It isn't this ship, I can tell you that much for certain.
The Strike Cruiser (as linked) is from an old DS9: Dominion Wars PC game; the same game that brought us the Federation Achilles Class (in addition to the Norin and Tonga for the Cardassians). It's unlikely Cryptic do, or will ever posses the rights to those models. The Achilles was asked for back around the time I started playing (some three years ago), and if they had acquired the rights then the Achilles would have likely taken place of the Avenger.
I've read this thread and seen what I've seen, and I have to say - I smiled.
The era of the super-bug is upon us!!! As it should be. After all, what is STO without it's uber bug ship? Once again, all is good in the universe.
Ofcourse, just like the old one, it will be waaay out of my price range, but whatever. I'll take a super-bug on steroids in game any day over that Voth TRIBBLE in space.
I swear I will NEVER understand the obsession with this ship.
Why a ship that was so very, very medicore in the DS9 TV series has to be some OP uber-ship in STO is completely beyond me. They really were nothing special and their most powerful attack was 'ram ship into another ship'.
I just don't get it.
There's a simple motive behind it. One of the devs liked the ship.
That's the reason why it was the best escort back then when it was introduced. And since it really was that good cryptic thought they could make some real good money with it by putting it into some promo packs with ridiculous low chances of getting one. Which they also did.
So now that we're getting a T6 version which will probably set a new record of powercreep like the original did back then, history will repeat itself.
But now it's probably less because some dev likes the ship itself but for the incoming ****load of $ they expect and probably will get.
I've read this thread and seen what I've seen, and I have to say - I smiled.
The era of the super-bug is upon us!!! As it should be. After all, what is STO without it's uber bug ship? Once again, all is good in the universe.
Ofcourse, just like the old one, it will be waaay out of my price range, but whatever. I'll take a super-bug on steroids in game any day over that Voth TRIBBLE in space.
Indeed, just a shame they had to TRIBBLE over the owners of the old Bug ship, like me....
Indeed, just a shame they had to TRIBBLE over the owners of the old Bug ship, like me....
Hey, look at it this way - at least you have one of those.
I always wanted one for my Ferasan, but for the prices it goes for.....let's just say I get to 100-150 mil. and then I usually splash them on sth. else more "urgent" or needed. And I don't play the lottery, so..... However, since 'Delta Rising' significantly reduced the number of fully fledged active alts I use, I may be lucky enough to accumulate that much EC this time since I'm wasting less EC because the ammount of "necessary" stuff is reduced due to smaller number of active chars.
Indeed, just a shame they had to TRIBBLE over the owners of the old Bug ship, like me....
I can see where that feeling is coming from. It's like pathfinder issue all over again. First they told us no T6 retrofits and let us waste upgrades on T5s and then BAM! T6 retrofit for full price.
Though it's kinda worse since the original bug was already some hyper rare and very expensive acquisition to begin with that's only a character unlock.
Seeing an increasing trend here.
The next thing will probably be a full fledged T6 patrol escort with several hybrid seats....:rolleyes:
Yeah - but I have to say, I hate that line of reasoning. I mean, to use two ships that "the devs like" as examples:
....
Totally agree with you. It is a terrible excuse but that's how they roll.
The bug ship was nothing more than cannon fodder and had by no means any special role. And honestly the excelsior should fall in the same category as the conni but CBS approved and it's got fanboys among the devs so here we have the uber-bug (on steroids with the "T6 version") and one of the oldest fed designs in the game among the endgame ships from the 25th century.
Indeed, just a shame they had to TRIBBLE over the owners of the old Bug ship, like me....
I feel you! May we find comfort in the fact that the old one is still needed for the carrier pets.
Whatever! Its unfair, its not nice, its a money grab in a no canon style but then again its just cryptical so nothing new.
If its really an über-bug-tier6-beauty I can live with it or just as easily without it depending on how much it will cost me. Nevertheless I like the thought to have a something worth playing for again. Something more than just the next annoying upgradeable item or the next miserable spec point.
