In a country, where manager salaries have increased by an average of 300% percent, and salaries for working class jobs stagnated, you are actually trying to tell me and the rest of the world that labour cost is unaffordable?
Idk where you're getting "manager salaries have increased by an average of 300%." Take-home wages have remained stagnant, but that's at the same time the cost of labor to business has increased dramatically.
See, the business has to pay all this extra money for every employee, money that the employee never sees and most aren't even aware of. With how much the Unaffordable Care Act jacked up the cost of health care, if an employer chooses to continue offering health insurance, that's an increase in costs to the employer of thousands of dollars per employee, assuming they also offered health insurance before the UCA. The employee may never even be aware that their multi-thousand dollar raise is being handed to someone else.
And I'm sure fracking is ok, that is why the CEO of an oil company that did fracking themselves went to court to prohibit drilling near his ranch.
Like how the Kennedys had a proposed wind turbine farm moved because it was going to be within view of their estate? No doubt at considerable cost to the state of Massachusetts, which presumably had already sunk millions or tens of millions into the project already.
I mean I know you americans are mostly driven by your primal instincts so human nature is a welcome excuse for doing inhumane things. I think it is a great feat to say that we are above our human nature in the 21th century.
You are not above human nature; you're just willfully ignoring it. DSK and Prince Andrew say hi.
Go outside, plant a tree. Call your local government representative. Call your mom. Brush the neighbor's cat. Buy the old lady down the road a new umbrella.
Do something of any real human value other than this.
Switzerland outlawed new mosque construction, because the landscape of Zurich has more minarets now than steeples.
That's BS, Zurich has a strict building code that even limits skyscrapers and other modern buildings. and there are only four minarets in the entire country. Nice fearmongering. Are you going to start spouting out the nonsense that Shari'a Law is gaining such a foothold in the US, that there needs to be a ban on "foreign law" while advocating the sanctity of biblical law?
Like how the Kennedys had a proposed wind turbine farm moved because it was going to be within view of their estate? No doubt at considerable cost to the state of Massachusetts, which presumably had already sunk millions or tens of millions into the project already.
I think Homer Simspon said it best.
"Wait, I finally get what you're saying. Fracking is great, but the only place it should ever happen is in other people's towns."
I say we let the politicians politicize, idiots be idiots, let the gamers be gamers, the nerds be nerds, and give every country its own choices on how to govern themselves, and give everyone free nitrogen and oxygen to breath in and let the sun shine. Let's just leave this TRIBBLE at that, shall we?
Obama is not the best ruler, and he is not the worst either. Same goes for every ruler cause EVERYONE has room for improvement.
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Which is more absurd, the anti Spock article on the political website linked in the first post or the fact that said site for some reason has a section for the super model Kate Upton*?
Which is more absurd, the anti Spock article on the political website linked in the first post or the fact that said site for some reason has a section for the super model Kate Upton*?
*Under culture.
Having more art on a website is almost always a good thing.
I loved Spock, said President Obama, reacting to the death of actor Leonard Nimoy. Why? Because Spock reminds him of himself. The galaxys most famous Vulcan, the president wrote, was Cool, logical, big-eared, and level headed, the center of Star Treks optimistic, inclusive vision of humanitys future. Just like you know whom.
I call B.S. If he loved Spock he would have known it was a Mind-Meld. Nerds everywhere were physically in pain.
He said something nice about Leonard Nimoy on his passing. Cool.
The End.
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true. Except for a T5 Connie. That would be f*%#ing awesome." - Mr. Spock
Another attempt by another politician to get himself in front of the cameras in a positive light. Followed by another attempt by someone to psycho-analyze said politician's ulterior motives.
Neither does anything positive for the conditions of my country, my planet, or the Universe in general.
