It had a rocky start, but as it went along, I think it improved quite a bit. It was never super consistent, but when I did my big "Watch every Star Trek episode and movie in chronological story order" project a couple years back, I was surprised -- I enjoyed it a lot more the second time through, and thought it held up really well.
I think DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise all worked better when binge-watching than they did in weekly doses.
I think people are hard on voyager with little cause honestly. Did some of the scripts focus to much on stupid love sub plots, sure... where some of the characters badly written at times, ah yep. Still even focuses of hate like Nelix had there moments when the writing didn't let them down. (Fair Trade comes to mind.. I feel its also what they should have done with Nelix the entire time, making him a darker character, who's ultimate redemption could have been more profound.)
I think in the end it was the writing that let voyager down. There was a handful of really strong episodes, and some that did touch on some great social commentary. There was also far to many that where just poor... and there where plenty of missed opportunities. Nelix being one of them... he got the reverse Troy done on him. Started off with an interesting and useful premise, turned into a cheerleader characters. Had Nelix been a woman, the complaints would be low. After they blew the promise of a "baltar" type character at least they could have put her in a shorter skirt. lol
I also agree that Meld and Basics 1+2 are also right up there.
Trek is always best when it has a message wrapped in solid Sci fi. With all the trek series you can't expect A+ Sci fi writing in every episode. If people are honest with themselves there are just as many terrible DS9 and TNG episodes... even a good handful of TOS are horid.
Although the worst of Voyager was annoying... the best is right up there imo.
I will say that I liked voyager, and I even enjoyed Neelix. Yes the writing wasn't great and there were some very bad episodes, but as you say there were some good ones too. I was even moved by the finale, especially the scenes of tuvok with a crippling mental disorder. I was quite worried they were going to end him tragically and that didn't sit right with me. I was very glad it didn't happen.
So cheers to the voyager cast and crew, thanks for the show.
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It's obvious what should be done, then. A special mission where you join Kelsey Grammer's character (whatever his name was) investigating an anomaly in the Delta Quadrant. It happens to be a dimensional bleed where the Power Rangers are fighting the Exofleet. Frasier has to mediate the conflict, or else Walker is going to call in a brain-zapped Superman to lay the smack down on everyone.
For some reason, Frasier is stuck on the ship and has to only use subspace radio, so he starts out letting everyone know "he's listening."
taylor may have been thinking of the dialogue from "Endgame" which said that in the "original" timeline, it took Voyager an additional 16 years to get home, for a total of 23 years. So, they'd still be three years out.
On the other hand, given the scale of sectors in STO's in-game galaxy map, it would appear that by 2410 it's now theoretically possible to complete the trip in 45 minutes, tops, using just plain old warp drive - no quantum slipstream or transwarp even necessary. (This would at least explain why, in "A Step Between Stars", the captain of the USS Gold was apparently unfazed by the prospect of following Voyager's path across Delta Quadrant, if only they could have gotten out of the Jenolen Dyson Sphere.)
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.
Though now that you mention this, I mustve had remembered them "cutting off 20 years or so" in a particular episode.
They shaved 10-year chunks off their trip on at least two different occasions: Kes punted them past Borg space in "The Gift", and the quantum slipstream drive they built in "Timeless" brought them another 10 years closer before it was shut down.
Neither of these 10-year jumps, of course, were taken into account by Cryptic when designing Delta Rising, as they brought together Delta Quadrant races encountered before and after each of these jumps, which supposedly spanned tens of thousands of light years all told, and crammed them all into six sectors in one relatively tiny region of space traversed by Voyager before the first jump. (Then again, given the aforementioned scaling issues with respect to the galaxy as a whole, maybe these six sectors really are supposed to encompass Voyager's entire path, 10-year jumps and all.)
Voyager could have been better and could have been a lot worse. At least in the first episode the captain was not wearing a skirt for a dress uniform, and there was no bad time travel or time travel cold war......that never got explained. I honestly soured on voyager when the decipher ccg made the tom paris card as good as using spock, data, sulu, McCoy, and scottie together. Tom many voyager characters were too skilled to be believable, and others never evolved. 15 years after the show first aired I re watched it, I did like the show more the second time, and janeway grew on me a lot more that time and every time I have watched it since
[They shaved 10-year chunks off their trip on at least two different occasions: Kes punted them past Borg space in "The Gift", and the quantum slipstream drive they built in "Timeless" brought them another 10 years closer before it was shut down.