Basically everything released with DR and ever since failed to trigger that response in me but such a ship would. Reason is that the jhas I have flown the past 2 years is the most fun ship I ever had in this game and everything else would be a lie.
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I swear I will NEVER understand the obsession with this ship.
Why a ship that was so very, very medicore in the DS9 TV series has to be some OP uber-ship in STO is completely beyond me. They really were nothing special and their most powerful attack was 'ram ship into another ship'.
I just don't get it.
I'd like to think that, whether intentional or semi-intentional (look at Recluse for a prime case of "semi intentional OP-ness via application of then "using wrong charts" + AP-B spamming pets", the JHAS's status as "first ever lockbox ship", combined with the intent to make it hyper-desirable (therefore "proving" that the lockbox system would be a moneymaker) in the age of "escorts onine" is what made the JHAS the uber-escort it was - at least till the Recluse and Temporal Sci began to rival it in DPS and the Scimmy (again, let's contemplate an "accidental" combination of forward weapons + console slots + Superior Rom BOff traits + Cloak = OPness) caused the JHAS to "fall out of favor some"...
There's a simple motive behind it. One of the devs liked the ship.
That's the reason why it was the best escort back then when it was introduced. And since it really was that good cryptic thought they could make some real good money with it by putting it into some promo packs with ridiculous low chances of getting one. Which they also did.
So now that we're getting a T6 version which will probably set a new record of powercreep like the original did back then, history will repeat itself.
But now it's probably less because some dev likes the ship itself but for the incoming ****load of $ they expect and probably will get.
And perhaps I'm being really really naive about this, but I'd like to think that the revolving door of EPs wouldn't all be fans of the exact same ship(s) as the Dev I believe is referenced in said post, and that the EPs, as the boss of said Dev, would be thinking "long term for the good of all fans, irregardless of era favored", and would be doing all in their power to balance all the iconic hero ships of the 6 eras at every given endgame tier - whether said balance is intentionally gimped (see Galaxy class being UP so that the Regent / Oddessy are more desirable from a gameplay stance) or "accidentally OP" (Excelsior being a top 5 cruiser)...
I understand that CBS may be a big factor in certain ships (see sig) possibly not being given "endgame status" in the class most people expect said ship(s) to be in, for logical reasons. I also have yet to see a post from an actual CBS representative stating this to be an irrevocable fact. Perhaps I am spoiled from the interactions we had with then Paramount representative Mr. Lang, who would pop into the old Starfleet Command forums from time to time and actually give us Paramount's stance on certain things - like why a game strongly influenced from ToS was "stuck" using Movie Era designs, and at least one race was 100% "so removed from the ToS source materials" because at the time they wanted "easy race recognition" - so if the Gorn in game X flew "flying staplers", the Gorn in all Star Trek games from said company/release time flew "flying staplers"...
Trust me, with that post lurking on the forum of the time, there was no constant spamming of said issue - when the noob inevitably brought it up, post referenced, discussion closed. I just wish for the same level of engagement here...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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The JHAS was not "the first lockbox" ship, that title goes to the Galor which was several months earlier, tt premiered during the second box era which was the ferengi box with the D'kora.
Also the JHAS was only available during special promotion events which featured duty officer boxes from the store, similar to the elachi dread during the last event not too long ago.
As for it's OPness back then, pretty sure it was intentional. If it wouldn't have been "the best thing evar" people would't have bothered to actually get that thing even though the chances were even worse than the lockbox lottery. So no doubt those op stats were fully planned.
As for the CBS statement, while not made by CBS directly the F.C.T. clearly states that they forbid cryptic from putting the constitution up to the endgame ships. It may not be from some CBS guy personaly but that's as much as we get.
And yes.... you're probably spoiled from other games where devs actually use the forum as a way to cummunicate with their community. For STO you've got better chances on twitter, facebook, etc.
I feel you! May we find comfort in the fact that the old one is still needed for the carrier pets.
