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Why is the Federation not at war with the Romulan Empire?
newplayerguy7
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As per the title, after the events in the new 'Empress Sela' episode in the Romulan Mystery arc, why are the Federation and Romulan Star Empire not at war? I mean seriously. The fully recognized LEADER of the Empire takes a full on battle fleet across the Neutral Zone, flies deep into Federation space, enters orbit to a Federation home world (Vulcan) and attempts to obliterate it. How is that not an open act of war in any sense of the term??
That would be like the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor in WWII and the United States just shrugging their shoulders (do nothing in response) and saying, 'Eh, what are you gonna do? That's just the way they are".
Seriously!?!?
Oh and for heavens sake, please, PLEASE, change the Sela toon back to the one we originally had, the new one looks HORRIBLE.
As per the title, after the events in the new 'Empress Sela' episode in the Romulan Mystery arc, why are the Federation and Romulan Star Empire not at war? I mean seriously. The fully recognized LEADER of the Empire takes a full on battle fleet across the Neutral Zone, flies deep into Federation space, enters orbit to a Federation home world (Vulcan) and attempts to obliterate it. How is that not an open act of war in any sense of the term??
That would be like the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor in WWII and the United States just shrugging their shoulders (do nothing in response) and saying, 'Eh, what are you gonna do? That's just the way they are".
Seriously!?!?
Oh and for heavens sake, please, PLEASE, change the Sela toon back to the one we originally had, the new one looks HORRIBLE.
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Aren't we murdering Hakeev some Missions later & trying to kill Sela ?
What else do you need ?
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Yeah I know ... but still ... complicity in murder ...
Really though, the entire Empress Sela mission is really, really bad. Sela invites a prominent captain along with several delegates to the same location where she is loading all of her weapons up to attack Vulcan. Ummmmmm why? Why is she drawing attention to herself in this episode? Why even bother with a conference? Just launch a cloaked fleet at Vulcan without any warning. Done. Or if you want to lull the Federation into a false sense of security, have the fleet launch from a separate location entirely and have no evidence or proof of an incoming attack be located at the conference site.
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Except She left evidence of a potential attack everywhere at the conference site. Sure, you weren't even supposed to be in those sections of the base, but she should have assumed that Starfleet or elements within The Federation would do some snooping around. The idea of staging a conference to launch a surprise attack isn't what I think is wrong wrong with this mission, it's the fact that Sela would have a great deal of evidence just sitting around for any would be spies to stumble upon. The Romulans are supposed to be renown for their cunning, yet I see none of that here in this mission.
Although to be fair, maybe things would have ended differently if Hakeev did his part. You could argue that Sela's contingency plan was to have enough forces set aside to succeed even if their cover was blown. Unfortunately, Hakeev didn't seem too interested in helping.
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She's not exactly the best at subterfuge or tactical planning.
Look at Unification I and Unification II
She leaves Spock, Picard, and Data alone, unguarded, in her office where she has already shown them that it has holographic technology in the form of Holo-Spock.
I mean, really?
Spock. Picard. And Data. Left in a room, alone and unguarded, with holographic technology.
Not to mention her plan in those episodes was to somehow invade Vulcan with 2000 Romulan ground troops. An entire planet with 2,000 men.
She's not exactly that great at this whole "Military conquest" thing in the first place.
Heh, I was about to say that then again, Sela's character was never particularly well written to begin with. She also made the assumption that she could dupe an Android captain to slip through the Federations detection net during the end of the Klingon civil war.
Sela is pretty much the Alpha Quadrant version of Kin Jung Un; a dangerous but containable jerk.
But there is some hope that she may have a role to play in the imminent conflict with the Iconians, since she's had a good idea of what kind of threat they are (and how trying to ally with them like Hakeev tried to do was a fool's errand).
And anyway, we pretty much are at war with the Romulan Star Empire, all except for a formal declaration - Starfleet's spread thin enough as it is. If they formally declared war, the fleet would have to send forces to give the appearance of a fighting war... when really it's mostly isolated skirmishes
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Pretty much this. Sela's Empire isn't worth the Federation's time. If the RR PC hadn't taken care of things, even odds they would have eventually taken themselves out.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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That's how it's always been In Trek, the Romulans attack the Federation and the feds are like meh nice try maybe next time.
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*somewhat major novel spoilers*
Sela is arrested shortly after becoming the head of the Tal Shiar in 2384, and chooses to commit suicide instead of being Extradited to The Federation. So she's dead in the novel universe last I checked, unless some crazed author has tried to revive her since then.
Massive spoilers ahead
They already killed Janeway then lost their minds and decided to sacrifice Q jr to bring her back, do we really want them even considering reviving Sela?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Put it after, and the tension over Taris gives Sela an excellent excuse for why she'd want to hold the conference, the possible time-frame between the attack and when events supersede the issue is shorter (an actual invasion of the RSE is something Starfleet would probably want to bring up to the Federation Council before doing it, so it makes sense it wouldn't come directly), the events of the FE series serves as a decent explanation for why you aren't involved with any preliminary response, and by the time the FE series over it's pretty much a moot issue, what with Sela being gone and the RSE disintegrating again. The only issue is the lead-up to Desperate Measures, but given the connection to the Romulan Republic storyline it doesn't really need that lead-up.
Still a better story than Divide et Empera...
At least here, Sela is the idiot, not the player captain.
No explanation short of active stupidity. And that leaves me with the question of how Sela got to be Empress, given that "active stupidity" is not a valuable survival trait in Romulan politics.
Politics. Taris was doing a bunch of really stupid things (e.g. quarantining plague-ridden worlds when the Federation would've provided the cure if she'd bothered to ask) and the military thought Sela would be the lesser of two evils so they teamed up with her and the Hirogen and staged a coup. I'd wager General Velal has been kicking himself ever since.
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I was worried they would do that with the way that Before Dishonor concluded, which is a shame.
I generally think of the excuse that was given during The 2800 missions regarding this. It's not that Starfleet is at its limit, more so that it would take some doing to do put together a sizable force to go on the offensive against The Romulans. I think the Federation border is well defended against the Romulans, but they aren't interested in actually going on the offensive against them, at least not a large scale offensive that is.
It could also be that The Romulan Star Empire simply doesn't have the numbers for a large scale war any more anyway. After all, we are allowed to fly very deep into their space without too many issues. So maybe Starfleet doesn't even need to divert many ships to harass The Star Empire to begin with.
Pretty much agree. While the mission itself would still have some issues, it would fit far better into the story than it did before.
A fair point.
If I remember that novel correctly... The Borg also ate Pluto. And part of the Sun...