Voting republican condemns our children into having to re-fight the same battles for civil rights that our Grandparents had won years ago.
i'm pretty sure that political bashing is against forum rules. you don't have to be democrat to enjoy science, science fiction, video games, or star trek. for that matter, there are many fine republicans who are spearheading the way to help out underprivilaged people. there are also many people who vote republican but don't identify as republican. they essentially are anti-democrat. some call themselves libertarians or independent. another great way to describe it is that the republican party is a party of bad ideas, and the democrat party is a party of no ideas. and one party stands up and says: "i got a really baaaddd idea!" and the other party stands up and says "and i can make it crappier!!"
if you want to identify with that type of nonsense, go right ahead. it's a free country. but this isn't the place for it.
It's not confined to Democracy. The real problem is mobility-the same exact situation occurs in totally, thoroughly un-democratic systems.
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it's how state-socialism maintains.
But there's still no humane alternative is there? In a non socialist state, no help is given to the bottom at all, for any reason, all focus is given to the top, services are restricted unless for the top etc.
Fundamentally flawed or not no conservative system is anything other than openly elitist and uncaring towards all but the rich.
Makes ya wonder, don't it? Perhaps it remains un-nuked because the OP's post reflects the values of the Mod Staff sufficiently that they feel it to be 'centrist and balanced'..?
Um no. This discussion is all against the TOS which the mods have to uphold regardless of their own views.
It may be possible that volunteer mods may have their own personal lives outside of the forums perhaps :rolleyes:.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Posting article here so you won't have to feed this goon any clicks:
I Don’t Love Spock
Column: President Obama’s favorite Star Trek character is an appeasing arrogant jerk
BY: Matthew Continetti
March 6, 2015 5:00 am
“I loved Spock,” said President Obama, reacting to the death of actor Leonard Nimoy. Why? Because Spock reminds him of himself. The galaxy’s most famous Vulcan, the president wrote, was “Cool, logical, big-eared, and level headed, the center of Star Trek’s optimistic, inclusive vision of humanity’s future.” Just like you know whom.
The president is not the only writer who has drawn comparisons between himself and Spock. I am also a Star Trek fan, but I admit I was somewhat confused by my rather apathetic reaction to Nimoy’s death. And as I thought more about the president’s statement, I realized he identifies with the very aspects of the Spock character that most annoy me. I don’t love Spock at all.
Not only do Spock’s peacenik inclinations routinely land the Enterprise and the Federation into trouble, his “logic” and “level head” mask an arrogant emotional basket case. Unlike the superhuman android Data, a loyal officer whose deepest longing is to be human, Spock spends most of his life as a freelancing diplomat eager to negotiate with the worst enemies of Starfleet. He’s the opposite of a role model: a cautionary tale.
Spock cares only for himself. He returns to the Enterprise in Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979) only because he believes the superior intelligence of V’ger might help him finally purge all human elements from his soul. True, he sacrifices himself for the good of the ship in Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan (1982), but Spock’s renunciation of self is not as total as we are led to believe. He knows he has a fallback position. He knocks out McCoy and—without the doctor’s consent—transfers part of his consciousness to his old friend.
The crew then spends the following two movies breaking countless regulations to bring Spock back to life. They steal the Enterprise, illegally pilot it out of Space Dock, trespass on the Genesis planet, blow up the Enterprise, hijack a bird-of-prey and kill its entire crew, take the stolen Klingon vessel to Vulcan, and return to Earth despite a travel ban imposed by the president of the Federation at the beginning of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986). Illustrating the absurdly liberal future envisioned by Gene Rodenberry, where there is no money or human want or, apparently, rule of law, despite all of these crimes Kirk and Spock and company are rewarded with a brand new ship at the end of the fourth film.
Spock is the reason Sybok captures this just-off-the-assembly-line Enterprise in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (1989) and comes very close to delivering it to an insane, frightening god entity that sounds like Orson Welles. Most damning to his reputation, however, has got to be the mess Spock creates in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991). Unbeknownst to his best friend, Spock has taken up secret negotiations with the Federation’s mortal enemy, the Klingon Empire, to dismantle the neutral zone and end the military dimension of Starfleet. Then Spock decides the best person to accompany the Klingon high chancellor to a galactic peace conference is Kirk, whom the Klingon’s despise (in the words of the great John Schuck: “There shall be no peace as long as Kirk lives!”) and who hates them in return. What a brilliant idea.
