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disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
I think they would be an interesting race to explore with some story content. Maybe even as a playable race.

It's actually kind of strange that so little has been done with them given their connection with so many events.

They may have been the first race assimilated by the Borg.
They can probably perceive the space time continuum.
They live far longer than any other race possibly into millennia.
They seem to have some kind of empathic ability possibly a kind of telepathy.

Just saying so little has been done but they do have some possibility's.
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  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Good idea

    Theres plenty of development room considering what we have to go on should provide a good foundation for building up

    And its well established that members of the race were very well traveled and live for a very, very long time, they could turn up anywhere within reason
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    adverbero wrote: »
    Good idea

    Theres plenty of development room considering what we have to go on should provide a good foundation for building up

    And its well established that members of the race were very well traveled and live for a very, very long time, they could turn up anywhere within reason

    They are listed as being either a beta quadrant or delta quadrant species.
    westmetals wrote: »
    At least in terms of alternate universes/timelines, yes they can. Guinan did it in TNG: Yesterday's Enterprise, and in game, there's an el aurian NPC that you can talk to (though it is not required) in "Temporal Ambassador" who will give similar information.


    Guinan also knew about the Q and knew our Q specifically. She also seemed to be able to sense his presence.
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  • horridpersonhorridperson Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    The el aurians worked as they did because there was a distance between them and the regular cast of characters. It allowed them to play the sage and deliver an exposition on the thoughts of the captain or deliver a telling insight with impunity. The longevity of the species and their worldliness (galaxiness?) gave them plausible permission to deliver their opinions. I don't think introducing them to the game as a playable race would bring anything to positive to the game; maybe a, "been there done that" race trait that would shame the joined trill's lifetimes of experiences?
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    The el aurians worked as they did because there was a distance between them and the regular cast of characters. It allowed them to play the sage and deliver an exposition on the thoughts of the captain or deliver a telling insight with impunity. The longevity of the species and their worldliness (galaxiness?) gave them plausible permission to deliver their opinions. I don't think introducing them to the game as a playable race would bring anything to positive to the game; maybe a, "been there done that" race trait that would shame the joined trill's lifetimes of experiences?

    Nah el aurians have never been seen as that kind of adventurous. Most likely it would be some kind of XP boost or a team based thing. Their lifetimes spent mostly gathering stories and being all wise and ****.

    Also I'm sure there's at least 1 RP'er who pretends to be 1000 years old anyway.
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  • horridpersonhorridperson Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I've read far worse than people claiming to be 1000 years old :)
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I've read far worse than people claiming to be 1000 years old :)

    See and i deleted zone and local chat off my thing so i would never read anything worse than what ever is just the nop channel.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    (...)

    Also I'm sure there's at least 1 RP'er who pretends to be 1000 years old anyway.

    Of those people that actually write something substantial into their character bios and given it works and you can actually read it, omnipotent millenia old creatures that not seldomly look like tennage girls are ranked maybe second or third. Leading the board are probably relatives of Star Trek characters.
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  • horridpersonhorridperson Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Posted by disposeableh3r0
    See and i deleted zone and local chat off my thing so i would never read anything worse than what ever is just the nop channel.

    When I see a characterful avatar for good or ill I just have to right click on the info tab. Sometimes I read a cool story sometimes not so much.
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    Of those people that actually write something substantial into their character bios and given it works and you can actually read it, omnipotent millenia old creatures that not seldomly look like tennage girls are ranked maybe second or third. Leading the board are probably relatives of Star Trek characters.

    My top vote goes to creepy "love slaves". I thought Orion women controlled others with their pheromones. It's like Dicken's Little Nell with green skin and sodomy.
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  • nickcastletonnickcastleton Member Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Guinan also knew about the Q and knew our Q specifically. She also seemed to be able to sense his presence.

    Maybe there Jedi. :D
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    When I see a characterful avatar for good or ill I just have to right click on the info tab. Sometimes I read a cool story sometimes not so much.



    My top vote goes to creepy "love slaves". I thought Orion women controlled others with their pheromones. It's like Dicken's Little Nell with green skin and sodomy.

    Well obviously we cant have green skin without sodomy, what are we? Barbarians?
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  • alex284alex284 Member Posts: 366 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    A playable El-Aurian faction would make little sense unless the game for that faction was vastly different. They were almost entirely destroyed and scattered across the galaxy. They have no systems or ships.

