The death knell of this game is alternate versions of the established lock boxes. Just small cosmetic changes.
I welcome more costume additions to the game. There are so many races, uniforms, and ships that STO can still go with (Vi'idian, Vulcan, Andorian, Lethean, Gorn, Bajoran, and so on). This new uniform will look good on my Ferengi mercenary/privateer motiff i am going with.
I know its been said before but i cant help adding evidence
Cyptic has said they used WW1 German soldiers uniforms as the basis for the Vaadwaar uniforms. http://i.imgur.com/CJXtA.jpg
Kinda bares a similarity don't you think. You know just give it a 24th century treatment.
I can't decide whether it's funny or sad that someone's first thought is Guardians of the Galaxy, rather than German WWI/II uniforms (moreso with all the empire allusions of the Vaadwaur).
Not deliberately trying to bash any one here; but I just find the disconnect really notable.
Regardless, I'd wear them, and go for a Helgast/Fallout Enclave/Wolfenstein style.
Let's see. Gas masks, a Supremacy trait, and an Astika-class Battleship (The first one of its class probably called the VSW Astika). TOTALLY Guardians of the Galaxy and not something else. TOTALLY.
"Dammit private! I said "Get the radiator Ta'al asked for," not "Irradiate the Talaxians more!""
Is there wasn't that red coat at the end, my first thought would have been WWI soldiers.
To be fair, it's one way to cut down on the risk of being accused of supporting WWII TRIBBLE, even though it's just nothing more than a fashion choice.
As well, it also serves to give an idea of how it can be colored, since going with the standard Vaadwaur brown isn't all that exciting, and going shades of black would again bring the TRIBBLE accusations for some.
Ok just to give 1 more angle to this thing. Paramount recently dropped Orci from Star Trek 3 film and producers said they want the new film more Guardians of the galaxy.
Anyways, uniform is okay. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
Suits me fine, my main does not use anything that is starfleet, I like to think of her as a private contractor/mercenary that starfleet call upon when they don't want to get their hands dirty..... So more clothing options to throw in to the mix is welcome.
Check out the mask this guy is wearing. There is more than a passing similarity. It's as likely to be a nod to a TMP alien race as a ripoff from any of the other sources being cited. Enter people complaining how terrible TMP was and how they deserved better than Star Trek pajamas for free today.
1. It took you this long to notice? These uniforms have been in-game for months, just not for players before now.
2. Neither the outfit nor the mask look anything like any outfit I recall from GotG. I guess if you get a little drunk and squint, the mask looks kind of like Star Lord's mask but that's a stretch.
3. You'll never see a faction-specific lockbox so hoping for one tells me you don't actually have any clue how lockboxes work to start with.
4. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last that people look at a cloud and see a face. People still compare the Bortasqu' to the Terran Battlecruiser and for some reason still compare the Atrox to a turgid member.
5. You really started a thread for this? I mean, it's your time to waste, but still. You could be washing a dish or petting your cat, but instead you decided to spend those three precious minutes writing a thread about a vague, barely recognizable resemblance to another property like you think it matters.
Enter people complaining how terrible TMP was and how they deserved better than Star Trek pajamas for free today.
TMP was a pretty terrible film, poorly-paced and with a plot largely copied from the episodes "Obsession" and "The Changeling". On the other hand, I liked the pajamas. One of my toons is supposed to be working undercover for Starfleet Intelligence, flying a Risian cruiser with hidden weapon upgrades, and the TMP pajamas are good "cruise ship crew" outfits. Better than the TNG pajamas in the first two seasons, anyway.
I can't decide whether it's funny or sad that someone's first thought is Guardians of the Galaxy, rather than German WWI/II uniforms (moreso with all the empire allusions of the Vaadwaur).
Not deliberately trying to bash any one here; but I just find the disconnect really notable.
Gamers I've found are generally a stupid, uneducated bunch. For example, I recall watching a couple years back on YouTube the trailer for the movie Iron Sky (y'know, the one with the TRIBBLE and their secret base on the Moon). Anyway, near the end of the trailer, one of the TRIBBLE says "See you in Valhalla."
And then there it was, in the comment section: "Valhalla? As in FINAL FANTASY Valhalla?"
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TMP was a pretty terrible film, poorly-paced and with a plot largely copied from the episodes "Obsession" and "The Changeling". On the other hand, I liked the pajamas. One of my toons is supposed to be working undercover for Starfleet Intelligence, flying a Risian cruiser with hidden weapon upgrades, and the TMP pajamas are good "cruise ship crew" outfits. Better than the TNG pajamas in the first two seasons, anyway.
