Voyager was alright, except for being too over-the-top and of trying to squeeze too much content into single episodes. It would have been better if they had 2-part or even 3-part episodes to go more in depth and stretch some stories longer.
Its only 20 yrs old.. Wow it was worse than I thought then :rolleyes:
Seriously though feck .. Cant believe its that old and they still haven't released a version that doesn't look like its been filmed through vaseline yet.. (Is one planned (I presume it was filmed on 35mm like TNG or do they not think theres the demand)
I would doubt they shot it on 35mm, based on ALL OTHER levels of quality used in the show. It was a phoned in effort, with pathetic writing and didn't even follow its own rules or guidelines, other than the ever-standing golden rule that applied to every episode ("f*** it, do it anyway").
Good riddance. Worst trek ever -- and yes that includes Enterprise.
I would doubt they shot it on 35mm, based on ALL OTHER levels of quality used in the show. It was a phoned in effort, with pathetic writing and didn't even follow its own rules or guidelines, other than the ever-standing golden rule that applied to every episode ("f*** it, do it anyway").
Good riddance. Worst trek ever -- and yes that includes Enterprise.
Yes, Happy Anniversary Voyager. For any show to be remembered and celebrated 20 years after it was first released is a pretty cool thing. I should also point out that Babylon 5 and DS9 technically premiered the same year. A good year for science fictions television. Except for Seaquest DSV - overhyped, and underdelivered, but it did have Roy Scheider and Peter Deluise.
What other shows from 1993 do you remember?
Acapulco H.E.A.T.
The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.
Animaniacs
Bakersfield PD
The Building
The Chevy Chase Show
Sr. Quinn Medicine woman
Exosquad
Fallen Angels
Frasier (omg)
Grace Under Fire
The john Stewart Show
Late Night with Conan O'Brien
Late Show with David Letterman
Lois & Clark
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers
Politically Incorrect
Route 66
Seaquest DSV
Space Rangers
Star Trek Deep Space Nine (debuted in 1993)
Much like Janeway violated the Temporal Prime Directive in the show to save Voyager some time, I'm hoping that sometime in the future somebody will come back and save us from Voyager...
edit: Yes, I know some folks like VOY. I'm not telling them they can't like it. I'm just saying I don't like it.
Much like Janeway violated the Temporal Prime Directive in the show to save Voyager some time, I'm hoping that sometime in the future somebody will come back and save us from Voyager...
edit: Yes, I know some folks like VOY. I'm not telling them they can't like it. I'm just saying I don't like it.
*chuckle* Voyager turned me off TV for a while. It's the first ST series I stopped recording, only coming back to it in reruns.
Voyager gave us one of my favorite Star Trek characters: Lon Suder (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Lon_Suder). Not only is Brad Dourif an excellent character actor, but his first appearance gives us an episode that talks about capital punishment, and then when he appears again we get to see that he has developed as a character thanks to his previous experiences. Though his time is brief, he makes for a fascinating study in what it's like to live in the Star Trek future when you aren't "perfect" like everyone else and you have to hide who you are just to fit in -- and how the things that made you less-than-perfect can, under the right conditions, make you a hero.
Voyager gave us one of my favorite Star Trek characters: Lon Suder (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Lon_Suder). Not only is Brad Dourif an excellent character actor, but his first appearance gives us an episode that talks about capital punishment, and then when he appears again we get to see that he has developed as a character thanks to his previous experiences. Though his time is brief, he makes for a fascinating study in what it's like to live in the Star Trek future when you aren't "perfect" like everyone else and you have to hide who you are just to fit in -- and how the things that made you less-than-perfect can, under the right conditions, make you a hero.
I had completely forgotten about him, thanks for reminding me. You're quite right, one of the better performances in true trek fashion.
Makes think about what the Mirror Suder would be like.
Posting mostly to see my sig. It's amazing that Voyager's so old. Too bad Cryptic isn't doing anything for it (so far) they usually do a better job at Voyager than the original producers did.
I remember the first time I watched Voyager. After the first episode all I could think was "this is boring, where's Jeri Ryan?" Come to think of it, the second time went something like that too; till season 7 where I then said TRIBBLE this and watched Doctor Who instead.:D
I remember the Anniversary of TNG on STO, where you spoke to a hologram of Worf and got the TOS Kilingon sash as a reward.
This time around, what with all the DR stuff (BEST EXPANSION EVER AND THE PLAYERS LOVE IT!!), do we see anything special in the game?
How about an ingame dose of Prozac so you character avoids the bi-polar/schizophrenic nature that was evident week to week in the 'Captain Janeway' character?:eek::D;)
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Voyager gave us one of my favorite Star Trek characters: Lon Suder (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Lon_Suder). Not only is Brad Dourif an excellent character actor, but his first appearance gives us an episode that talks about capital punishment, and then when he appears again we get to see that he has developed as a character thanks to his previous experiences. Though his time is brief, he makes for a fascinating study in what it's like to live in the Star Trek future when you aren't "perfect" like everyone else and you have to hide who you are just to fit in -- and how the things that made you less-than-perfect can, under the right conditions, make you a hero.
I liked those episodes very much.
I think people are hard on voyager with little cause honestly. Did some of the scripts focus to much on stupid love sub plots, sure... where some of the characters badly written at times, ah yep. Still even focuses of hate like Nelix had there moments when the writing didn't let them down. (Fair Trade comes to mind.. I feel its also what they should have done with Nelix the entire time, making him a darker character, who's ultimate redemption could have been more profound.)