    I also noticed that STO avoided races that look exactly like humans, which quite a few 1-and-done species in TOS did. So you can just pretend that your human character is El-Aurian if you want.
  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    alex284 wrote: »
    A playable El-Aurian faction would make little sense unless the game for that faction was vastly different. They were almost entirely destroyed and scattered across the galaxy. They have no systems or ships.

    I also noticed that STO avoided races that look exactly like humans, which quite a few 1-and-done species in TOS did. So you can just pretend that your human character is El-Aurian if you want.

    I think you misread this thread.
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Nothing in canon implies Guinans 'abilities' are inherent to El-Aurians and are most likely just a side-effect of her experience with the Nexus or unique to her, neither of the other two El-Aurians we've seen displayed any strange traits.

    I doubt there's much to explore, except maybe the fate of the other survivors of the Nexus incident. We've seen Guinan and Soran, but there was a whole ship of potential paradise-seeking supervillians we never saw again.
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    tyler002 wrote: »
    Nothing in canon implies Guinans 'abilities' are inherent to El-Aurians and are most likely just a side-effect of her experience with the Nexus or unique to her, neither of the other two El-Aurians we've seen displayed any strange traits.

    I doubt there's much to explore, except maybe the fate of the other survivors of the Nexus incident. We've seen Guinan and Soran, but there was a whole ship of potential paradise-seeking supervillians we never saw again.

    Ah but there's the rub, guinan was the only el aurian we saw more than once. And there are only 3 or 4 with names total in tv trek. One of whom was a con man.


    Which is a good reason to explore them.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Ah but there's the rub, guinan was the only el aurian we saw more than once. And there are only 3 or 4 with names total in tv trek. One of whom was a con man.


    Which is a good reason to explore them.
    Soran and that guy from DS9 seemed to have the ability to persuade others to do/believe things that they wouldn't otherwise.
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Ah but there's the rub, guinan was the only el aurian we saw more than once. And there are only 3 or 4 with names total in tv trek. One of whom was a con man.


    Which is a good reason to explore them.
    'Few appearances' is not much of a reason unless there's something noteworthy about them, and they have as much going for them as the tons of other rarely seen races in Star Trek that get as little or less screentime than the El-Aurians. Aside from Guinan, any El-Aurian with a main role was just a very charismatic human under a different name.

    I still feel all that could really be worth a featured episode or arc is the survivors of the SS Lakul. The ribbon already drove one of its passengers to insane villainy, there could be more.
    Soran and that guy from DS9 seemed to have the ability to persuade others to do/believe things that they wouldn't otherwise.
    Charisma really seems to be their thing, they did nothing a Vulcan or anyone charismatic couldn't.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    they seemed to do it far more easily. kind of like a psionic hypnotism ability. But not something where they could simply mind control people.
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  • bberge1701bberge1701 Member Posts: 726 Bug Hunter
    edited February 2015
    tyler002 wrote: »
    Nothing in canon implies Guinans 'abilities' are inherent to El-Aurians and are most likely just a side-effect of her experience with the Nexus or unique to her, neither of the other two El-Aurians we've seen displayed any strange traits.

    I doubt there's much to explore, except maybe the fate of the other survivors of the Nexus incident. We've seen Guinan and Soran, but there was a whole ship of potential paradise-seeking supervillians we never saw again.

    Nelan, the El-Aurian from "Temporal Ambassador", exhibits similar "abilities". Of course, it's possible he was also a survivor of the Nexus incident; I don't think we have any background on him.
  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    tyler002 wrote: »
    'Few appearances' is not much of a reason unless there's something noteworthy about them, and they have as much going for them as the tons of other rarely seen races in Star Trek that get as little or less screentime than the El-Aurians. Aside from Guinan, any El-Aurian with a main role was just a very charismatic human under a different name.

    I still feel all that could really be worth a featured episode or arc is the survivors of the SS Lakul. The ribbon already drove one of its passengers to insane villainy, there could be more.


    Charisma really seems to be their thing, they did nothing a Vulcan or anyone charismatic couldn't.

    While their abilities may or may not be cool, not what I would write a story about. I would go with their assimilation.

    It's hinted that their contact with the Borg happened a long time ago and a long time to an el aurian is probably multiple centuries.

    We know from dragons teeth that in the time of voyager the Borg were little more than a nuisance 900 years ago.

    So it is possible that el auria(?) and the el aurians were one of the first races assimilated. ( since by default el auria(?) would have to be in or near the delta quadrant.)