Plus the warp equations that Q gave to Janeway that shaved a few years off the trip.
She takes no TRIBBLE, and put's up with Neelix. Even whinny Kes.
Bad girl Janeway. Raaaarrw..... >=3
... I think I threw up in my mouth a little....
P.S. to the guy mashing up other shows: You can't have Frasier Crane mediate the response. Kelsey Grammer is already in Trek! He was Captain Bateson of the USS Bozeman, which repeatedly rammed into the Enterprise-D's nacelle in TNG.
The way the shows stereotype writing was going I was waiting for Chakotay to start carrying around a flask everywhere he went.
Funnily enough it turns out at one point that he's been keeping several cases of hard cider in one of the cargo bays.
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Voyager was alright, except for being too over-the-top and of trying to squeeze too much content into single episodes. It would have been better if they had 2-part or even 3-part episodes to go more in depth and stretch some stories longer.
Then we might know which is the fore of the Benthan cruiser!
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I think DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise all worked better when binge-watching than they did in weekly doses.
I will say that I liked voyager, and I even enjoyed Neelix. Yes the writing wasn't great and there were some very bad episodes, but as you say there were some good ones too. I was even moved by the finale, especially the scenes of tuvok with a crippling mental disorder. I was quite worried they were going to end him tragically and that didn't sit right with me. I was very glad it didn't happen.
So cheers to the voyager cast and crew, thanks for the show.
It's obvious what should be done, then. A special mission where you join Kelsey Grammer's character (whatever his name was) investigating an anomaly in the Delta Quadrant. It happens to be a dimensional bleed where the Power Rangers are fighting the Exofleet. Frasier has to mediate the conflict, or else Walker is going to call in a brain-zapped Superman to lay the smack down on everyone.
For some reason, Frasier is stuck on the ship and has to only use subspace radio, so he starts out letting everyone know "he's listening."
Maybe Superman can fight a Megazord.
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taylor may have been thinking of the dialogue from "Endgame" which said that in the "original" timeline, it took Voyager an additional 16 years to get home, for a total of 23 years. So, they'd still be three years out.
On the other hand, given the scale of sectors in STO's in-game galaxy map, it would appear that by 2410 it's now theoretically possible to complete the trip in 45 minutes, tops, using just plain old warp drive - no quantum slipstream or transwarp even necessary. (This would at least explain why, in "A Step Between Stars", the captain of the USS Gold was apparently unfazed by the prospect of following Voyager's path across Delta Quadrant, if only they could have gotten out of the Jenolen Dyson Sphere.)
They shaved 10-year chunks off their trip on at least two different occasions: Kes punted them past Borg space in "The Gift", and the quantum slipstream drive they built in "Timeless" brought them another 10 years closer before it was shut down.
Neither of these 10-year jumps, of course, were taken into account by Cryptic when designing Delta Rising, as they brought together Delta Quadrant races encountered before and after each of these jumps, which supposedly spanned tens of thousands of light years all told, and crammed them all into six sectors in one relatively tiny region of space traversed by Voyager before the first jump. (Then again, given the aforementioned scaling issues with respect to the galaxy as a whole, maybe these six sectors really are supposed to encompass Voyager's entire path, 10-year jumps and all.)
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Plus the warp equations that Q gave to Janeway that shaved a few years off the trip.
... watch the link ... , trust me , it's better then Star Trek , and it's relation to the number 47 ...
... I think I threw up in my mouth a little....
P.S. to the guy mashing up other shows: You can't have Frasier Crane mediate the response. Kelsey Grammer is already in Trek! He was Captain Bateson of the USS Bozeman, which repeatedly rammed into the Enterprise-D's nacelle in TNG.
Yup, that's about right.
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Funnily enough it turns out at one point that he's been keeping several cases of hard cider in one of the cargo bays.
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We won't, we're talking about the Star Trek: Voyager show....
Then we might know which is the fore of the Benthan cruiser!