Isn't TOS accuracy itself a contradiction? that series was wildly inconsistant every episode.
And all this "oh, it was all cerebral and stuff" - well, except maybe in "The Apple", where Kirk overcame the alien computer by blasting it with the ship's phasers from orbit, or maybe "A Piece of the Action", where they overcame the Iotian gangsters by firing the ship's phasers from orbit (I didn't know ship's phasers had a stun setting, did you?), or possibly "Spectre of the Gun", whose resolution involved having Spock convince the away team that the Earp's guns couldn't harm them and then gunning down every member of Earp's gang, or...
Look, there's a reason why Kirk's verse in the song "Star Trekkin'" involves repeated use of the phrase, "We come in peace, shoot to kill". Yes, the show had some cerebral episodes - "The Trouble With Tribbles", for instance, or "The Deadly Years". But trying to claim that's what the show was about just tells me you grew up watching TNG and didn't get to TOS until much later.
Not seeing Guardians of the Galaxy. My first thought was actually 40k Imperial Guard crossed with Wehrmacht.
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Isn't TOS accuracy itself a contradiction? that series was wildly inconsistant every episode.
Another reason why STV is most like TOS. It's probably more like Season 3.
I think its big downfall is that it was based on an Ellison idea but they didn't hire him to engage more with plotting it and they didn't spend enough on special effects.
Not picturing 40k Imperial Guard crossed with Wehrmacht. My first thought was actually Guardians of the Galaxy! How strange!
OP: I sympathize, but I think the time to worry about canon is over. Star Trek, as you may know and love it, is over, and the whole notion of canon needs to go out the window. What we have here is a stale IP with a fanbase of purists that froth at the mouth if anything hints of "not being canon." Of course, if something IS canon, then they complain that it isn't as close to canon as they'd like to to be. That's why taking on the Star Trek IP is risky. Look at all the indignation cause by the Abrams movies despite the fact that is making Star Trek more accessible than it has been in YEARS to new generations of fans (and people who were previously -- and rightly so -- weirded out by the whole "Trek" fandom).
Canon by all means is an important starting point for a game, but it can also hold an IP back from adapting and evolving as it ages, something essential for long-term survival.
Yeah, and that is one of the reasons I get less and less communally involved in trek fangroups. Fanbase is just too negative to anything with touches any element of the mythos and changes it in any way. I find it weird too, I run between both trek and transformers fan groups, and trek seems to have this very odd obsession with stagnation and seem to not care about keeping teh fanbase vital.
I doubt that the devs "ripped off" the GotG comics. And when was the first GotG trailer? June? The devs started working on Delta Rising around this time last year.
It's difficult to create a trenchcoat-or-duster-plus-mask costume without having some similarity to every other trenchcoat-or-duster-plus-mask costume that has come before. And there have been an awful lot of them.
Isn't TOS accuracy itself a contradiction? that series was wildly inconsistant every episode.
There hasn't been a Star Trek series made yet that HASN'T been very inconsistent with their own internal established facts/history over the course of its run. Welcome to Star Trek.:D
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There hasn't been a Star Trek series made yet that HASN'T been very inconsistent with their own internal established facts/history over the course of its run. Welcome to Star Trek.:D
*points at DS9* The only inconsistency I can remember was "Doctor Bashir, I Presume?" trying to retcon the Eugenics Wars as having happened in the 2100s instead of the '90s.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
As I recall, Ron Moore admitted to that being a boo boo on his part. I don't think it was meant to intentionally retcon the dates for the Eugenics Wars.
The point is, DS9 demonstrated it's perfectly possible for Star Trek to at least keep continuity errors to the bare minimum and have consistent, developed characters while still telling good stories. It just takes more diligence than the other series' writers could be arsed to bother with.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
The point is, DS9 demonstrated it's perfectly possible for Star Trek to at least keep continuity errors to the bare minimum and have consistent, developed characters while still telling good stories. It just takes more diligence than the other series' writers could be arsed to bother with.