    The fun thing to explore would be if this happened while the Borg weren't much of a threat, and their assimilating the el aurians was a tipping point. Or if they were simply Poland to the borgs Hitler.
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  • prierinprierin Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Okay... as a playable race, what would their racial traits be? What would set them apart from the other existing playable races now?
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    prierin wrote: »
    Okay... as a playable race, what would their racial traits be? What would set them apart from the other existing playable races now?

    As I said probably some kind of team buff maybe a super nerfed but team wide version of the trill trait.

    Really tho, it being a playable race is just a secondary thing for me. Neat if it happened but then even if it did I don't think I would level one up.

    Might make for interesting boffs tho.
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  • prierinprierin Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    As I said probably some kind of team buff maybe a super nerfed but team wide version of the trill trait.

    Really tho, it being a playable race is just a secondary thing for me. Neat if it happened but then even if it did I don't think I would level one up.

    Might make for interesting boffs tho.

    Hmmm... could be interesting
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  • zedbrightlander1zedbrightlander1 Member Posts: 14,782 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/El-Aurian
    The USS Enterprise-B was able to rescue 47 of the refugees, including Guinan and Dr. Tolian Soran.

    47 (45?) seems to small a number to make a race of. Unless they have procreated like crazy since their rescue.

    I do like the idea of possible encountering them in in the past. I doubt that Guinan was the only El-Aurian to leave her home world and come to the Alpha Quadrant.

    You know, at one point, in an age before FB/Twitter there was an extented discussion on the net/Newsgroups/EBBs of Boothby's origin. It was widely believed he was an El-Aurian. Turns out, he was born on Mars. You know, the colony Mars in the Sol system.

    But I digress...

    El-Aurian would make an interesting contribution to the stories told in the Adventure of our Officers, but I'd avoid adding the as a character choice. Unless, the Devs edit history by saying an entirely different group of them were discovered and brought to the Federation at a Stardate sometime after ST-TNG series ended.
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/El-Aurian



    47 (45?) seems to small a number to make a race of. Unless they have procreated like crazy since their rescue.

    I do like the idea of possible encountering them in in the past. I doubt that Guinan was the only El-Aurian to leave her home world and come to the Alpha Quadrant.

    You know, at one point, in an age before FB/Twitter there was an extented discussion on the net/Newsgroups/EBBs of Boothby's origin. It was widely believed he was an El-Aurian. Turns out, he was born on Mars. You know, the colony Mars in the Sol system.

    But I digress...

    El-Aurian would make an interesting contribution to the stories told in the Adventure of our Officers, but I'd avoid adding the as a character choice. Unless, the Devs edit history by saying an entirely different group of them were discovered and brought to the Federation at a Stardate sometime after ST-TNG series ended.

    I don't think it was ever stated that those were the only refugees.
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    And in " Q Who " she showed a possible way to counter act a Q's powers, the way she held up her hands in that clawing like pose. Q backed down, clearly he knew this. Even thou he said she was a distraction, he didn't shift her away. But I keep the feeling he knew more.


    In " Deathwish " Quinn Q told Tuvok about how he is always looking for the tactical advantage. Stating there is a way to deal with the Q from how he acted. Guinan may know of this weakness that a non-Q can use.

    I forgot about that.

    I wonder f the el aurians were a race nearing the tipping point of becoming more, like the Q.

    Maybe that's why they were assimilated.
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    We know from dragons teeth that in the time of voyager the Borg were little more than a nuisance 900 years ago.

    We also know from Guinan that the Borg are at least 200,000 years old, so those Vaadwaur idiots probably severly underestimated the Borgs size.
    bberge1701 wrote: »
    Nelan, the El-Aurian from "Temporal Ambassador", exhibits similar "abilities". Of course, it's possible he was also a survivor of the Nexus incident; I don't think we have any background on him.

    I was talking about canon, where he never shows up.
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    tyler002 wrote: »
    We also know from Guinan that the Borg are at least 200,000 years old, so those Vaadwaur idiots probably severly underestimated the Borgs size.



    I was talking about canon, where he never shows up.

    That's the total age of the Borg, I was referring to them being the Borg we have now.

    They obviously started some where and evolved into what they are now, we were never shown what they were before we first meet them.

    Omg, what of the el aurians created the Borg.........

    On a side note guinan seems to have first hand knowledge of her homeworlds fall so it still couldn't have happened more than 1000 years ago
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  • theredcomettheredcomet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    They should be renamed Whoopigoldbergians.
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