I'm personally hoping the theoretical new one unlocks those JHAS Frigate Carrier pets; or offers up access to newer theoretical JHSS Frigate Pets with SS1 at Advanced and Elite, with Elite also getting Ionic Turbulence or Concentrate Firepower.
The JHAS was not "the first lockbox" ship, that title goes to the Galor which was several months earlier, tt premiered during the second box era which was the ferengi box with the D'kora.
Also the JHAS was only available during special promotion events which featured duty officer boxes from the store, similar to the elachi dread during the last event not too long ago.
As for it's OPness back then, pretty sure it was intentional. If it wouldn't have been "the best thing evar" people would't have bothered to actually get that thing even though the chances were even worse than the lockbox lottery. So no doubt those op stats were fully planned.
As for the CBS statement, while not made by CBS directly the F.C.T. clearly states that they forbid cryptic from putting the constitution up to the endgame ships. It may not be from some CBS guy personaly but that's as much as we get.
And yes.... you're probably spoiled from other games where devs actually use the forum as a way to cummunicate with their community. For STO you've got better chances on twitter, facebook, etc.
The first lockbox was the Holiday Gifts and the JHAS was the grand prize for that lockbox. The only difference between the Holiday Gifts and regular lockboxes is that you need to purchase a key for the lockboxes while you purchased the Holiday Gift or won it through the Winter Race.
The JHAS was not "the first lockbox" ship, that title goes to the Galor which was several months earlier, tt premiered during the second box era which was the ferengi box with the D'kora.
Also the JHAS was only available during special promotion events which featured duty officer boxes from the store, similar to the elachi dread during the last event not too long ago.
As for it's OPness back then, pretty sure it was intentional. If it wouldn't have been "the best thing evar" people would't have bothered to actually get that thing even though the chances were even worse than the lockbox lottery. So no doubt those op stats were fully planned.
As for the CBS statement, while not made by CBS directly the F.C.T. clearly states that they forbid cryptic from putting the constitution up to the endgame ships. It may not be from some CBS guy personaly but that's as much as we get.
And yes.... you're probably spoiled from other games where devs actually use the forum as a way to cummunicate with their community. For STO you've got better chances on twitter, facebook, etc.
Point one I was so eloquently ninjaed on.
Point two - what I see in that F.C.T. is a Dev saying "not now but there's always hope", and a Community Representative hedging his bets initially before saying - as a way to keep the spam of that particular ship/topic down - that he doesn't see it happening.
Personally, I'd rather believe the then-EP saying "there's hope" rather than a CM (head or not) saying "no dice".
Chasing that with Point three - Perhaps I was "spoiled" back in the Starfleet Command days, but the Paramount "game licensing vice president" or something to that extent (he was a Paramount VP in charge of the game licenses and what could/couldn't be done with them) had an actual "dev style" account on the game's forum that he would use once in a blue moon to address Paramount's stance on certain topics - such as TMP in a ToS sourced game, or the looks of certain race's ships... (Basically, why the Excelsior had to be the F-BCH, Miranda F-CL, Gorn Flying staplers, KDF and by extension Romulan Kestrel FFs / DDs / CLs / etc. etc. Lyrans keeping their catamaran hulls but done up with TMP-esque looks, etc.)
Heck, I even posted on CBS's official forums on the matter, and last I knew there was no response from them, there.
The reason I want a "clear" answer is that, from here, it's impossible to tell whether the "CBS No" is actually from CBS, or an excuse used by a (couple of?) Dev(s) that have exhibited clear favoritism and is not above "ignoring" the pleas of a fanbase that he is not a particular fan of.
Two things leads me to this belief:
1. The "favored" Excelsior is the "oldest, per lore" Fed ship available at T5. The Excelsior should have never made the game if the licensing prevented it, so it seems that the licensing allows TMP era ships at T5 - most likely all four of the TMP ships. Yet we only have one. You don't need a tinfoil hat to see that perhaps the exclusion of three TMP ships from endgame is to steer fans of TMP into the "one available ship" - a Dev favorite, btw...
