you'll ever get from STO or any other MMO is memories and hopefully an entertaining time.) deal with it, have fun, make friends.. who knows, maybe some will think that you are SOOOO COOL, that you must have the ship of your choice and they pass you a game code for 2000 zen, or 2,500 zen. (it's happened, I've seen it, and I've done it for other people!)
THIS GAME IS FREE TO PLAY. You can spend money for shineys, but its purely optional.
You can spend your money, or you can spend time grinding dilithium, sell it for Zen, and use someone elses money!
All the zen on the dilthium exchange was bought and paid for by someone.
If you don't have the time to grind out the dilithium to trade for zen, and you don't have the money to buy zen.. that man up, deal with it. You don't it to enjoy the game.
((and of course the fleet t6 ships don't have a trait.. if they did, they would be better then the T-6 ships... and fleet ships can be upgraded..I am absolutly certain that a Fleet T6U is easily the equal of a store T-6 with its 5th trait and special console. The fleet ships will start with the same stats and slots, with slightly more Hull HP, and slightly stronger shield. The Upgrade will add an console slot, more hull HP and strengthen the ships shields. The fleet t-6 with upgrade will simply be significantly stronger over all, but will lack any special console, and the special t-6 ship trait.
Personally, I run Fleet versions of the Vet DD with upgrade on most of my toons.. great little ships. and whats not to love about a ship packing 11 console slots?
I sometime wonder if the folk making these complaints are actually LOOKING at the ship stats.
gawds.. complaining that its not nuff when the t6 fleet ships with up grade are so much more durable then their zen store counterparts. Utterly amazing!
*SLAP!*
T7 aren't here yet.
Does macdonalds charge you 2$ per fry?
As much as the instant profit dollar sounds good on paper you're turning off more customers that you could have gained in a reasonable pricing standard (or an entirely different scheme).
This is not capitalism working as intended.. more akin to a tourist trap trying to stay afloat.
They could unlock the ship trait for fleet ships of those people who have also purchased the c-store version, same way the fleet module discount is unlocked.
That way you don't have to fly around and level up the crappy c-store version until you can switch to the fleet version.
The way they have currently implemented it is just moronic. Incompetent devs at the helm again.
This would bug me if the Fleet version was practical and gave you a tactical console. Nope. Just keeps on piling them engineering consoles... no loss in the short term.
It is at least a QoL issue, I think. That said - levelling the masteries will happen in any case, you basically can't avoid it (unless you play only ground and DOFF, and why would you care about Starship Mastery Traits then?) .
The bigger deal for most people is probably seeing the Starship Mastery as equivalent to the special console. Most just haven't made that connection yet in their mind.
It seems that this, the Mastery Trait Store ship vs the Non-Trait Fleet ship, was already in the plans from the get-go.
So at the very least, I'm thankful that the XP gains were reduced after all. As well, this too also ensures that players thoroughly test out the ship before deciding if they want to drop another 5 USD or so for the Fleet version.
nope. you didn't have to fly around in the c-store ship for a few hours to move the console from c-store to fleet ship.
and you still dont have to fly around in the cstore ship to move the console from the cstore ship to the fleet ship. i think the point was, a fleet ship has always been a shell, so this is no different. as with all other fleet ships, you get 10% hull, 10% shields and +1 console
exaclty so, we dont have to level twice for the trait.. and once we have it we have it. the built in mastery will happen as they happen, and if we are running advanced content it levels fast anyways
1) are these 3 t6 fleet ships gonna be the only t6 fleet ships or there are some yet to come? Like fleet intel ships etc.