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section31agent#8506 section31agent Member Posts: 665 Arc User
Okay guys here it is in a nut shell. Apparently someone wants to kill the game. I have been here for 5 years and am a lifer. I used to enjoy spending countless hours playing this game and spending my money to enhance my experience. Then something happened.....

Some Pakled decided to take away the +5 power boosts that each of my Efficient Saurians had. That was the first straw, I had saved up hundreds of millions of Ec to buy those boffs. Then comes the nerfing of science abilities, this really TRIBBLE me off because until this happened I could hold my own in Kerrat. Then I started noticing that the powers trays had lag, it was really noticeable on ground when you tried to fire your weapon. In the time it takes for my toon to fire one exploit shot I can fire my real world pistol 6 times. Come on the rate of fire should be faster for a tac officer who is trained to handle guns.

But here is my BEEF... After this Anniversary debacle LAG is so prevelant I am stuck doing the Texas 2 Step rubberband dance in every phase of the game. The lag is so bad in the "Dust to Dust" that I have to depend on my away team to get me through the first part because I can only get a shot off once every six to eight seconds. So now the lag is so bad that my ship freezes in PvE and I keep getting blown up by opponents who should never hit me at all.

Nothing is more frustrating than playing WITHOUT macros and waiting half a second or more to see a power you clicked on to activate. This has caused me to seriously reconsider how much time I spend playing this game. see what you DEVS at Cryptic fail to understand is you have to reinvest the tons of cash you get into more servers. You guys do not seem interested in anything other than popping out some new power you have to spend a ton of money on to get. Or there is the alternative...HACKING yes, I said it... I have seen way too many people running around with the pimped out latest ships with everything maxed out epic with all the powers that could even be possibly earned in the game. I do not see any effort at all on the part of Cryptic to put to an end the illegal activity. There are videos on youtube that show people clearly in violation of the TOS. Then there are sites like tautunleashed that go into detail about these bots,hacks, and the like...

So when the lag makes it to where I cannot compete even with NPC's much less the Min/Maxers and PvP Hackers I must reconsider why I am playing this game.
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  • rsoblivionrsoblivion Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I fail to see how it's deliberate lag by dev's throughout your entire post.

    A lot of anger and frustration yes, but no deliberate lag evidence...
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  • reynoldsxdreynoldsxd Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    he is confusing the horrible UI with its tendency to eat up button presses with no reaction with latency issues, which is what lag is.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,451 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Read up on Cogent. It's the alleged ISP that "serves" the area the Cryptic server farm is in.

    Thanks to the wonders of Congressionally-protected monopolies, Cogent can get away with all manner of misbehavior, because absent fiberoptic lines (which aren't everywhere, despite what the Frontier and Verizon FIOS commercials try to tell you) the folks in their "service" area have no options. Hopefully, the new regulations the FCC is proposing, to redefine broadband service as a utility, protect net neutrality, and force it to hold to the same standards as for instance electricity or water supply, will rein in such abuses.

    In the meantime, devs can't cause lag; were the rubberbanding being caused by STO software, we'd all experience it constantly, rather than it happening to some on an irregular basis (ask a CO player about the coyotes in the Desert sometime); and overall, I do believe your ire, while justifiable, is badly mis-aimed.
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  • reynoldsxdreynoldsxd Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    jonsills wrote: »
    Read up on Cogent. It's the alleged ISP that "serves" the area the Cryptic server farm is in.

    Thanks to the wonders of Congressionally-protected monopolies, Cogent can get away with all manner of misbehavior, because absent fiberoptic lines (which aren't everywhere, despite what the Frontier and Verizon FIOS commercials try to tell you) the folks in their "service" area have no options. Hopefully, the new regulations the FCC is proposing, to redefine broadband service as a utility, protect net neutrality, and force it to hold to the same standards as for instance electricity or water supply, will rein in such abuses.

    In the meantime, devs can't cause lag; were the rubberbanding being caused by STO software, we'd all experience it constantly, rather than it happening to some on an irregular basis (ask a CO player about the coyotes in the Desert sometime); and overall, I do believe your ire, while justifiable, is badly mis-aimed.


    "Hopefully, the new regulations the FCC is proposing, to redefine broadband service as a utility, protect net neutrality, and force it to hold to the same standards as for instance electricity or water supply, will rein in such abuses."



    What quality standards.....
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  • suzy32suzy32 Member Posts: 383 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Sorry to say the rubber banding is cryptic fault. Especially now that same server will be hosting xbox one.


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  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    arnthebard wrote: »
    Some Pakled decided to take away the +5 power boosts that each of my Efficient Saurians had.

    Are you saying that it used to give a flat +5 Power boost as opposed to +5 Warp Core Efficiency?
  • esquire1980esquire1980 Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Think what the OP is referring to it the inherent engine lag that has been a problem since launch. The 2nd producer tried to make changes to the engine which didn't amount to much. Then, we were promised that some of the engine upgrades that were included in Cryptic's new game would be ported to STO which never happened. Meanwhile, Cryptic developers keep adding more instances, animations, etc which further overloads a struggling MMO engine which increases lag/delay/ or the engine just un-q's the key stroke you just made resulting in spamming a key trying to get the engine to register what you tried 4 key-strokes ago.

    I've got an Alienware dual quad on a dedicated 10 meg/10 meg connection. They don't come much better than that and I get the engine problems, myself. TOR has the same problems, poor engine/poorer performance.
  • nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,564 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    There is no way the lag is intentional. Poor planning, implementing, and testing? Very possible but no way was it intentional.
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  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    suzy32 wrote: »
    Sorry to say the rubber banding is cryptic fault. Especially now that same server will be hosting xbox one.


    http://youtu.be/TWZBeYvMQbA
    You do know that it's not run on one server but numerous game servers per game right?