2. Look at the Romulans. Take their T'Varo, "they" refit it to the T'Liss (as per the "usual" later production ENT to fit the old 60's TOS) and then "retrofit" the original T'Varo to T5 instead of retrofitting the refit T'Liss. If this isn't a clear demonstration of anti-TOS bias, I don't know what is. How the TOS D7 skin made it onto the T5 K'Tinga is beyond me, unless that's a case of a Klingon-favoring Dev squeaking something through (perhaps the same one that wrote the Devidian chain mission that forces everyone into said D7 holo-skin?) behind the back of the TOS hating Dev...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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1. The "favored" Excelsior is the "oldest, per lore" Fed ship available at T5. The Excelsior should have never made the game if the licensing prevented it, so it seems that the licensing allows TMP era ships at T5 - most likely all four of the TMP ships. Yet we only have one. You don't need a tinfoil hat to see that perhaps the exclusion of three TMP ships from endgame is to steer fans of TMP into the "one available ship" - a Dev favorite, btw...
Be it cryptic or CBS, I think the final reason is the same. If they put in a T5 connie (TOS or TMP), that's the last ship lots of people would buy.
Well, they're going to make an absolute fortune in R&D pack sales from this.
Metrics will show that R&D packs are the best..... Ah you know the rest.
Yeah probably one of the reasons they rehashed the bug instead of going for the Battlecruiser...I bet they will also unlock the DNC pet so people who still want that will go for this pack as well.
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The JHAS was not "the first lockbox" ship, that title goes to the Galor which was several months earlier, tt premiered during the second box era which was the ferengi box with the D'kora.
Also the JHAS was only available during special promotion events which featured duty officer boxes from the store, similar to the elachi dread during the last event not too long ago.
Actually it was the first.
When it was first released it was in a christmas present style box. You get a box and open it, and if your very VERY lucky, You got the ship. It was the ancestor to the current lockbox style that required a key as the presents didn't.
Cryptic/PWE would make money hand over fist selling an endgame Connie and then some.
What is more plausible? CBS has and still says no to it or Cryptic/PWE just enjoys pissing you off and gets a rise out of watching all the threads about an endgame Connie get locked?
Let it go already.
Honestly? According to CBS, the "no endgame Connie" theoretically revolves around the desire to not have the NCC-1701 (blank) be "equivalent to" the NCC-1701-E/F "at it's own game".
Basically, no T5/6 Connie Cruiser. Back when the topic was broachable, I'd go into detail, at length, as to how a T5/6 Connie Science ship would allow the Connie to be "endgame worthy" while adhering to the it's not a cruiser on a par with the Oddessy argument that "sources" (aka rumors, lack of clarity thing again) advised me was the "entire purpose" behind CBS's "no".
Therefore, either CBS is trolling TOS fans (and their wallet) with their dogged insistence to separate Star Trek from TOS (to let JJ mangle it professionally) or the Devs are trolling TOS fans by not releasing the ship.
Further impressions of the Dev team - take the Tau Dewa "fiasco" and/or some of the "epic commentary" that's been attributed to Geko (aka the Dev who loves ships introduced with an NX but a few more digits than 1), especially considering his "outlook on forum relations" - helps reinforce the idea/concept that option #2 is much more plausible than you would expect from a standard dev house...
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Well, they're going to make an absolute fortune in R&D pack sales from this.
Metrics will show that R&D packs are the best..... Ah you know the rest.
Yeah, I am thinking about buying some packs myself.
I don't really care about the ship itself though. I am more interested in selling the promo packs on the Exchange to raise some EC which I need... and this should be more efficient than selling Master Keys.
Honestly? According to CBS, the "no endgame Connie" theoretically revolves around the desire to not have the NCC-1701 (blank) be "equivalent to" the NCC-1701-E/F "at it's own game".
-Snip for space-
Further impressions of the Dev team - take the Tau Dewa "fiasco" and/or some of the "epic commentary" that's been attributed to Geko (aka the Dev who loves ships introduced with an NX but a few more digits than 1), especially considering his "outlook on forum relations" - helps reinforce the idea/concept that option #2 is much more plausible than you would expect from a standard dev house...