And then you get Voyager and Star Trek: The Retcon (Enterprise)
The point is, DS9 demonstrated it's perfectly possible for Star Trek to at least keep continuity errors to the bare minimum and have consistent, developed characters while still telling good stories. It just takes more diligence than the other series' writers could be arsed to bother with.
Star Treks continuity TRIBBLE-ups aren't half as bad as people always claim they are. It's a homemade problem when you have a show which basically has a different author and director in almost every episode (same with doctor who, for example). But given these circumstances they managed to actually be pretty consistent, even most of the technobabble does somehow fit in. TOS is a different animal as a good portion of the show was shot before Rodenberry even created a deeper backstory and entities like the UFP and in addition, the episodes were not broadcast in order.
Voyager worked for the first season or so. Afterwards nobody cared anymore and Enterprise's concept was to TRIBBLE all over established stuff (partially acceptable since it showed an alternate timeline starting with thee events from first contact which altered the timeline and partially it was blatant need for recognition of the franchise instead of following original content)
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
And all this "oh, it was all cerebral and stuff" - well, except maybe in "The Apple", where Kirk overcame the alien computer by blasting it with the ship's phasers from orbit, or maybe "A Piece of the Action", where they overcame the Iotian gangsters by firing the ship's phasers from orbit (I didn't know ship's phasers had a stun setting, did you?), or possibly "Spectre of the Gun", whose resolution involved having Spock convince the away team that the Earp's guns couldn't harm them and then gunning down every member of Earp's gang, or...
Look, there's a reason why Kirk's verse in the song "Star Trekkin'" involves repeated use of the phrase, "We come in peace, shoot to kill". Yes, the show had some cerebral episodes - "The Trouble With Tribbles", for instance, or "The Deadly Years". But trying to claim that's what the show was about just tells me you grew up watching TNG and didn't get to TOS until much later.
Wait... why would we make a Federation LockBox? (Aside from the Temporal Lockbox with it's Fed ship options from the show anyway...)
We have so many cool alien factions to choose from....
~Smirk
Welll... some of us do like the major factions, y'know? As it stands at T6 we have 6 Fed, 2 Klingon, 2 Romulan, and 6 "other" ships. Plus the two T5U ships we've had since DR... almost half of the new releases have been non-faction ships.
Just saying...
Anyway, back on topic; I'd have to go with those that note the Vaadwaur uniform has more of a WWI feel to it, with the archaic helmets, gas masks and mauser-style box magazines; the similarity to GotG's mask (which is not in itself terribly original...) is probably more a case of shared heritage than anything.
Why did Starlord have that mask in GotG? Because it's a recognizable trope in itself, meant to make the character threatening and ambiguous before you get to know him. And the reason that the mask is so threatening is ultimately that WWI imagery of soldiers in full-face masks fighting through a gas-choked hell.
Now, personally I'd held a vague hope that at some stage we'd get JJ-verse greatcoat-and-helmet outfits for Klingons. Looks like this is as close as we'll ever get.
Is it just me or is the uniform a Guardian of the Galaxy ripoff? Talk about completely steering away from anything remotely Star Trek related - the new Lock Box will feature some weird ships that aren't even canon.
Truly now the end of an era is at hand, where there are no more canon vessels to see. Heck we have yet to see an Official Federation lockbox with key Canon vessels of premium quality.
You know, I think I finally figured it out: PWE has either sold, or is in the process of, selling Cryptic... to Disney. Look at the evidenc e:
Aegis Space set; "Tron"
Club 47 clothing; "Tron"
Delta Armor set; "Storm Troopers"
Vaadwaur Officer set; "Star-Lord"
Disney owns both Tron, Star Wars, and Marvel. They don't own Star Trek. Yet somehow, STO is steering more towards "Disney" properties, and less towards Star Trek. Maybe it's a bit of paranoia, but they certainly look quite "inspired by" these properties.