I have to agree jon; I was spoiled watching II and III and the classic show before I set eyes on TMP so it was comparatively difficult to watch. As a unified story it was rough but I will give it some points for the voyager connection and the emergence of proto-modern Klingons but that's about it. I also liked the score and admit to playing the Klingon battle song on youtube in the background when I'm flying around in my battle cruisers .
I pick my uniforms on their utility. While I don't like the TMP uniform that much I'd have to place it in the same category as those early TNG outfits. Where would they put their tools? I appreciated the DS9 uniforms quite a bit more. My service dress of choice for all of my Federation crews is actually the Odyssey set and it's variants. The stock suit/ long tunic is great for shipboard wear and the excursion with it's utility pouches looks solid for away missions. When I make them wear their DUs Odyssey has that covered too and the diplomat pants with their piping scream sharp and uncomfortable at the same time; Exactly what I expect from full riggers. Choice of colours is a nod to uniforms from DS9 to Voyager.
i now have the urge to make an outfit, with a gas mask, and go around asking " Are you my mummy?" :P
WHO?? :P
I still want THIS outfit from The Motion Picture, for my Engineer.
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Is it just me or is the uniform a Guardian of the Galaxy ripoff? Talk about completely steering away from anything remotely Star Trek related - the new Lock Box will feature some weird ships that aren't even canon.
Truly now the end of an era is at hand, where there are no more canon vessels to see. Heck we have yet to see an Official Federation lockbox with key Canon vessels of premium quality.
Um, just so you know - 'Star Trek' itself as originally conceived by GR borrowed HEAVILY from the film: Forbidden Planet (link)
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I couldn't disagree with you more. For my money it is the most Star Trek of all the films, cerebral and science focused with the only combat being the failed attempt to destroy it by the Klingon battlecruisers. That said in bright bold letters "this is not a Star Wars movie, where the heroes will go in guns blazing and blow up the enemy fortress. Force will not work. This problem must be solved with the intellect, not the barrel of a phaser".
Was it slow? Yes. Was it a bit dry? Ok, also yes. But it was science people doing science things, defusing challenges with intellectual rigor and creative problem solving. Gathering data, establishing patterns, asking "what is this and how does it work?" and finding the answers scientifically. It's exactly what so many fans say they want Star Trek to be instead of mindless pew pew and boom boom, but when they get it they reject it in favor of the flash action set pieces.
I'll take TMP over JJTrek any day.
I agree. TMP is not my favourite, mind you, but for the reasons you outlined above it is a good movie and the message is more valuable then "you need bigger guns than the others".
I remember that one of the designers flat out said in his twitter-reddit-thingy, in regards to the Intelligence ships, that they see kids (yes, he said kids) aren't wowed by Star Trek anymore and thus they 'borrow inspirations' from other popular franchises to get them playing STO. I'm not making that up - it was refreshing to read that. Of course, it was inofficial, but honest.
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Is it just me or is the uniform a Guardian of the Galaxy ripoff? Talk about completely steering away from anything remotely Star Trek related - the new Lock Box will feature some weird ships that aren't even canon.
Truly now the end of an era is at hand, where there are no more canon vessels to see. Heck we have yet to see an Official Federation lockbox with key Canon vessels of premium quality.
You're a little late to the game.
And canon is irrelevant in STO. Thought you'd know that by now.
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Never mind, the intention of the costumes.
The mask is close enough to Starlord's that people will use it that way, same as they have been making Iron Man armor out of the Undine rep costume with red/gold colors (and flying it around on Risa) .
...and bug hunt is a rip off of starship troopers. I don't really care. I personally like the nods to other scifi series. Or in this case movie/comic book.
Not picturing 40k Imperial Guard crossed with Wehrmacht. My first thought was actually Guardians of the Galaxy! How strange!
OP: I sympathize, but I think the time to worry about canon is over. Star Trek, as you may know and love it, is over, and the whole notion of canon needs to go out the window. What we have here is a stale IP with a fanbase of purists that froth at the mouth if anything hints of "not being canon." Of course, if something IS canon, then they complain that it isn't as close to canon as they'd like to to be. That's why taking on the Star Trek IP is risky. Look at all the indignation cause by the Abrams movies despite the fact that is making Star Trek more accessible than it has been in YEARS to new generations of fans (and people who were previously -- and rightly so -- weirded out by the whole "Trek" fandom).
Canon by all means is an important starting point for a game, but it can also hold an IP back from adapting and evolving as it ages, something essential for long-term survival.
What STO is evolving into has been the topic of many, many forum, Reddit, Facebook and Twitter comments and it's not pretty.