I think in the end it was the writing that let voyager down. There was a handful of really strong episodes, and some that did touch on some great social commentary. There was also far to many that where just poor... and there where plenty of missed opportunities. Nelix being one of them... he got the reverse Troy done on him. Started off with an interesting and useful premise, turned into a cheerleader characters. Had Nelix been a woman, the complaints would be low. After they blew the promise of a "baltar" type character at least they could have put her in a shorter skirt. lol
I also agree that Meld and Basics 1+2 are also right up there.
Trek is always best when it has a message wrapped in solid Sci fi. With all the trek series you can't expect A+ Sci fi writing in every episode. If people are honest with themselves there are just as many terrible DS9 and TNG episodes... even a good handful of TOS are horid.
Although the worst of Voyager was annoying... the best is right up there imo.
Voyager gave us one of my favorite Star Trek characters: Lon Suder (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Lon_Suder). Not only is Brad Dourif an excellent character actor, but his first appearance gives us an episode that talks about capital punishment, and then when he appears again we get to see that he has developed as a character thanks to his previous experiences. Though his time is brief, he makes for a fascinating study in what it's like to live in the Star Trek future when you aren't "perfect" like everyone else and you have to hide who you are just to fit in -- and how the things that made you less-than-perfect can, under the right conditions, make you a hero.
Still not as much as Barclay.
And how has it been 20 years? Where the hell did all those years go?? I watch the 90s Trek series and they don't feel that old. TNG started in the 80s and still feels sort of modern.
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They still have time to do some sort of " event ".
Anywho, that's cool to know. =^^=
Time to re-watch the series from the beginning.
I can watch it while I'm mashing my space bar in Argala.
:P
so for those who complained some of the voice actors in DR from Voyager sounded old
Now you know why
Damn I feel old.
Seriously though feck .. Cant believe its that old and they still haven't released a version that doesn't look like its been filmed through vaseline yet.. (Is one planned (I presume it was filmed on 35mm like TNG or do they not think theres the demand)
Good riddance. Worst trek ever -- and yes that includes Enterprise.
This. So much this.
Its hard to accept that its already been 20 years. Time sure does fly when you're having fun.
Now ..wasn't Voyager about 20 years travel time away from Earth ? They'd be arriving home around now, had the show followed real time.
That's quite something, in and of itself.
75, actually.
What other shows from 1993 do you remember?
Acapulco H.E.A.T.
The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.
Animaniacs
Bakersfield PD
The Building
The Chevy Chase Show
Sr. Quinn Medicine woman
Exosquad
Fallen Angels
Frasier (omg)
Grace Under Fire
The john Stewart Show
Late Night with Conan O'Brien
Late Show with David Letterman
Lois & Clark
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers
Politically Incorrect
Route 66
Seaquest DSV
Space Rangers
Star Trek Deep Space Nine (debuted in 1993)
and
Walker, Texas Ranger
Suddenly I am feeling very, very old.
edit: Yes, I know some folks like VOY. I'm not telling them they can't like it. I'm just saying I don't like it.
*chuckle* Voyager turned me off TV for a while. It's the first ST series I stopped recording, only coming back to it in reruns.
Highlight (lowlight) Janeway/Paris salamander babies.
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.
Though now that you mention this, I mustve had remembered them "cutting off 20 years or so" in a particular episode.
I had completely forgotten about him, thanks for reminding me. You're quite right, one of the better performances in true trek fashion.
Makes think about what the Mirror Suder would be like.
I remember the first time I watched Voyager. After the first episode all I could think was "this is boring, where's Jeri Ryan?" Come to think of it, the second time went something like that too; till season 7 where I then said TRIBBLE this and watched Doctor Who instead.:D
How about an ingame dose of Prozac so you character avoids the bi-polar/schizophrenic nature that was evident week to week in the 'Captain Janeway' character?:eek::D;)
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I liked those episodes very much.
I think people are hard on voyager with little cause honestly. Did some of the scripts focus to much on stupid love sub plots, sure... where some of the characters badly written at times, ah yep. Still even focuses of hate like Nelix had there moments when the writing didn't let them down. (Fair Trade comes to mind.. I feel its also what they should have done with Nelix the entire time, making him a darker character, who's ultimate redemption could have been more profound.)
I think in the end it was the writing that let voyager down. There was a handful of really strong episodes, and some that did touch on some great social commentary. There was also far to many that where just poor... and there where plenty of missed opportunities. Nelix being one of them... he got the reverse Troy done on him. Started off with an interesting and useful premise, turned into a cheerleader characters. Had Nelix been a woman, the complaints would be low. After they blew the promise of a "baltar" type character at least they could have put her in a shorter skirt. lol
For well written Voyager... Latent Image Living Witness Equinox Parts 1 & 2 Blink of an Eye One
and for the comedy value (much better then that chaotica stuff lol) Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy
I also agree that Meld and Basics 1+2 are also right up there.
Trek is always best when it has a message wrapped in solid Sci fi. With all the trek series you can't expect A+ Sci fi writing in every episode. If people are honest with themselves there are just as many terrible DS9 and TNG episodes... even a good handful of TOS are horid.
Although the worst of Voyager was annoying... the best is right up there imo.
Still not as much as Barclay.
And how has it been 20 years? Where the hell did all those years go?? I watch the 90s Trek series and they don't feel that old. TNG started in the 80s and still feels sort of modern.
It's disorienting.