Furthermore, Spock volunteers Kirk for the job without the captain’s permission. His decision thoughtlessly plays into the hands of the interstellar conspiracy to foment war between the Federation and the Klingons, because the plot’s leaders see Kirk as the perfect fall guy for the assassination of Chancellor Gorkon.
Spock’s ethnocentrism, combined with “illogical” romantic attraction, leads him to promote one of the conspirators, Lieutenant Valeris, to a bridge position wherefrom she manipulates the investigation into Gorkon’s death, conceals evidence, and murders two co-conspirators. Some judge of character, that Spock.
Then, when Kirk surrenders himself to General Chang, Spock plants a ridiculously conspicuous Viridian Patch on Kirk’s shoulder so he can trace the captain’s whereabouts. But he has no need to track Kirk because the captain’s trial is broadcast across the quadrant and the Klingon judge says specifically where Kirk and McCoy will be imprisoned.
A routine planetary scan of Rura Penthe would have alerted the Enterprise the moment Kirk emerged from the energy shield. Was Spock hoping the Klingons would see the patch and murder him and McCoy for attempting to escape? We’ll never know.
Kirk eventually figures out the murder mystery and once again saves civilization. But Spock’s colossal blunder does not stop him from disappearing from the Federation decades later and turning up on Romulus, where he begins unauthorized negotiations with yet another illiberal adversary of the Federation. This time he has befriended Romulan Senator Pardek, with whom he hopes to arrange for the unification of the Vulcan and Romulan peoples.
But of course Pardek is playing Spock for a fool. Reunification is a guise for an audacious Romulan invasion of Vulcan that draws inspiration from the Soviet taking of Iceland in Red Storm Rising (1986). It is only because the Enterprise-D has been sent to the neutral zone, and Captain Picard and Lieutenant Commander Data have been dispatched to Romulus to locate and secure Spock, that the plot against the Federation is revealed before it’s too late.
I also find it noteworthy that Commander Sela and Proconsul Neral believe there is a chance that Spock will actively cooperate with their plan—evidence that the ambassador’s loyalties aren’t clear even to the Romulans. What’s more, despite inadvertently starting yet another war, Spock insists he remain on the home world of the most aggressive and conniving galactic power. In a massive (but unusual) lapse in judgment, Picard agrees.
Amazingly, though, such disastrous negotiations with Klingons and Romulans aren’t even the worst things Spock does. If we accept Star Trek (2009) as canon then the “cool” and “level-headed” Spock is responsible for the destruction not only of his home world and the death of 6 billion Vulcans but of the entire Star Trek timeline that audiences have loved for almost 50 years. As usual, evil happens because Spock is too idealistic, too in thrall to a value-neutral conception of science, to consider the unintended consequences of his actions.
The 2009 movie has a backstory that is complicated and silly, and I am too tired to recount it in detail so you can read a synopsis here. Nevertheless, Star Trek is an enjoyable picture that is revealing of Spock’s awfulness. It shows how Spock (played by Zachary Quinto) is tormented, physically and mentally, by the fact that his mother is human, how Mr. Logic is actually a boiling kettle of fury, resentment, passion, and ambition. Spock is a jerk to his girlfriend Uhura (Zoe Saldana), who is way out of his league. He almost kills Kirk (Chris Pine). He is so overcome with emotion he relieves himself from duty in the middle of a huge crisis.
Spock is rude to his father. “I never knew what Spock was doing,” Sarek (Mark Lenard) tells Picard in “Unification 1.” “When he was a boy, he would disappear for days into the mountains. I would ask him where he had gone, what he had done; he’d refuse to tell me. I forbade him to go; he ignored me.” Spock and Sarek fight constantly throughout the Trek continuity, despite Sarek’s offering his son countless diplomatic opportunities that Spock invariably messes up. Then Spock ignores his father for years as Sarek suffers from Bendai Syndrome and dies.
