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Remove the autofail from Advanced and Elite queues
supergirl1611
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As the title says remove the dam autofails from these queues. I am geared to run these missions, i can handle myself in these missions, i am part of several STF channels, but sometimes at certain times when i want to rotate through my 14 toons to farm a certain mission for some R&D materials its not always possible to get a premade team together for 14 runs in a row.
Just remove this dam feature, you should have just introduced a reward reduction for failing the optional and allow players to complete the mission at a reduced reward. say 25%
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Just remove public queues,
Stupid idea to begin with. No wonder public queues are on life support at present, why even try to pug when the mission could fail within a min or less and you get left with time out penalty.
Just remove this dam feature, you should have just introduced a reward reduction for failing the optional and allow players to complete the mission at a reduced reward. say 25%
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Just remove public queues,
Stupid idea to begin with. No wonder public queues are on life support at present, why even try to pug when the mission could fail within a min or less and you get left with time out penalty.
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Elites should not be farmable by 10+ alts in a row like advance is.
That horse is almost as dead beat as Thovan Khev by now.
I agree, the Autofail-Optionals in Advanced queues are a bit much, but leave them alone in Elite. If you can PUG an Elite queue, you are truly... Elite.
Add a bonus to make the optionals
That's the way it should be
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It is but I think its fair to have at least 1 of such a thread running all the time until Cryptics keeps his promise and makes new Advanced = Old Elite. We are getting there but we are not quiet there yet.
I agree with the OP simply because most fail conditions dont provide me with the challenge they where advertised with.
They reach from not even be recognizable in good teams to unbeatable obstacles in bad teams.
If I want to experience a challenge in them Id need to put together a discrete team of good and bad players where my influence on the combined team effort grants me a feeling of accomplishment to have saved the mission right on time.
I end up in such a team on every 10th run at best and on the rest of the time they either hinder me to play or put me to sleep.
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Note: I still enjoy the content and art work, good job on that front.
PVE content that can't be failed is just busy work. The conditions are not hard to meet for the most part if people have halfway decent builds and know the missions.
Go pug that 10x and report back to us
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In my mind there is this progression of difficulties:
Normal > Normal/Optional > Advanced > Advanced/Optional > Elte > Elite/Optional
If Cryptic ever gives in and removes the fail condition for not being able to do "Normal/Option plus harder enemies" (which is just another description of Advanced) then the base reward for advanced should be lower than a Normal/Optional run, maybe even lower than Normal.
Every optional, and there should be multiple of them, would up the reward to current advanced levels including the BNPs and rare R&D mats.
To keep the Elite happy Elite should have autofail mandatory optionals out the wazoo so those in certain channels can feel vastly superior to the Plebeians who dare try to pug in their difficulty.
there we go
but on a serious note to the op...REALLY?
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7006643-queue-revamp
Meh, it was serious. If folks were to look at themselves, picture a team with four others like them, would they stand a chance in Hell of completing the run? Whether it's a build that struggles in normal episodes/missions or having no clue how to do the queue...many folks out there queue to fail.
Conflicting statements.
"What you used to refer to as Elite in our queued events and STFs is now known as Advanced."
"Advanced does offer some new challenges as well. Many objectives that were optional in Normal mode are now required in Advanced mode."
The first does not allow the second.
Mandatory optionals were not part of what we used to call Elite.
Advanced is something completely new and should not have referenced old Elite.
"What you used to refer as Dogs in our queued events and STF are now known as Cats." is what they've effectively said.
"Advanced is like what you used to refer to as elite but more troll friendly." is what they should have said.
What used to be called Elite is no longer what Elite is in the game...the step after Normal, which used to be Elite is now Advanced...here are some additional changes...
edit: Just noticed the edit bit, about ti being more "troll friendly"...and well, yeah - that would be one of the reasons, imho, that channel queues are bumping while public queues aren't. Though, imho, that's not a Cryptic problem...that's a we need an asteroid to hit the planet and wipe the species out sort of problem.
Going that route what we used to call Elite is now Normal.
Depending on the queue, there was a chance to fail things before Delta Rising. One could even fail in Normal. I usually had more failed runs in Normals than I did in Elites.
Would be interesting to have a list comprised of the Mandatory/Optional in the various queues from before DR and what they are now...so folks could see the actual difference. There are also a bunch of folks that have complained about an Optional being a Mandatory when it is still an Optional.
It's not a list that I could put together by any means...had a Crystalline Advanced fail the other day, and I had no clue that it was even possible for that one to fail...lol. It was a trip...a complete lolwut moment.
This also the reason why many people left the game.
There are mandatory completion requirements in advanced PvE missions, and then there are optional goals also. The optional goals are marked as such. Mandatory objectives are not.
You are right but that may be hard to implement because former optionals were turned into mandatories and then back to optionals while other former optionals still remain mandatories in addition to some new optionals which of course are still optionals but may yet be turned into mandatories later on.
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The best part (not really), imho, about the various changes is one can't hit up the Release Notes to see what happened. Hell, there aren't even Release Notes listed for Delta Rising. Makes it a massive PITA to try to track what's been going on in the game...and it's been like that for a wee while now. Stuff might get listed on Tribble, but not Holodeck, even though it goes to Holodeck. Stuff might not be listed on either even though it's obviously happened. It's annoying, imho...
Devs and most players obviously have a difference in understanding what "former Elite = Advanced" means.
The current Advanced replaced the former Elite with the enemies providing about the same challenge in difficulty BUT adjusted to level 60 Mk XIV gear.
So a level 50 with Mk XII gear jumping into an Advanced queue will struggle more than a maxed out toon obviously.
Once the team fulfills the demands of the adjusted difficulty and knows the mission from normal well enough, failing the new mandatories should not even be in question.
But that's not true in the least. Even the Elites aren't adjusted for 60s in Mk XIV gear. A 60 with VR Mk XI gear is massively overkill for Advanced. The requirements for an Advanced aren't even 1/20th of the potential in the game.
A T5 9 console boat with mission rewards and random loot drops is overkill for Advanced content.
The DPS requirement going from pre-DR Elite to DR Advanced is ~1-2k additional DPS.
Just cause there are folks out there doing 30k, 60k, 90k+ doesn't meant that's what's required to do an Advanced. Hell, for an ISA...the whole team doesn't even need 30k to get the Optional. If five folks show up doing 1-2k DPS though, yeah - they're going to have problems. They would have had problems doing that in an Elite pre-DR as well. Folks showing up to fail are going to make it more likely that things will fail...it doesn't take much to avoid that.
Aye, Thursday January 29th...I believe it was. Could be wrong, as I mentioned - release notes have been TRIBBLE for some time. I'm going to see if I can't actually hunt (no pun) this one down...I freaking hate how bad the release notes have gotten. Nope, it was before then - cause that was just the adjustment to health, no? Even in Nov there was a discussion about failing BH because of the Alarm bugs. Hrmm, even at the start of Nov there was. It's a trip reading all these things where folks reference changes, going to the notes that should reflect those mentioned changes, and there's nothing there. Hell, on Nov 5th there was a thread discussing the nerfing of the Advanced and them being easier...but there are no patch notes for it.
There is one reason why they won't be removed: argonite gas.
The most failed missions = borg disconnected and azure nebula. The reward - argonite gas.
The artificially created scarcity of argonite drives sales of R&D packs. It's that simple.
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I support removing the autofails for advanced as well since advanced is supposed to be the old elite. A lot of other players support this as well, but the developers don't care and won't communicate a response. Then the devs wonder why the disconnect between the players and the devs grows larger and larger.
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