You know, I think I finally figured it out: PWE has either sold, or is in the process of, selling Cryptic... to Disney. Look at the evidenc e:
Aegis Space set; "Tron"
Club 47 clothing; "Tron"
Delta Armor set; "Storm Troopers"
Vaadwaur Officer set; "Star-Lord"
Disney owns both Tron, Star Wars, and Marvel. They don't own Star Trek. Yet somehow, STO is steering more towards "Disney" properties, and less towards Star Trek. Maybe it's a bit of paranoia, but they certainly look quite "inspired by" these properties.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Wait... why would we make a Federation LockBox? (Aside from the Temporal Lockbox with it's Fed ship options from the show anyway...)
~Smirk
Because we could really use some premium quality canon ships? I know it's more work for the modeling department, but I thought you guys had this thing with CBS where the idea behind lockbox ships was 'not every player will be flying them so we can release alien ships that feds would otherwise never fly'.
Yeah except now almost every player is flying at least one alien lockbox ship. Getting some premium quality T6 factional ships would be great and it'd be incentive for you guys to actually make new klingon stuff.
LOL. Honestly I take it a gospel that all scifi/fantasy themes are nothing but borrowing. Enough to convince me humanity hasn't really had an original thought since Gilgamesh...
You're all wrong. The Vaad lockbox costumes are clearly inspired by the Fifth Column.
Okay, that's a joke, but not really. C'mon, people, the Vaadwaur look has nothing to do with a movie from last summer and everything to do with German troops from the first "War to End All Wars", with a touch of Space TRIBBLE - the latter a fine Trek tradition stretching from TOS "Patterns of Force" to ENT "Storm Front". They've even got polaron Mausers. All that's missing is the pickelhaubes.
Learn a little history. It won't hurt you, and it might save you from making ignorant statements in public.
Wait... why would we make a Federation LockBox? (Aside from the Temporal Lockbox with it's Fed ship options from the show anyway...)
We have so many cool alien factions to choose from....
~Smirk
I want to say I'd be firmly against a Player Faction lockbox, I think faction ships should have a high level of availability with reasonable ease, please stick with Aliens for lockboxes.
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Isn't TOS accuracy itself a contradiction? that series was wildly inconsistant every episode.
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Look, there's a reason why Kirk's verse in the song "Star Trekkin'" involves repeated use of the phrase, "We come in peace, shoot to kill". Yes, the show had some cerebral episodes - "The Trouble With Tribbles", for instance, or "The Deadly Years". But trying to claim that's what the show was about just tells me you grew up watching TNG and didn't get to TOS until much later.
Not to sound cryptic (no pun intended), but the inconsistencies in TOS were at least consistent.
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Another reason why STV is most like TOS. It's probably more like Season 3.
I think its big downfall is that it was based on an Ellison idea but they didn't hire him to engage more with plotting it and they didn't spend enough on special effects.
Yeah, and that is one of the reasons I get less and less communally involved in trek fangroups. Fanbase is just too negative to anything with touches any element of the mythos and changes it in any way. I find it weird too, I run between both trek and transformers fan groups, and trek seems to have this very odd obsession with stagnation and seem to not care about keeping teh fanbase vital.
It doesn't seem to add up.
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As for the Jackets and stuff from the Wannabe Cardassians,people were asking for their stuff on the forums for a while now.
There hasn't been a Star Trek series made yet that HASN'T been very inconsistent with their own internal established facts/history over the course of its run. Welcome to Star Trek.:D
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*points at DS9* The only inconsistency I can remember was "Doctor Bashir, I Presume?" trying to retcon the Eugenics Wars as having happened in the 2100s instead of the '90s.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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The point is, DS9 demonstrated it's perfectly possible for Star Trek to at least keep continuity errors to the bare minimum and have consistent, developed characters while still telling good stories. It just takes more diligence than the other series' writers could be arsed to bother with.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Stuff the ships I am all out for the costume.
With my main toon having 62 costume slots.
I am hooked on a feeling!