And Obama likes this selfish jerk? The coolness the president so appreciates in Spock is a thin veneer over a remarkably arrogant and off-putting detachment from human suffering. Dr. McCoy, played by the charming DeForest Kelley, bitingly exposed this truth about Spock’s nature again and again. Discussing the Genesis Project in Wrath of Khan, for example, Spock lectures McCoy, “Really, Dr. McCoy. You must learn to govern your passions. They will be your undoing. Logic suggests—”
But McCoy won’t hear it—and he’s right. “Logic? My God, the man’s talking about logic; we’re taking about universal Armageddon!”
All Spock can do is pretentiously raise his famous eyebrow.
Spock is ashamed of his humanity. He flees it. In Star Trek VI Kirk tells Spock, “Everyone’s human.” Spock says he finds that sentiment offensive.
My favorite scene in “Unification 2”: Spock and Data are alone, collaborating on a technical project. Spock muses on the Vulcan aspects of Captain Picard, which Data finds curious because Picard has been a model for his emulation of humanity. Spock can’t understand why Data would want to be more human. “You have an efficient intellect, superior physical skills, no emotional impediments,” he says. “There are Vulcans who aspire all their lives to achieve what you’ve been given by design.”
“You are half human?” Data asks.
“Yes,” Spock says.
“Yet you have chosen a Vulcan way of life?”
“I have,” Spock says.
“In effect,” says Data, “you have abandoned what I have sought all my life.”
The two look at each other in silence.
It’s in this scene where Data’s superiority to Spock is most apparent. Data not only has the mental and physical edge over practically everyone, he is curious and earnest and humane, while Spock is moody, flip, detached, and self-consciously superior. Data wants to fit in, while Spock displaces his anxieties over his bicultural heritage onto his family and work relationships. Data’s words and actions are the result of blind unerring computation, while Spock is a creature of inner conflict and envies his famous and high achieving father. I’d pick Data over Spock for my first officer any day.
What Leonard Nimoy’s death revealed is that there is a sizable portion of Trek fans, and of nerds in general, that identifies with Spock’s neuroses, his hang-ups, his self-loathing, that are attracted to the cold soulless abstractions through which he views life, who believe in the na
Party politics only allows for the interests of the party to be pushed on the people. Public Indoctrination Centers, also known as public schools, have been pushing political agendas as long as I can remember, which is a pretty damn long time. No party, no party platform should be permitted to exist. Politicians should have to answer questions on issues with answers that are backed up by research and evidence, not emotional reactions, not religious beliefs, not by science alone. Actual research, actual evidence, actual knowledge with backing sources should be the only thing allowed to be used for answers to issues.
Media is also bad. The news should be forced to be totally impartial. It used to be that the media was required to be impartial, it no longer seems to be that way, as EVERY network, whether in Europe, the US, or anywhere else has a political agenda to push. "If you disagree, you're wrong. If you disagree, you're racist. If you disagree, you're islamophobic, homophobic, etc" pretty much any communist created buzzword they can find, they will use. ON BOTH ENDS. Media in this day and age are pushing sensationalism and politics, not actual news coverage. An example is pretty easy to find, especially here in the US... no news outlet will ever mention the race of a black or Arab attacker (except Fox) if the attack is against a white person. Ergo, Fox will not mention the white person attacking unless they are on the left.
Globalism and communism are one and the same. They HAVE to be stopped. The only answer is Nationalism, getting rid of Socialism, ending all immigration from anywhere, and getting economies straightened out at home first.
Actually, having gone back and read the article, I'm more pissed about the negative portrayal of Spock. Clearly, the guy who wrote this piece only had enough understanding of Spock's character to cherry-pick things that could be framed negatively.
/nerd
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true. Except for a T5 Connie. That would be f*%#ing awesome." - Mr. Spock
Eh, let's face it, the right-wing gibberish is amusing. Like a monkey throwing its own excrement.