    So no, the "same server" will not be hosting xbox one versions of any Cryptic/PWE games.
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  • centaurianalphacentaurianalpha Member Posts: 1,150 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Cryptic should seriously be looking into an upgrade to their server farm, especially if that has not already occurred more than once since launch. By their own statistics, there are now millions of captains & ships, with a global player base, and the data load will only increase, if the game goes on for more years, as they have said they are planning.

    Add to this the improvements available in hardware & OS's now, it appears from the user's perspective that the hardware just can't keep up anymore. I've seen other games with much smaller player numbers encounter the same issue; no reason that it doesn't apply here. :o
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  • rsoblivionrsoblivion Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Does anyone here actually comprehend how servers work these days??? They can dynamically spin up hardware to cope with the load if needed. What occurred at the beginning of the Anniversary event was a flood of the login server, combined with a script that was re-running on every account every time someone logged in causing massive server abuse (similar to a DDOS attack) just from people logging in to play normally.

    This was addressed in the recent patch but a lot of the hardware that used to be STO's has been spun up for Neverwinter instead, so we are lacking in physical hardware support. That maybe reversed a little seeing as the rubber banding is still causing issues for some.

    The UI lag is totally different and is due more to the refresh/polling rate of the UI. Currently it's set way too low and therefore refreshes too slowly, from what I gather.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited February 2015
    aside from certain areas atm which are bombarded by omega farmers and ESD, I dont really have rubber-banding or lag issues
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,647 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    So the developers are really ICONIANS!?

    :eek:
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    So the developers are really ICONIANS!?

    :eek:

    Yup. People are running out of reasons to be angry at Cryptic now so it's time for the crackpot conspiricy theories.

    The UI lag though...I've been thinking. What if that is intentional? Since you can still use abilities even though the timer sometimes says it's still on cooldown, it must be a method of testing the muscle memory of the playerbase.

    Don't you see what this means! They are training us subconsciously for corporate espionage and high profile assassinations!
  • helgmornhelgmorn Member Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Oh God

    Another one of these moaning I cant take it anymore posts.

    OP, just quit playing already, clearly this game makes you angry so just STOP playing!
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    whatever the reason may be...it is ****ing annoying.
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  • battykoda0battykoda0 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I dunno about the rest but I don't need to wear a tin hat to see my tray not responding. ;)
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  • spockout1spockout1 Member Posts: 314 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Lag in the UI, especially the tray, is terrible. Needs fixing ASAP.
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    So the rubber banding that everyone experienced during the anniversary event was the fault of Cogent?

    All of it? No but some or most yes... when i couldnt connect or was constantly dropping i did a number of tracerts each night...

    would time out or get really high numbers at Cogent.

    I'm sure it's not all their fault... server load or high volume of peeps coming back for events...

    pwe probably only allocates enough servers for average day to day populations for each game...
  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    spockout1 wrote: »
    Lag in the UI, especially the tray, is terrible. Needs fixing ASAP.
    Fix should go live next patch at the latest, looks like. It's already on Tribble, don't know if it's verified as working yet.
  • rsoblivionrsoblivion Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    First part of the UI lag fix is on tribble, they are working on optimisation of it for a second pass too by the looks of things. A bug was released with the Anniversary patch that caused the Tray not to update correctly as it didn't always take a single action as being enough to cause a tray update.

    Jesse Heinig put up a post regarding this in the Tribble Patch Notes thread.

    As for the OP, I still can't find anything worthy of substance in his arguments.
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Why

    Why would the people whose paychecks this game helps write

    intentionally

    INTENTIONALLY

    sabotage it?

    People think this.

    There are people. With functioning brains. Living, breathing adults. Who actually think this.

    Oh my head...
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  • section31agent#8506 section31agent Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    jexsamx wrote: »
    Why

    Why would the people whose paychecks this game helps write

    intentionally

    INTENTIONALLY

    sabotage it?

    People think this.

    There are people. With functioning brains. Living, breathing adults. Who actually think this.

    Oh my head...

    Gee why would they intentionally sabotage the game? let's see how about this line of thinking,...

    Dev #1 says we need to find a way to create more profit what if we forced STO players to look at and play other PWE games so they are forced into another spiraling time sink and spend more money?

    Dev #2 says well after all it is free to play besides we can allocate more servers to neverwinter nights and other PWE games.

    Dev #3 says these players are too spoiled they want us to slow down the power creep let's show them what a real slow down looks like, perhaps then they will quit complaining about our half-hearted efforts to fix anything.

    Meanwhile Chinese overlords say we need more money !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • proteus22proteus22 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    if cogent the fault switxh isps it that somple i am sure as a gaming company pwe has more than one location try running alternate servers in other areas that have fiber optic access. i know i have no right to complain i am only 30 foot from a fiberoptic hub so my roadrunner turbo is blinding fast .but you can't complain it thats your reason nove servers to better location
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    arnthebard wrote: »
    Gee why would they intentionally sabotage the game? let's see how about this line of thinking,...

    Dev #1 says we need to find a way to create more profit what if we forced STO players to look at and play other PWE games so they are forced into another spiraling time sink and spend more money?

    Dev #2 says well after all it is free to play besides we can allocate more servers to neverwinter nights and other PWE games.

    Dev #3 says these players are too spoiled they want us to slow down the power creep let's show them what a real slow down looks like, perhaps then they will quit complaining about our half-hearted efforts to fix anything.

    Meanwhile Chinese overlords say we need more money !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Conspiracy theories, malicious intentions, and sinophobia all in one post. Way to push the envelope.
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