Cryptic can steer clear of the IP and its ideals all they want. That being a good thing has been up for heavy debate. I've personally resigned myself to accepting that the game has become either an Asian-emulated grinder or some sick Skinner Box experiment for PWE or some convoluted combination of both for research purposes into the Western MMO model.
Whatever it's become, Star Trek isn't it. STO wouldn't even still be around without Trekkies and Trekkers. We're getting to a point when we'll all see how it fares if it loses that base.
What STO is evolving into has been the topic of many, many forum, Reddit, Facebook and Twitter comments and it's not pretty.
Cryptic can steer clear of the IP and its ideals all they want. That being a good thing has been up for heavy debate. I've personally resigned myself to accepting that the game has become either an Asian-emulated grinder or some sick Skinner Box experiment for PWE or some convoluted combination of both for research purposes into the Western MMO model.
Whatever it's become, Star Trek isn't it. STO wouldn't even still be around without Trekkies and Trekkers. We're getting to a point when we'll all see how it fares if it loses that base.
I sorta feel that way as well...too much blowing stuff up. When I think of how many people my captain has sent to the afterlife I cringe. Pretty sure at this point I've committed genocide against every race in the universe.
I remember doing one of the story missions a little while back, I think it was part of delta rising, but it may have been an older one. I came upon the remains of a ship and one of my crew told me everyone on the ship was dead and my captain was like "oh to bad, set a course to wherever" and I was like wow...I'm a total TRIBBLE apparently.
Not seeing Guardians of the Galaxy. My first thought was actually 40k Imperial Guard crossed with Wehrmacht.
And guess what. There's only one single Vaadwaur ship in the canon, and it's a fighter. Cryptic's artists did a pretty good job extrapolating a capital ship lineup from that.
Yeah. With the helmet, long coat, and mask I definitely get a Death Korps or Steel Legion vibe from the Vaadwaur uniforms.
I couldn't disagree with you more. For my money it is the most Star Trek of all the films, cerebral and science focused with the only combat being the failed attempt to destroy it by the Klingon battlecruisers. That said in bright bold letters "this is not a Star Wars movie, where the heroes will go in guns blazing and blow up the enemy fortress. Force will not work. This problem must be solved with the intellect, not the barrel of a phaser".
Was it slow? Yes. Was it a bit dry? Ok, also yes. But it was science people doing science things, defusing challenges with intellectual rigor and creative problem solving. Gathering data, establishing patterns, asking "what is this and how does it work?" and finding the answers scientifically. It's exactly what so many fans say they want Star Trek to be instead of mindless pew pew and boom boom, but when they get it they reject it in favor of the flash action set pieces.
I'll take TMP over JJTrek any day.
I think Star Trek V is the most Trek of all the films, actually.
Fake deity demanding worship. New age cultists take over the Enterprise. Moral dilemma of euthanasia tackled. Low budget. Crooked bureaucrats. Classic distraction ploy used against villains. Kirk-Spock-McCoy three way banter.
It's probably the hands down truest to TOS of any film. I'd say Final Frontier and THEN TMP if you're looking for TOS accuracy.
At the same time, Insurrection is probably the truest to the actual TNG TV series of any of their films and is probably the weakest TNG film.
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I welcome more costume additions to the game. There are so many races, uniforms, and ships that STO can still go with (Vi'idian, Vulcan, Andorian, Lethean, Gorn, Bajoran, and so on). This new uniform will look good on my Ferengi mercenary/privateer motiff i am going with.
Cyptic has said they used WW1 German soldiers uniforms as the basis for the Vaadwaar uniforms.
http://i.imgur.com/CJXtA.jpg
Kinda bares a similarity don't you think. You know just give it a 24th century treatment.
Not deliberately trying to bash any one here; but I just find the disconnect really notable.
Regardless, I'd wear them, and go for a Helgast/Fallout Enclave/Wolfenstein style.
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As well, it also serves to give an idea of how it can be colored, since going with the standard Vaadwaur brown isn't all that exciting, and going shades of black would again bring the TRIBBLE accusations for some.
Anyways, uniform is okay. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
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1. It took you this long to notice? These uniforms have been in-game for months, just not for players before now.
2. Neither the outfit nor the mask look anything like any outfit I recall from GotG. I guess if you get a little drunk and squint, the mask looks kind of like Star Lord's mask but that's a stretch.
3. You'll never see a faction-specific lockbox so hoping for one tells me you don't actually have any clue how lockboxes work to start with.
4. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last that people look at a cloud and see a face. People still compare the Bortasqu' to the Terran Battlecruiser and for some reason still compare the Atrox to a turgid member.