Or it could really be as simple as CBS not wanting the iconic original to be used or abused for any reason past the first tier, which just exists as a simple homage, much like the NX.
Same reason why we're still not given even a stupid-silly Miranda or NX variant at Tier 2 or Tier 3, much less T5 as a gag Fleet ship (which the Aquarius was until it got the BoP treatment).
Even though Cryptic could make easy money off them either from Fleet Modules or from high-level C-Store versions, which I'm sure their PWE overlords also know, they have to play by CBS' rules (and they have been).
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The Strike Cruiser (as linked) is from an old DS9: Dominion Wars PC game; the same game that brought us the Federation Achilles Class (in addition to the Norin and Tonga for the Cardassians). It's unlikely Cryptic do, or will ever posses the rights to those models. The Achilles was asked for back around the time I started playing (some three years ago), and if they had acquired the rights then the Achilles would have likely taken place of the Avenger.
*Cough*Sounds familiar*Cough*
Haha saying it like that reminds me of starship troopers lol
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The era of the super-bug is upon us!!!
Ofcourse, just like the old one, it will be waaay out of my price range, but whatever. I'll take a super-bug on steroids in game any day over that Voth TRIBBLE in space.
There's a simple motive behind it. One of the devs liked the ship.
That's the reason why it was the best escort back then when it was introduced. And since it really was that good cryptic thought they could make some real good money with it by putting it into some promo packs with ridiculous low chances of getting one. Which they also did.
So now that we're getting a T6 version which will probably set a new record of powercreep like the original did back then, history will repeat itself.
But now it's probably less because some dev likes the ship itself but for the incoming ****load of $ they expect and probably will get.
Indeed, just a shame they had to TRIBBLE over the owners of the old Bug ship, like me....
Hey, look at it this way - at least you have one of those.
I always wanted one for my Ferasan, but for the prices it goes for.....let's just say I get to 100-150 mil. and then I usually splash them on sth. else more "urgent" or needed.
I can see where that feeling is coming from. It's like pathfinder issue all over again. First they told us no T6 retrofits and let us waste upgrades on T5s and then BAM! T6 retrofit for full price.
Though it's kinda worse since the original bug was already some hyper rare and very expensive acquisition to begin with that's only a character unlock.
Seeing an increasing trend here.
The next thing will probably be a full fledged T6 patrol escort with several hybrid seats....:rolleyes:
Totally agree with you. It is a terrible excuse but that's how they roll.
The bug ship was nothing more than cannon fodder and had by no means any special role. And honestly the excelsior should fall in the same category as the conni but CBS approved and it's got fanboys among the devs so here we have the uber-bug (on steroids with the "T6 version") and one of the oldest fed designs in the game among the endgame ships from the 25th century.
I feel you! May we find comfort in the fact that the old one is still needed for the carrier pets.
Whatever! Its unfair, its not nice, its a money grab in a no canon style but then again its just cryptical so nothing new.
If its really an über-bug-tier6-beauty I can live with it or just as easily without it depending on how much it will cost me. Nevertheless I like the thought to have a something worth playing for again. Something more than just the next annoying upgradeable item or the next miserable spec point.
Basically everything released with DR and ever since failed to trigger that response in me but such a ship would. Reason is that the jhas I have flown the past 2 years is the most fun ship I ever had in this game and everything else would be a lie.
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I'd like to think that, whether intentional or semi-intentional (look at Recluse for a prime case of "semi intentional OP-ness via application of then "using wrong charts" + AP-B spamming pets", the JHAS's status as "first ever lockbox ship", combined with the intent to make it hyper-desirable (therefore "proving" that the lockbox system would be a moneymaker) in the age of "escorts onine" is what made the JHAS the uber-escort it was - at least till the Recluse and Temporal Sci began to rival it in DPS and the Scimmy (again, let's contemplate an "accidental" combination of forward weapons + console slots + Superior Rom BOff traits + Cloak = OPness) caused the JHAS to "fall out of favor some"...