As someone who believes that the left/right system is totally broken, I'd say that comment works for both sides. If I were watching these politicians, media personalities, and internet commenters and I didn't know anything about either party I think I'd ask, "What's the difference? They're all acting with the same level of insanity."
Eh, let's face it, the right-wing gibberish is amusing. Like a monkey throwing its own excrement.
I'd advise reading Empire by Orson Scott Card (Like in my Sig!:D) to see a good example of why comments like this are.... interesting, and destructive. From both sides.
I'd advise reading Empire by Orson Scott Card (Like in my Sig!:D) to see a good example of why comments like this are.... interesting, and destructive. From both sides.
I've read Card. Library books only, of course, since I won't fund that homophobic bigot. But let's just say that his political views are on his sleeve throughout that book, and they are VERY right-wing.
Globalism and communism are one and the same. They HAVE to be stopped. The only answer is Nationalism, getting rid of Socialism, ending all immigration from anywhere, and getting economies straightened out at home first.
So you get a nationalist society, then what? How do you fix it without socialism? You remove the only system protecting the poor and vulnerable and replace it with what? How do you fix the society other than by simply removing the poor? You cant fix the economy without picking a economic model i.e. socialism.
Also you clearly don't know what globalism is, or communism for that matter.
Also, this thread got moved rather than closed? Not that I'm complaining, it does make an interesting read for the occasional post.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I've read Card. Library books only, of course, since I won't fund that homophobic bigot. But let's just say that his political views are on his sleeve throughout that book, and they are VERY right-wing.
Ah, since I know you're rather civil Worffan, can I bounce this argument around then? What is wrong with a right wing point of view?
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Idk where you're getting "manager salaries have increased by an average of 300%." Take-home wages have remained stagnant, but that's at the same time the cost of labor to business has increased dramatically.
See, the business has to pay all this extra money for every employee, money that the employee never sees and most aren't even aware of. With how much the Unaffordable Care Act jacked up the cost of health care, if an employer chooses to continue offering health insurance, that's an increase in costs to the employer of thousands of dollars per employee, assuming they also offered health insurance before the UCA. The employee may never even be aware that their multi-thousand dollar raise is being handed to someone else.
Like how the Kennedys had a proposed wind turbine farm moved because it was going to be within view of their estate? No doubt at considerable cost to the state of Massachusetts, which presumably had already sunk millions or tens of millions into the project already.
You are not above human nature; you're just willfully ignoring it. DSK and Prince Andrew say hi.
Switzerland outlawed new mosque construction, because the landscape of Zurich has more minarets now than steeples.
Illegal immigration is a major issue in Italy, France, and likely other parts of Europe.
More name calling.
You make yourself look worse with every post.
Oh anguish, someone on the Internet is wrong!
Go outside, plant a tree. Call your local government representative. Call your mom. Brush the neighbor's cat. Buy the old lady down the road a new umbrella.
Do something of any real human value other than this.
That's BS, Zurich has a strict building code that even limits skyscrapers and other modern buildings. and there are only four minarets in the entire country. Nice fearmongering. Are you going to start spouting out the nonsense that Shari'a Law is gaining such a foothold in the US, that there needs to be a ban on "foreign law" while advocating the sanctity of biblical law?
I think Homer Simspon said it best.
"Wait, I finally get what you're saying. Fracking is great, but the only place it should ever happen is in other people's towns."
Obama is not the best ruler, and he is not the worst either. Same goes for every ruler cause EVERYONE has room for improvement.
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Time travel and glass-cannon ships hurt my head and is NOT what Trek is about. Trek is exploration, becoming better as a species, and gaining scientific knowledge while holding on to the traditions that got us where were are.
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Having more art on a website is almost always a good thing.
I call B.S. If he loved Spock he would have known it was a Mind-Meld. Nerds everywhere were physically in pain.
He said something nice about Leonard Nimoy on his passing. Cool.
The End.