5. You really started a thread for this? I mean, it's your time to waste, but still. You could be washing a dish or petting your cat, but instead you decided to spend those three precious minutes writing a thread about a vague, barely recognizable resemblance to another property like you think it matters.
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TMP was a pretty terrible film, poorly-paced and with a plot largely copied from the episodes "Obsession" and "The Changeling". On the other hand, I liked the pajamas. One of my toons is supposed to be working undercover for Starfleet Intelligence, flying a Risian cruiser with hidden weapon upgrades, and the TMP pajamas are good "cruise ship crew" outfits. Better than the TNG pajamas in the first two seasons, anyway.
Gamers I've found are generally a stupid, uneducated bunch. For example, I recall watching a couple years back on YouTube the trailer for the movie Iron Sky (y'know, the one with the TRIBBLE and their secret base on the Moon). Anyway, near the end of the trailer, one of the TRIBBLE says "See you in Valhalla."
And then there it was, in the comment section: "Valhalla? As in FINAL FANTASY Valhalla?"
I immediately headdesked.
I have to agree jon; I was spoiled watching II and III and the classic show before I set eyes on TMP so it was comparatively difficult to watch. As a unified story it was rough but I will give it some points for the voyager connection and the emergence of proto-modern Klingons but that's about it. I also liked the score and admit to playing the Klingon battle song on youtube in the background when I'm flying around in my battle cruisers
I pick my uniforms on their utility. While I don't like the TMP uniform that much I'd have to place it in the same category as those early TNG outfits. Where would they put their tools? I appreciated the DS9 uniforms quite a bit more. My service dress of choice for all of my Federation crews is actually the Odyssey set and it's variants. The stock suit/ long tunic is great for shipboard wear and the excursion with it's utility pouches looks solid for away missions. When I make them wear their DUs Odyssey has that covered too and the diplomat pants with their piping scream sharp and uncomfortable at the same time; Exactly what I expect from full riggers. Choice of colours is a nod to uniforms from DS9 to Voyager.
WHO?? :P
I still want THIS outfit from The Motion Picture, for my Engineer.
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Um, just so you know - 'Star Trek' itself as originally conceived by GR borrowed HEAVILY from the film: Forbidden Planet (link)
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I agree. TMP is not my favourite, mind you, but for the reasons you outlined above it is a good movie and the message is more valuable then "you need bigger guns than the others".
@OP:
I remember that one of the designers flat out said in his twitter-reddit-thingy, in regards to the Intelligence ships, that they see kids (yes, he said kids) aren't wowed by Star Trek anymore and thus they 'borrow inspirations' from other popular franchises to get them playing STO. I'm not making that up - it was refreshing to read that. Of course, it was inofficial, but honest.
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The mask is close enough to Starlord's that people will use it that way, same as they have been making Iron Man armor out of the Undine rep costume with red/gold colors (and flying it around on Risa) .
What STO is evolving into has been the topic of many, many forum, Reddit, Facebook and Twitter comments and it's not pretty.
Cryptic can steer clear of the IP and its ideals all they want. That being a good thing has been up for heavy debate. I've personally resigned myself to accepting that the game has become either an Asian-emulated grinder or some sick Skinner Box experiment for PWE or some convoluted combination of both for research purposes into the Western MMO model.
Whatever it's become, Star Trek isn't it. STO wouldn't even still be around without Trekkies and Trekkers. We're getting to a point when we'll all see how it fares if it loses that base.
I sorta feel that way as well...too much blowing stuff up. When I think of how many people my captain has sent to the afterlife I cringe. Pretty sure at this point I've committed genocide against every race in the universe.
I remember doing one of the story missions a little while back, I think it was part of delta rising, but it may have been an older one. I came upon the remains of a ship and one of my crew told me everyone on the ship was dead and my captain was like "oh to bad, set a course to wherever" and I was like wow...I'm a total TRIBBLE apparently.
Yeah. With the helmet, long coat, and mask I definitely get a Death Korps or Steel Legion vibe from the Vaadwaur uniforms.
I think Star Trek V is the most Trek of all the films, actually.
Fake deity demanding worship. New age cultists take over the Enterprise. Moral dilemma of euthanasia tackled. Low budget. Crooked bureaucrats. Classic distraction ploy used against villains. Kirk-Spock-McCoy three way banter.
It's probably the hands down truest to TOS of any film. I'd say Final Frontier and THEN TMP if you're looking for TOS accuracy.
At the same time, Insurrection is probably the truest to the actual TNG TV series of any of their films and is probably the weakest TNG film.