And perhaps I'm being really really naive about this, but I'd like to think that the revolving door of EPs wouldn't all be fans of the exact same ship(s) as the Dev I believe is referenced in said post, and that the EPs, as the boss of said Dev, would be thinking "long term for the good of all fans, irregardless of era favored", and would be doing all in their power to balance all the iconic hero ships of the 6 eras at every given endgame tier - whether said balance is intentionally gimped (see Galaxy class being UP so that the Regent / Oddessy are more desirable from a gameplay stance) or "accidentally OP" (Excelsior being a top 5 cruiser)...
I understand that CBS may be a big factor in certain ships (see sig) possibly not being given "endgame status" in the class most people expect said ship(s) to be in, for logical reasons. I also have yet to see a post from an actual CBS representative stating this to be an irrevocable fact. Perhaps I am spoiled from the interactions we had with then Paramount representative Mr. Lang, who would pop into the old Starfleet Command forums from time to time and actually give us Paramount's stance on certain things - like why a game strongly influenced from ToS was "stuck" using Movie Era designs, and at least one race was 100% "so removed from the ToS source materials" because at the time they wanted "easy race recognition" - so if the Gorn in game X flew "flying staplers", the Gorn in all Star Trek games from said company/release time flew "flying staplers"...
Trust me, with that post lurking on the forum of the time, there was no constant spamming of said issue - when the noob inevitably brought it up, post referenced, discussion closed. I just wish for the same level of engagement here...
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The JHAS was not "the first lockbox" ship, that title goes to the Galor which was several months earlier, tt premiered during the second box era which was the ferengi box with the D'kora.
Also the JHAS was only available during special promotion events which featured duty officer boxes from the store, similar to the elachi dread during the last event not too long ago.
As for it's OPness back then, pretty sure it was intentional. If it wouldn't have been "the best thing evar" people would't have bothered to actually get that thing even though the chances were even worse than the lockbox lottery. So no doubt those op stats were fully planned.
As for the CBS statement, while not made by CBS directly the F.C.T. clearly states that they forbid cryptic from putting the constitution up to the endgame ships. It may not be from some CBS guy personaly but that's as much as we get.
And yes.... you're probably spoiled from other games where devs actually use the forum as a way to cummunicate with their community. For STO you've got better chances on twitter, facebook, etc.
I'm personally hoping the theoretical new one unlocks those JHAS Frigate Carrier pets; or offers up access to newer theoretical JHSS Frigate Pets with SS1 at Advanced and Elite, with Elite also getting Ionic Turbulence or Concentrate Firepower.
Thus breathing new life into the JHDC.
The first lockbox was the Holiday Gifts and the JHAS was the grand prize for that lockbox. The only difference between the Holiday Gifts and regular lockboxes is that you need to purchase a key for the lockboxes while you purchased the Holiday Gift or won it through the Winter Race.
Laddie, you might want to take away that picture. As do many people in here would need to change their posts.
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Point one I was so eloquently ninjaed on.
Point two - what I see in that F.C.T. is a Dev saying "not now but there's always hope", and a Community Representative hedging his bets initially before saying - as a way to keep the spam of that particular ship/topic down - that he doesn't see it happening.
Personally, I'd rather believe the then-EP saying "there's hope" rather than a CM (head or not) saying "no dice".
Chasing that with Point three - Perhaps I was "spoiled" back in the Starfleet Command days, but the Paramount "game licensing vice president" or something to that extent (he was a Paramount VP in charge of the game licenses and what could/couldn't be done with them) had an actual "dev style" account on the game's forum that he would use once in a blue moon to address Paramount's stance on certain topics - such as TMP in a ToS sourced game, or the looks of certain race's ships... (Basically, why the Excelsior had to be the F-BCH, Miranda F-CL, Gorn Flying staplers, KDF and by extension Romulan Kestrel FFs / DDs / CLs / etc. etc. Lyrans keeping their catamaran hulls but done up with TMP-esque looks, etc.)
