El whoopies are reknowned for their similiarities to 20th century earth talentless hacks being promoted to omnipotency because someone thought it was a good idea?
That's the total age of the Borg, I was referring to them being the Borg we have now.
They obviously started some where and evolved into what they are now, we were never shown what they were before we first meet them.
It was never established if she meant the Borg or the Collective, nor has it ever been established when they became the collective.
I still don't trust the Vaadwaur claim that their empire is so young and believe they only knew about the part that had crept into space they knew about. It's hard to imagine the Borg Collective as one of the youngest galactic powers in Star Trek.
It was never established if she meant the Borg or the Collective, nor has it ever been established when they became the collective.
I still don't trust the Vaadwaur claim that their empire is so young and believe they only knew about the part that had crept into space they knew about. It's hard to imagine the Borg Collective as one of the youngest galactic powers in Star Trek.
1000 years isn't young, there are few current powers that old.
1000 years from sto time it would have been 1410. I dont remember there being space travel in 1410.
The romulans and klingons are on a similar time table at least technologically, the vulcan exodus took place afew thousand years ago but even then no warp drive.
The borg however advance through assimilation, any individual they take instantly adds to their knowlage, and culture more so. Any advancement they need can be tasked to a nearly limitless number of minds which will work on a solution for the rest of its existance if necessary, they can cross refrence the knowlage of countless societies to find solutions more quickly. They even seem capable of imagination. So its not hard to see them rising quickly once the collective mind took over.
They have no other drive as a species than perfection, no culture to distract them, they can advance single mindedly since they function with a single mind.
I think only the dominion is older than they are as far as current powers.
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1000 years isn't young, there are few current powers that old.
1000 years from sto time it would have been 1410. I dont remember there being space travel in 1410.
The romulans and klingons are on a similar time table at least technologically, the vulcan exodus took place afew thousand years ago but even then no warp drive.
The borg however advance through assimilation, any individual they take instantly adds to their knowlage, and culture more so. Any advancement they need can be tasked to a nearly limitless number of minds which will work on a solution for the rest of its existance if necessary, they can cross refrence the knowlage of countless societies to find solutions more quickly. They even seem capable of imagination. So its not hard to see them rising quickly once the collective mind took over.
They have no other drive as a species than perfection, no culture to distract them, they can advance single mindedly since they function with a single mind.
I think only the dominion is older than they are as far as current powers.
Considering the other empires range between 1,100 (Klingon Empire) to 10,000 (Ferengi Alliance), 900-1000 would make them younger than any major power except the Federation.
Not sure what that bit about Borg mentality has to do with their age, it's just reiterating how they function. It also doesn't change the fact that we know nothing about the Borg history other than they are 'thousands of centuries' old and the Vaadwaur believed they had only a few systems (that they knew of, it's a big galaxy after all).
EDIT: I've been looking for the transcript to "Q Who?" and the Guinan quote about them was: They're made up of organic and artificial life which has been developing for thousands of centuries.
Which would mean 200,000 years ago was when they started becoming the Collective.
Guinan also knew about the Q and knew our Q specifically. She also seemed to be able to sense his presence.
Q also seemed to consider her a threat though not one he couldn't handle and Guinan seemed to take up a defensive posture against him, which would be utterly futile for anyone else. (Probably for her as well, but she seemed to have some idea of how to take action against him.) That moment implied that Guinan was considerably more powerful than we'd realized, and made me quite curious...sadly, they never went anywhere with it.
Q also seemed to consider her a threat though not one he couldn't handle and Guinan seemed to take up a defensive posture against him, which would be utterly futile for anyone else. (Probably for her as well, but she seemed to have some idea of how to take action against him.) That moment implied that Guinan was considerably more powerful than we'd realized, and made me quite curious...sadly, they never went anywhere with it.
My guess is that El-Aurians have some sort of psionic powers that they usually don't use.
My guess is that El-Aurians have some sort of psionic powers that they usually don't use.
My guess is that The Q were at the time envisaged to be less powerful than was otherwise made out - That or El'Aurians were going to be more powerful. Then plans changed...