Those snagglefrakkingfrikerseeing devs they know how to push my buttons lol
And then you get Voyager and Star Trek: The Retcon (Enterprise)
Star Treks continuity TRIBBLE-ups aren't half as bad as people always claim they are. It's a homemade problem when you have a show which basically has a different author and director in almost every episode (same with doctor who, for example). But given these circumstances they managed to actually be pretty consistent, even most of the technobabble does somehow fit in. TOS is a different animal as a good portion of the show was shot before Rodenberry even created a deeper backstory and entities like the UFP and in addition, the episodes were not broadcast in order.
Voyager worked for the first season or so. Afterwards nobody cared anymore and Enterprise's concept was to TRIBBLE all over established stuff (partially acceptable since it showed an alternate timeline starting with thee events from first contact which altered the timeline and partially it was blatant need for recognition of the franchise instead of following original content)
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Wait... why would we make a Federation LockBox? (Aside from the Temporal Lockbox with it's Fed ship options from the show anyway...)
We have so many cool alien factions to choose from....
~Smirk
I really liked this post... bravo Jonsills
Point of order: They didn't gun down Wyatt Earp's group in "Spectre of the Gun." Kirk rushed them and punched Earp out.
Because we know Tacofangs would TRIBBLE his uniform in excitement at the thought of EVEN MORE Federation content he could design.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
Welll... some of us do like the major factions, y'know? As it stands at T6 we have 6 Fed, 2 Klingon, 2 Romulan, and 6 "other" ships. Plus the two T5U ships we've had since DR... almost half of the new releases have been non-faction ships.
Just saying...
Anyway, back on topic; I'd have to go with those that note the Vaadwaur uniform has more of a WWI feel to it, with the archaic helmets, gas masks and mauser-style box magazines; the similarity to GotG's mask (which is not in itself terribly original...) is probably more a case of shared heritage than anything.
Why did Starlord have that mask in GotG? Because it's a recognizable trope in itself, meant to make the character threatening and ambiguous before you get to know him. And the reason that the mask is so threatening is ultimately that WWI imagery of soldiers in full-face masks fighting through a gas-choked hell.
Now, personally I'd held a vague hope that at some stage we'd get JJ-verse greatcoat-and-helmet outfits for Klingons. Looks like this is as close as we'll ever get.
You know, I think I finally figured it out: PWE has either sold, or is in the process of, selling Cryptic... to Disney. Look at the evidenc e:
Aegis Space set; "Tron"
Club 47 clothing; "Tron"
Delta Armor set; "Storm Troopers"
Vaadwaur Officer set; "Star-Lord"
Disney owns both Tron, Star Wars, and Marvel. They don't own Star Trek. Yet somehow, STO is steering more towards "Disney" properties, and less towards Star Trek. Maybe it's a bit of paranoia, but they certainly look quite "inspired by" these properties.
Right, because Star Trek has never drawn inspiration from or made shout outs to other franchises before. :rolleyes:
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He doesn't make ships, and I think he's more interested in Cardassian content - aka Deep Space Nine.
Because we could really use some premium quality canon ships? I know it's more work for the modeling department, but I thought you guys had this thing with CBS where the idea behind lockbox ships was 'not every player will be flying them so we can release alien ships that feds would otherwise never fly'.
Yeah except now almost every player is flying at least one alien lockbox ship. Getting some premium quality T6 factional ships would be great and it'd be incentive for you guys to actually make new klingon stuff.
Okay, that's a joke, but not really. C'mon, people, the Vaadwaur look has nothing to do with a movie from last summer and everything to do with German troops from the first "War to End All Wars", with a touch of Space TRIBBLE - the latter a fine Trek tradition stretching from TOS "Patterns of Force" to ENT "Storm Front". They've even got polaron Mausers. All that's missing is the pickelhaubes.
Learn a little history. It won't hurt you, and it might save you from making ignorant statements in public.
I want to say I'd be firmly against a Player Faction lockbox, I think faction ships should have a high level of availability with reasonable ease, please stick with Aliens for lockboxes.