Heck, I even posted on CBS's official forums on the matter, and last I knew there was no response from them, there.
The reason I want a "clear" answer is that, from here, it's impossible to tell whether the "CBS No" is actually from CBS, or an excuse used by a (couple of?) Dev(s) that have exhibited clear favoritism and is not above "ignoring" the pleas of a fanbase that he is not a particular fan of.
Two things leads me to this belief:
1. The "favored" Excelsior is the "oldest, per lore" Fed ship available at T5. The Excelsior should have never made the game if the licensing prevented it, so it seems that the licensing allows TMP era ships at T5 - most likely all four of the TMP ships. Yet we only have one. You don't need a tinfoil hat to see that perhaps the exclusion of three TMP ships from endgame is to steer fans of TMP into the "one available ship" - a Dev favorite, btw...
2. Look at the Romulans. Take their T'Varo, "they" refit it to the T'Liss (as per the "usual" later production ENT to fit the old 60's TOS) and then "retrofit" the original T'Varo to T5 instead of retrofitting the refit T'Liss. If this isn't a clear demonstration of anti-TOS bias, I don't know what is. How the TOS D7 skin made it onto the T5 K'Tinga is beyond me, unless that's a case of a Klingon-favoring Dev squeaking something through (perhaps the same one that wrote the Devidian chain mission that forces everyone into said D7 holo-skin?) behind the back of the TOS hating Dev...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Wonder if it will unlock a new pet for my JHDNC?
Be it cryptic or CBS, I think the final reason is the same. If they put in a T5 connie (TOS or TMP), that's the last ship lots of people would buy.
Well except for a console or trait here or there.
Yeah probably one of the reasons they rehashed the bug instead of going for the Battlecruiser...I bet they will also unlock the DNC pet so people who still want that will go for this pack as well.
good luck
Actually it was the first.
When it was first released it was in a christmas present style box. You get a box and open it, and if your very VERY lucky, You got the ship. It was the ancestor to the current lockbox style that required a key as the presents didn't.
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Honestly? According to CBS, the "no endgame Connie" theoretically revolves around the desire to not have the NCC-1701 (blank) be "equivalent to" the NCC-1701-E/F "at it's own game".
Basically, no T5/6 Connie Cruiser. Back when the topic was broachable, I'd go into detail, at length, as to how a T5/6 Connie Science ship would allow the Connie to be "endgame worthy" while adhering to the it's not a cruiser on a par with the Oddessy argument that "sources" (aka rumors, lack of clarity thing again) advised me was the "entire purpose" behind CBS's "no".
Therefore, either CBS is trolling TOS fans (and their wallet) with their dogged insistence to separate Star Trek from TOS (to let JJ mangle it professionally) or the Devs are trolling TOS fans by not releasing the ship.
Further impressions of the Dev team - take the Tau Dewa "fiasco" and/or some of the "epic commentary" that's been attributed to Geko (aka the Dev who loves ships introduced with an NX but a few more digits than 1), especially considering his "outlook on forum relations" - helps reinforce the idea/concept that option #2 is much more plausible than you would expect from a standard dev house...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Yeah, I am thinking about buying some packs myself.
I don't really care about the ship itself though. I am more interested in selling the promo packs on the Exchange to raise some EC which I need... and this should be more efficient than selling Master Keys.
Or it could really be as simple as CBS not wanting the iconic original to be used or abused for any reason past the first tier, which just exists as a simple homage, much like the NX.
Same reason why we're still not given even a stupid-silly Miranda or NX variant at Tier 2 or Tier 3, much less T5 as a gag Fleet ship (which the Aquarius was until it got the BoP treatment).
Even though Cryptic could make easy money off them either from Fleet Modules or from high-level C-Store versions, which I'm sure their PWE overlords also know, they have to play by CBS' rules (and they have been).
Found this during the search. Wonder, if it's related. Probably Cryptic staff in disguise...:P