Considering the other empires range between 1,100 (Klingon Empire) to 10,000 (Ferengi Alliance), 900-1000 would make them younger than any major power except the Federation.
Not sure what that bit about Borg mentality has to do with their age, it's just reiterating how they function. It also doesn't change the fact that we know nothing about the Borg history other than they are 'thousands of centuries' old and the Vaadwaur believed they had only a few systems (that they knew of, it's a big galaxy after all).
EDIT: I've been looking for the transcript to "Q Who?" and the Guinan quote about them was: They're made up of organic and artificial life which has been developing for thousands of centuries.
Which would mean 200,000 years ago was when they started becoming the Collective.
the point was that progress canbe made rapidly and the borg are expecially good at that. to sum total time a civilization exists, and its technological prowess are 2 different things.
The age of the other civilizations are meaningless since we know they arent more advanced than any of the other civilizations, only the borg have a distinct technological advantage, and that gap has been closing since they were first introduced.
And the whole origional point is that theres a good chance given what has been said that the collective didnt become a real threat untill they assimilated a race or even became a hive mind. and that was probably a more recent devolopment which is why I can accept a 1000 year timeline for the borg.
My theory was that the el aurians may have been that race or very near it.
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Too long, how bout whoopians? Or goldbergians? Whoopions, el whoopies......
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El whoopies are reknowned for their similiarities to 20th century earth talentless hacks being promoted to omnipotency because someone thought it was a good idea?
It was never established if she meant the Borg or the Collective, nor has it ever been established when they became the collective.
I still don't trust the Vaadwaur claim that their empire is so young and believe they only knew about the part that had crept into space they knew about. It's hard to imagine the Borg Collective as one of the youngest galactic powers in Star Trek.
1000 years isn't young, there are few current powers that old.
1000 years from sto time it would have been 1410. I dont remember there being space travel in 1410.
The romulans and klingons are on a similar time table at least technologically, the vulcan exodus took place afew thousand years ago but even then no warp drive.
The borg however advance through assimilation, any individual they take instantly adds to their knowlage, and culture more so. Any advancement they need can be tasked to a nearly limitless number of minds which will work on a solution for the rest of its existance if necessary, they can cross refrence the knowlage of countless societies to find solutions more quickly. They even seem capable of imagination. So its not hard to see them rising quickly once the collective mind took over.
They have no other drive as a species than perfection, no culture to distract them, they can advance single mindedly since they function with a single mind.
I think only the dominion is older than they are as far as current powers.
Not everything you see on the internet is true - Abraham Lincoln
Occidere populo et effercio confractus
Not sure what that bit about Borg mentality has to do with their age, it's just reiterating how they function. It also doesn't change the fact that we know nothing about the Borg history other than they are 'thousands of centuries' old and the Vaadwaur believed they had only a few systems (that they knew of, it's a big galaxy after all).
EDIT: I've been looking for the transcript to "Q Who?" and the Guinan quote about them was: They're made up of organic and artificial life which has been developing for thousands of centuries.
Which would mean 200,000 years ago was when they started becoming the Collective.
Q also seemed to consider her a threat though not one he couldn't handle and Guinan seemed to take up a defensive posture against him, which would be utterly futile for anyone else. (Probably for her as well, but she seemed to have some idea of how to take action against him.) That moment implied that Guinan was considerably more powerful than we'd realized, and made me quite curious...sadly, they never went anywhere with it.
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My guess is that The Q were at the time envisaged to be less powerful than was otherwise made out - That or El'Aurians were going to be more powerful. Then plans changed...
the point was that progress canbe made rapidly and the borg are expecially good at that. to sum total time a civilization exists, and its technological prowess are 2 different things.
The age of the other civilizations are meaningless since we know they arent more advanced than any of the other civilizations, only the borg have a distinct technological advantage, and that gap has been closing since they were first introduced.
And the whole origional point is that theres a good chance given what has been said that the collective didnt become a real threat untill they assimilated a race or even became a hive mind. and that was probably a more recent devolopment which is why I can accept a 1000 year timeline for the borg.
My theory was that the el aurians may have been that race or very near it.
Not everything you see on the internet is true - Abraham Lincoln
Occidere populo et effercio confractus