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i'm pretty sure that political bashing is against forum rules. you don't have to be democrat to enjoy science, science fiction, video games, or star trek. for that matter, there are many fine republicans who are spearheading the way to help out underprivilaged people. there are also many people who vote republican but don't identify as republican. they essentially are anti-democrat. some call themselves libertarians or independent. another great way to describe it is that the republican party is a party of bad ideas, and the democrat party is a party of no ideas. and one party stands up and says: "i got a really baaaddd idea!" and the other party stands up and says "and i can make it crappier!!"
if you want to identify with that type of nonsense, go right ahead. it's a free country. but this isn't the place for it.
But there's still no humane alternative is there? In a non socialist state, no help is given to the bottom at all, for any reason, all focus is given to the top, services are restricted unless for the top etc.
Fundamentally flawed or not no conservative system is anything other than openly elitist and uncaring towards all but the rich.
Yes, but that's the lunatic fringe so it doesn't count :rolleyes:.
Um no. This discussion is all against the TOS which the mods have to uphold regardless of their own views.
It may be possible that volunteer mods may have their own personal lives outside of the forums perhaps :rolleyes:.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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How dare they? The nerve of some folks these days.
To be fair, Obama is nothing like Spock, so should not compare himself. But yes, that guy is a bit of a TRIBBLE.
Party politics only allows for the interests of the party to be pushed on the people. Public Indoctrination Centers, also known as public schools, have been pushing political agendas as long as I can remember, which is a pretty damn long time. No party, no party platform should be permitted to exist. Politicians should have to answer questions on issues with answers that are backed up by research and evidence, not emotional reactions, not religious beliefs, not by science alone. Actual research, actual evidence, actual knowledge with backing sources should be the only thing allowed to be used for answers to issues.
Media is also bad. The news should be forced to be totally impartial. It used to be that the media was required to be impartial, it no longer seems to be that way, as EVERY network, whether in Europe, the US, or anywhere else has a political agenda to push. "If you disagree, you're wrong. If you disagree, you're racist. If you disagree, you're islamophobic, homophobic, etc" pretty much any communist created buzzword they can find, they will use. ON BOTH ENDS. Media in this day and age are pushing sensationalism and politics, not actual news coverage. An example is pretty easy to find, especially here in the US... no news outlet will ever mention the race of a black or Arab attacker (except Fox) if the attack is against a white person. Ergo, Fox will not mention the white person attacking unless they are on the left.
Globalism and communism are one and the same. They HAVE to be stopped. The only answer is Nationalism, getting rid of Socialism, ending all immigration from anywhere, and getting economies straightened out at home first.
Eh, let's face it, the right-wing gibberish is amusing. Like a monkey throwing its own excrement.
Mr. Moderators, tear down this thread!
/nerd
Drop the wings. stop the ideology driven politics. That's the only way that you can have a FUNCTIONAL government.
Besides, wings change face regularily
As someone who believes that the left/right system is totally broken, I'd say that comment works for both sides. If I were watching these politicians, media personalities, and internet commenters and I didn't know anything about either party I think I'd ask, "What's the difference? They're all acting with the same level of insanity."
I'd advise reading Empire by Orson Scott Card (Like in my Sig!:D) to see a good example of why comments like this are.... interesting, and destructive. From both sides.
I've read Card. Library books only, of course, since I won't fund that homophobic bigot. But let's just say that his political views are on his sleeve throughout that book, and they are VERY right-wing.
So you get a nationalist society, then what? How do you fix it without socialism? You remove the only system protecting the poor and vulnerable and replace it with what? How do you fix the society other than by simply removing the poor? You cant fix the economy without picking a economic model i.e. socialism.
Also you clearly don't know what globalism is, or communism for that matter.
Also, this thread got moved rather than closed? Not that I'm complaining, it does make an interesting read for the occasional post.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Ah, since I know you're rather civil Worffan, can I bounce this argument around then? What is wrong with a right wing point of view?
I refuse to debate this on these forums. I am unable to remain civil while discussing politics.
I will say, however, that I consider D*ck Cheney to be the most evil man in the world. And that is all that I will say about my political views here.
Well, since I am currently inexperienced in your views and that of like minded people, perhaps we can converse through PMs?